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Lol everyone destroyed the OP's sympathy topic with posts about their theories on human behavior.

To the OP:

Yes, I've felt that way before. What you need to realize that there can always be GOOD taken from the WORST of experiences. You can always learn from your past, and this will make you stronger. Right now you are bitter about your relationship, but this will eventually pass with time.

I honestly believe that you can learn SOMETHING from every human being in the world, regardless of age or gender. It's all in your mindset and your perception of your reality :)
 

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ketostix said:
I do see where you are coming from. All this talk about it's all biology, genetics, evolution and nature is one theory. But some people seem to argue that human nature is dark or at least harsh and that somehow is a good thing and will result in better survival. I don't buy that argument. Human nature also has a positive side too. Indulging in bad behavior, poor choices, and short-sidedness doesn't result in positive outcomes.
Business and interpersonal relationships are both adversarial in nature.

This means that at the very core each business owner or each partner in a relationship are ultimately looking out for their own best interest. When push comes to shove, altruism goes out the window in favor of good old fashioned survival.

Just above the dark, unpleasant truth that people are ultimately survival minded creatures lies a thin veil called society.

Society serves to direct and control our collective actions, presumably for the "greater good". This means that although the business owner obviously makes more money by paying his employees less, he knows that often it is not in his best interest to do so. He knows that he COULD run the establishment like a brutal tyrant because he is "the boss", but a smart businessman knows that you get more with honey than you do with vinegar.

In relationships it works the same way. most reasonable people understand that the sum can be greater than the individual parts, so we form bonds with others (alliances with other men to excel in business, status, to provide companionship and protection, etc.) and with women (in order to spread our seeds and ensure that our offspring survive and thrive).

This thin veil serves as a glue to hold society together and ALLOW our genes to be passed to the next generation, should we so choose.

So we have the gravitational pull of nature exerting constant pressure on us to do the things that will facilitate the survival of our species. On top of that we have society which is pushing and pulling us in various directions based upon the agendas of those who seek to implement them.

Long story short- we are motivated by both, but when all is said and done, biology wins. In the short term we are constantly swayed by societal pressures, but in the end nature will seek and find an equilibrium to complete its task of perpetuating itself. It can't be any other way, or our species will cease to exist, and from what I have seen it has so far done a pretty damn good job of thriving.

I don't know where people get the idea that modern society is following nature anyway especially in regards to male/female inter-relations. There's very little with modern society intuned with the natural order.
The simple fact that you are on this site contradicts this theory.

I don't believe women make good choices, or pick their mates on actually having the best genes. I don't think women's behavior can be justified by it all being a grand scheme of nature. If anything, nature would dictate that women shouldn't have choice and would be acquiescing to males' agenda.
That is because we are in one of those short term pendulum swings where things are out of whack between the genders, and it the blame can be placed squarely on the shoulders of SOCIETY.

Why do you think this site and the seduction community have popped up and taken root in the past ten years or so? It is a cultural BACKLASH to the damage that has been caused by feminism gone wrong.

Men are sitting around saying "Hey, wait a minute. Something doesn't seem right. I'm not getting my share of pu$$y. I need to seek answers". They know deep down that they are being cheated in the game, and they are seeking to reclaim a balance, which means getting more pu$$y, which is what? That's right.....trying to get laid is a biological urge that controls the vast majority of what we do as humans.
 

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In regard to OP, I find this kind of social-bio analytic discussion far more beneficial to my state of mind than a sympathy post. It reminds me that we are NOT entitled to the happy outcomes we desire, nor is it nature's intention for all of us to have a beautiful loyal GF/wife whatever catering to our needs. Rather, it is a fierce competition among men for quality women who are fundamentally ruthless in their analysis of which of us makes it and which of us doesn't. And that analysis is not some high-level logical neo-cortical process but instead a low-level, hind-brain, mostly subconscious calculation that reveals itself as ATTRACTION, DESIRE and eventually ROMANTIC LOVE.

Now here's the thing. We have created a society and culture that restricts our base animal desires. We have laws that keep us from killing the guy who pisses us off, stealing our neighbor's property, etc. More powerfully we have accepted norms, such that guilt and shame restrict our desires intrnally, so we would feel bad committing much of these anti-social activities and don't do them. But these social and legal mores are a shifting framework.

Once, it was enough to be a good provider. A good provider would be rewarded with a woman. And due to economic circumstances and social mores the woman would more or less have to behave. Eventually, due to shared life, she would love the guy, even if she never was attracted to him. From the guy's standpoint, it would be good enough. This is how things worked for most of human society.

Recently, given economic circumstances, a good provider is less valued. Women can work and earn their own keep. Food and clothing are cheap. And child care and family protection is state-provided. So the good provider male is not highly valued. Secondly, sex is allowed outside of marriage, b/c society cares much less about bloodlines, and less money and property is passed through bloodlines. Thus bastard children are almost the norm in many parts of America. You add in birth control and condoms and women are free to sample sexually from the entire population with little risk and no shame. Finally, laws have changed to undermine religion and marriage, such that divorce is profitable, and marriage is considered a state institution as opposed to any sort of religious union. The result is that society no longer tames the female sexual desire and so mating and dating is a game of appealing to that base desire as opposed to being the good provider that was held up as ideal as recently as our fathers' generation. That's why you need game.

If you don't have game, you won't get women, but that is not the worst that can happen. The worst that can happen is that you will lose one, and she'll take you to the cleaners. B/c once the woman no longer feels attraction, she is ready to move to the next mate. And the more provisions she can take with her, the more successful her mating will be, b/c she'll have more time to play the field. So things like alimony and child support serve her basic biological instincts to take as much resources from the discarded mate as possible to support the family and lure the next mate.

All of this makes it sound like women are evil. But that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying women are selfish in their desire to reproduce with the best possible mate. Exactly as men are. But "best possible mate" is still something biologically determined. For men, it's the female body shape. For women, it's the male behavior pattern. This is what's in our hind-brain that controls attraction. And lacking any strong societal or cultural pressure, this is waht rules the dating game.
 

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Peace and Quiet

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

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And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

ketostix

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STR8UP said:
Business and interpersonal relationships are both adversarial in nature.

This means that at the very core each business owner or each partner in a relationship are ultimately looking out for their own best interest. When push comes to shove, altruism goes out the window in favor of good old fashioned survival.
Just above the dark, unpleasant truth that people are ultimately survival minded creatures lies a thin veil called society.
But I don't see men really looking out for their own best interest with regard to women. In the big scheme, I don't see many businesses looking out for what's in the best long-term interest of the economy-look at the present economy. Do people have a certain nature and biological urges and tends to revert to it? Sure, but that doesn't mean doing so will always be in their best interest for survival. Many times reason and following a standards of operation are superior to following emotions and urges.

Society serves to direct and control our collective actions, presumably for the "greater good". This means that although the business owner obviously makes more money by paying his employees less, he knows that often it is not in his best interest to do so. He knows that he COULD run the establishment like a brutal tyrant because he is "the boss", but a smart businessman knows that you get more with honey than you do with vinegar.
This is my point though, what a smart and wise person would do. It's easy to give in to one's emotions and urges, but that doesn't mean it will lead you to the best outcome. Most everyone has similar drives, but a smart person can see that following "nature" or drives may not be best route to take.



In relationships it works the same way. most reasonable people understand that the sum can be greater than the individual parts, so we form bonds with others (alliances with other men to excel in business, status, to provide companionship and protection, etc.) and with women (in order to spread our seeds and ensure that our offspring survive and thrive).

This thin veil serves as a glue to hold society together and ALLOW our genes to be passed to the next generation, should we so choose.

So we have the gravitational pull of nature exerting constant pressure on us to do the things that will facilitate the survival of our species. On top of that we have society which is pushing and pulling us in various directions based upon the agendas of those who seek to implement them.

Long story short- we are motivated by both, but when all is said and done, biology wins. In the short term we are constantly swayed by societal pressures, but in the end nature will seek and find an equilibrium to complete its task of perpetuating itself. It can't be any other way, or our species will cease to exist, and from what I have seen it has so far done a pretty damn good job of thriving.
My point was that nature doesn't intend for women to have as much influence and power as they have now. It's females nature to try to usurp total control even to their own detriment. Society can trump the natural order of things. It goes back to that survival argument. Males have largely thrown away what was self-evident (that women act like children) in the process of trying to survive within society's agenda. This society isn't thriving as well as it could and has in the past.




That is because we are in one of those short term pendulum swings where things are out of whack between the genders, and it the blame can be placed squarely on the shoulders of SOCIETY.
Right but my argument is that the reason society is out of whack is because it's not following the natural order.


Why do you think this site and the seduction community have popped up and taken root in the past ten years or so? It is a cultural BACKLASH to the damage that has been caused by feminism gone wrong.
Well, it's evidence that it's apparent that society is out of order. Many men know it's off kilter. The question is what do you do about it and how can you fix the situation. I proposed there be certain standards. I don't believe following urges and emotions will do it. That's largely women's realm and it's how they keep men over a barrel.


Men are sitting around saying "Hey, wait a minute. Something doesn't seem right. I'm not getting my share of pu$$y. I need to seek answers". They know deep down that they are being cheated in the game, and they are seeking to reclaim a balance, which means getting more pu$$y, which is what? That's right.....trying to get laid is a biological urge that controls the vast majority of what we do as humans.
Yeah but it's not just about getting pvssy. Some of us are getting that as it is and it's more than being about biological urges. It's about a lot of things: women's behavior, male rights and power, an un-even and unfair rules women get to play by, and about what's natural, right and fair in general.

I mean I partially agree with you in regards to what motivates people, but I don't see following biological urges as the infallible scheme of nature. Reasoning is part of human nature too. Reasoning may not be infallible either, but the main thing is nurture/enviroment plays a big part and I don't see society following the natural order of things. I see it as a mostly an unnatural artificial construct currently largely trumping the natural order.
 

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thedeparted said:
All of this makes it sound like women are evil. But that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying women are selfish in their desire to reproduce with the best possible mate. Exactly as men are. But "best possible mate" is still something biologically determined. For men, it's the female body shape. For women, it's the male behavior pattern. This is what's in our hind-brain that controls attraction. And lacking any strong societal or cultural pressure, this is waht rules the dating game.
The bolded part is where the stickler lies. There's all kinds of societal and cultural pressures now, many of them that you listed, that are influencing women's choices and behavior in the dating game. For example, with women being so economically dependent, if that's not the natural order, then I'm not sure that it would lead them to be more likely to choose "the best possible mate". That's what you seem to be suggesting. I'm not so sure that women have that much natural ability at picking the best possible mate. Other than that I agree with most of your analysis.
 
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