Anybody here have their concealed carry permit?

[Kerpal]

I have my permit, but I purchased a pistol illegally and carried it anyway until I was old enough to apply for the permit. If the county doesn't issue me a personal police officer to be my bodyguard, I'll have to take steps to ensure my own security and I'm going to ignore any laws that specify otherwise. I've been attacked before and I'm not going to let it happen again without a fight. I carry a Rock Island Armory 1911, .45 caliber in an inside waistband holster.

PS - I don't want to get into all the political stuff because it's all been said 100x already, but the people who want to attack other people don't give a **** about the laws and the police usually don't do anything but show up afterward to write down what happened.

 

[Ease]

I don't want to kill anybody, but if it's my life or theirs, I'm going to try and make it theirs. I'm guessing that you've never been the victim of a violent crime. This is typical of anti-gun liberals. A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.

What would you think of? Calling the police and waiting 10 minutes for them to arrive? Would you curl up in a ball and prey? I'd honestly like to know. Oh yeah, women do carry in the states. It's a beautiful thing.

More stereotypical nonsense. You obviously aren't worth the time it took me to type this.

Haha good but you aren't james bond and you dont live in the bronx, people aren't firing shots at you in the street. Are you gona pull a gun on a kid that mugs you? Are you prepared to kill some desperate guy trying to steal your money? Is there really anyone here that has an occupation that genuinely poses them a threat to their life on a day to day basis?

If i was scared of getting mugged i would be in the gym and training boxing to handle myself in an attack. If a drug addict broke into my house i would reach for a big bat. I dont understand where a gun is involved in this, you dont think we have crime in europe?

Its a problem in your society if people think its acceptable to carry a gun. This isn't a political problem of european governments, its more a society evolution race that you guys are lagging behind in.

Except if your black, you dont **** with black guys, everyone knows.

 

[Kerpal]

Are you gona pull a gun on a kid that mugs you? Are you prepared to kill some desperate guy trying to steal your money?

I would, and I have before. I didn't have to shoot because the gun acted as a deterrent. But I was perfectly ready to fire. And it would have been perfectly legal in my state.

I don't care how "desperate" people are, they don't get to steal from me. Anyone that tries to rob someone deserves to be shot to death in my opinion.

If i was scared of getting mugged i would be in the gym and training boxing to handle myself in an attack. If a drug addict broke into my house i would reach for a big bat. I dont understand where a gun is involved in this, you dont think we have crime in europe?

Guns are tools. There's no reason not to use the best tools available for the job. I'd rather draw my concealed handgun and empty a magazine into the chest of a mugger than have to roll around on the ground throwing punches.

Also, unarmed fighting skill isn't going to help much against multiple attackers, armed attackers, etc. This isn't a boxing match, there isn't going to be a referee there to make sure the rules are followed.

European countries are, in general, much more culturally and demographically homogeneous. You have much lower crime rates compared to us and your criminals are much softer. It's not really a valid comparison.

Its a problem in your society if people think its acceptable to carry a gun. This isn't a political problem of european governments, its more a society evolution race that you guys are lagging behind in.

The people who are going to commit crimes are going to carry guns no matter what the laws are. So I'm going to carry mine too. The "cultural" and "societal" comparisons are simply not valid because our countries are so different.

 

[WaterTiger]

The UK has a different mind set: stiff-upper lip, proper manners, and Victorian customs. They've been told over and over that only lowly, dirty criminals have guns so often they believe it. Americans see guns as a tool for sport & protection from those afore mentioned lowly criminals.

This is one of several reasons we had a revolution & kicked their asses back across the pond.

Personally, I'm saving up for a nice SIG Sauer .45. Why am I getting a .45? Because they don't make a .46

 

[Rookie_son]

Except if your black, you dont **** with black guys, everyone knows.

You're starting to s*** me.

I've never been to the United States but the impression I get is that it can be a violent place, especially with guns being legal and it being easy to obtain by criminals (this is an assumption so tell me if im wrong.) So buying a gun to protect yourself is a fair point. It would be better if guns were illegal but enforcing that would be hard, the general population might be willing to do that but im pretty sure the shady/criminal/underground type would not and most of the general population would also come to this conclusion pretty easily so they wouldn't want to give up the right to protect themselves either. To conclude, if I lived in the states, I would have a gun in my house and my car and not to sure myself about the open carry.

 

[user43770]

You're starting to s*** me.

I've never been to the United States but the impression I get is that it can be a violent place, especially with guns being legal and it being easy to obtain by criminals (this is an assumption so tell me if im wrong.) So buying a gun to protect yourself is a fair point. It would be better if guns were illegal but enforcing that would be hard, the general population might be willing to do that but im pretty sure the shady/criminal/underground type would not and most of the general population would also come to this conclusion pretty easily so they wouldn't want to give up the right to protect themselves either. To conclude, if I lived in the states, I would have a gun in my house and my car and not to sure myself about the open carry.

If guns were illegal, law abiding citizens would turn in their guns, but criminals wouldn't. Criminals would still have easy access to illegal guns due to Mexico's vicinity.

 

[Magma]

I did not intend for this to become the debate that it has turned in to. I specifically asked the GUN OWNERS for their thoughts, and should have added the caveat to "not respond if you don't own and/or carry." Always have to add those caveats for the morons.

Carrying a weapon is a MAJOR responsibility. Concealed carry is a lifestyle choice, and I'm not sure that I'm ready for that lifestyle decision yet. That is important to understand. I am not sure that I'm ready to carry concealed. Let me clarify my decision to open carry on occasion. There's not a lot of "urban crime" here in Montana. But our meth problem is off the charts, and has been for quite some time.

I keep my weapon near me while at home at all times. I do this because of the shady addicts that live near me and past experiences. Bear with me. I live in a house that my great-grandparents built 60+ years ago. The property has been in our family ever since. Back then, it used to be surrounded by apple orchards and nursuries. It was a beautiful place. Since that time, adjacent properties were sold and eventually the area became overrun by trailer courts and drug addicts.

I'll be DAM*ED if I'm going to move. We were there first, and I am going to STAY here. However, over the years, I've had more than enough run-ins with the meth heads. The last straw was when a guy was pounding on the front door, bloodied and shirtless, and was a raving lunatic demanding clothes. I was not home at the time, but my brother was.

I've had numerous other incidents of drug addicts walking by the house and looking into my garage (which houses my Harley and thousands of dollars in tools).

Also, meth heads like to hang out at fishing accesses because they're in the woods and out of the way. I am an avid fly fisherman and have had some situations that could've escalated quickly.

After the bloody shirt guy incident, I bought a Springfield XD-40 and haven't looked back. I am looking to buy MORE guns. There are many reasons that I own a gun, a few being:

1) Because I can
2) To protect my life in a dynamic world
3) To protect my loved ones and those around me


Think about it this way:
I don't plan on getting in a car accident. But I wear my seatbelt anyway.


That's my mentality. I hope to God that I never have to use my gun for lethal force.


@At Mr. P -

You bring up a good point. Not only is it a good idea, but it is my DUTY to inform a law enforcement officer that I have a weapon. Again, knowing your duties as an owner is a major responsibility that every gun owner should recognize.

Also, you touch on another good point and it's one of the major rules of guns: Never draw or point your weapon on a target that you are not willing to destroy.


@ Ease,

You are a hater sir.

You know, a bunch of rag tag Americans who wanted their own rights and freedoms beat the tar out of what was (arguably) the world's best army (Maybe aside from Napoleon at the turn of the 19th century, again, arguably). Twice! We all know which army I'm talking about.

You talk about moments of "rage." There is no rage. There are countless hours of training that prepare you to react accordingly to a threat. Rage does not exist. There is situational awareness, tactical scenario training, and trained reflexes that work in chorus with deadly accuracy and speed. Your ignorance on the subject is appalling at best.

Now GTFO of this thread. It doesn't concern you.

 

[Rookie_son]

If guns were illegal, law abiding citizens would turn in their guns, but criminals wouldn't. Criminals would still have easy access to illegal guns due to Mexico's vicinity.

???

did you read what I said mate?

 

[user43770]

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did you read what I said mate?

I had trouble figuring out what you were arguing for, but now that I read it again, I see we agree.

 

[Rookie_son]

I had trouble figuring out what you were arguing for, but now that I read it again, I see we agree.

haha, no worries. you had me confused there

 

[speed dawg]

Magma,

To get back on point and address your issue, I see it this way. I have debated whether or not to conceal carry. I decided against it for several reasons:

1) I keep myself and my family out of sketchy areas. Way I see it, if I do that, plus not participate in crime, I cut my chances of being a victim of violent crime WAAAAAAAY down.

2) I keep a fully loaded automatic 12 gauge at home for protection, where it's legal no matter what. If you break in my house, I WILL kill you. Especially with my family there.

3) I carry that same shotgun, properly encased (as the law reads) in my vehicle just in case my car breaks down and I'm on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere with my family.

As you can see, this all involves my family. I still may get a CC permit. But if the odds are defied and I'm the victim of violent crime before then (in say a parking lot or a drive thru), then I guess it was just the Lord's time for me to go. I don't want to have to go around and be so paranoid that I have to have a gun on me at all times. That's not a world I want to live in.

Keep a gun in my home and in my vehicle. That should bring my chances down less than 0.01%. That's just my opinion on it, however if I had money and unlimited time I'd probably go on and get the permit.

 

[speed dawg]

Except if your black, you dont **** with black guys, everyone knows.

What the fvck? Do you have any clue what you're talking about? So, if I never want to get fvcked with ever again, I should go get a skin color change?

And Americans are the racist ones? Be gone you greasy vaginal secretion.

 

[Mr.Positive]

I keep my weapon near me while at home at all times. I do this because of the shady addicts that live near me and past experiences. Bear with me. I live in a house that my great-grandparents built 60+ years ago. The property has been in our family ever since. Back then, it used to be surrounded by apple orchards and nursuries. It was a beautiful place. Since that time, adjacent properties were sold and eventually the area became overrun by trailer courts and drug addicts.

I'll be DAM*ED if I'm going to move. We were there first, and I am going to STAY here. However, over the years, I've had more than enough run-ins with the meth heads. The last straw was when a guy was pounding on the front door, bloodied and shirtless, and was a raving lunatic demanding clothes. I was not home at the time, but my brother was.

I've had numerous other incidents of drug addicts walking by the house and looking into my garage (which houses my Harley and thousands of dollars in tools).

Also, meth heads like to hang out at fishing accesses because they're in the woods and out of the way. I am an avid fly fisherman and have had some situations that could've escalated quickly..

Hey Magma, I fully understand your concern, and personally, I think you have very valid reasons for concealed carry.

Just a couple of concerns regarding your particular situation with the meth heads. Do they have guns and weapons too?

Or are they just poor, trying to do anything to get the next fix?

The situation could get very sticky if they don't have any weapons, and you do, you have to be very careful about that. Most meth heads are deathly thin, and just unhealthy. You may not need a firearm to handle them...however, that is a dangerous assumption, as we should never under estimate anyone.

These reasons are why I don't bother with carrying concealed. I do keep a big can of "bear spray" in my car though, for undesirables. If it can stop a charging bear 25 feet away, it should be able to handle an angry crackhead.

 

[the_m@n]

Tea & Crumpets

You cannot possibly believe everything you said.

Haha good but you aren't james bond and you dont live in the bronx, people aren't firing shots at you in the street. Are you gona pull a gun on a kid that mugs you? Are you prepared to kill some desperate guy trying to steal your money? Is there really anyone here that has an occupation that genuinely poses them a threat to their life on a day to day basis?

If the Kid or desperate guy is trying to kill me I would in a heart beat.

If i was scared of getting mugged i would be in the gym and training boxing to handle myself in an attack. If a drug addict broke into my house i would reach for a big bat. I dont understand where a gun is involved in this, you dont think we have crime in europe?

How is bashing someone's brains in any better than shooting them? If someone has a weapon, I'd rather not get up close and personal especially if I can keep them at a distance with a gun. If the drug addict has a gun I'm pretty sure no amount of gym training would give you the ability to catch a bullet or alternatively bat it away

Its a problem in your society if people think its acceptable to carry a gun. This isn't a political problem of european governments, its more a society evolution race that you guys are lagging behind in.

You are reminding me why our forefathers fought to get us away from your country

Except if your black, you dont **** with black guys, everyone knows.

 

[Huffman]

Simple enough, in America everybody has easy access to guns, and to protect yourself from this threat you need a gun yourself.

Us Europeans can't understand it because we simply don't have guns. Some guy that attacks you in the street will NOT have a gun. The people with guns are either criminal organisations or amok runners... both of which you almost never encounter, even in the bad neighbourhoods.

I recognize that every street thug and his dog might be armed to the teeth in some US states, so I understand your argument. But is more guns vs more guns, leading to even more guns, really the way? Especially on a political level.

by the way: while you're at it, better buy some of these

 

[user43770]

Simple enough, in America everybody has easy access to guns, and to protect yourself from this threat you need a gun yourself.

Us Europeans can't understand it because we simply don't have guns. Some guy that attacks you in the street will NOT have a gun. The people with guns are either criminal organisations or amok runners... both of which you almost never encounter, even in the bad neighbourhoods.

I recognize that every street thug and his dog might be armed to the teeth in some US states, so I understand your argument. But is more guns vs more guns, leading to even more guns, really the way? Especially on a political level.

by the way: while you're at it, better buy some of these

Making guns illegal in the US wouldn't stop them from entering via Mexico.


Edit - Just found this article.

 

[zerocelcius]

God it's been so long since I have been on here. I didn't think I would ever post anything about guns one here! But I had to check out what Magma was up to and saw this.

I don't want to get to deep because that isn't what the topic was, but here is my two cents. I was in the Army and I was a hell of a shot. I usually qualified with 38 to 39 out of 40. Not bragging it is just something I was naturally good at. The rest of my company was not such a great shot. I had to stay in my position for the most of the day shooting other peoples lanes just so they could qualify. For those that don't know the jargon, I shot other peoples targets so they could pass the range and we could go home.

With that many horrible shooters out there I would not want them to carry a gun, ever! In real life situations you nerves are on edge your eyesight is narrowed, and you have involuntary muscle twitches. Add that to horrible shots and you get a lot of maimed or dead innocent people.

I love the constitution of the US and took an oath to protect it, but I would rather not see most of the people that are horrible shots have a gun ever! If and only if, they took a test and had to prove they could use a weapon under extreme pressure and not shot everything but the bad guy, I could see them carrying a weapon.

 

[Warrior74]

Just curious to see how many gun owners here have a CCW (carry conceal weapon) permit. I'm going to be getting mine as soon as I can nail down a certified training course as per the sheriff office's permit requirements.

My state has an open carry policy. I open carry on occasion, but not all the time. I always have my XD in my car with me. I'd conceal carry all the time if I had my CCW.

Anybody here carry, concealed or otherwise?

I have my license. But I no longer have any handguns. I plan on buying something soon. As for self defense of me and my family, I've pulled my gun to protect us, but as a rule I've never had to point it at someone, just show them that it's there and that has ended my confrontations. If I point it, I've made up my mind to kill you. If I show it, you still have a chance.

To Magma. Move man. Get the hell out of there. A buddy of mine is trying to do that because he takes care of his aging parents and his neighborhood has turned ghetto, but seriously all the drama and BS he puts up with, its just easier to move. (before people cry racist, the other good black people in his neighborhood have just as many problems with the thugs and juvi kids and even they are moving the hell outta there. It's fast becoming one of the worse parts of town).

 

[squirrels]

I'm all for 2nd amendment rights, and I think if more people were trained, and carry conceiled, there would be less crime. The criminals do have the advantage, in the fact that they don't care about the laws.

However, keep in mind, that if you have to draw your firearm, you must be prepared to shoot. A lot of people could not, or should not, put themselves into that type of situation. Don't pull it, unless you are willing to take another life. You could be challenged on that.

A lot of times, it may just be better to not get involved. But, you will have to make that choice if/when you are needed.

Also, carrying concealed comes with it a sense of duty, to others, that is important to understand.

It's a big responsibility, and congrats to taking ownership of that responsibility.

Also, 5string has wise advise, if stopped by the police tell them immediately. They would appreciate that.

This is a good point...there are many people who carry concealed that have NEVER shot their firearm, not even on a range.

If you are going to get a CCW permit you should PRACTICE with your firearm, so you actually have a chance of hitting what you shoot at.

You should also be VERY careful about what situation you choose to draw in...meaning when you can get a clean shot (no innocents around/behind/in front of your target) and especially when you can make SURE that the situation merits it (your life or the life of another innocent is in danger). There was a CCW permit-holder who was nearby during the Arizona shooting recently who damn near drew on the wrong person, if I recall correctly.

They really ought to have INTENSIVE classes for CCW permit-holders to educate them on when to draw, when not to draw, and on the skills and mindset they need to do so safely and effectively.

All that being said...in my home-state, we are "may-issue", but permits are almost never issued. They prefer that only the criminals have the guns.

 

[JustLurk]

Keep a gun in my home and in my vehicle.

Don't cross state lines with that.