Any personal trainers in here?

[KarmaSutra]

He started a few weeks ago when he admitted he was wrong in this thread (post 21 and 43)

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132418&page=2
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132418&page=3

Now if only he can make some progress on this board (crosses fingers)

Spes, D&B and I have buried our bullsh!t. Let it die.

 

[spesmilitis]

Spes, D&B and I have buried our bullsh!t. Let it die.

lol, ok.

. . . .

Well, you did kinda dug up yours bullsh1t at post#6 of this thread.

 

[Throttle]

I lost 30+ lbs of fat eating a pound of beef (80/20) and 6-8 eggs a day.

+ 1

 

[mrRuckus]

+ 1

oh and i put on that fat by not doing cardio and eating a lot of oatmeal.

 

[Omen]

you don't need any, most don't have any. he came to you because you "fit the image" -- which is what pt'ing is all about, from a gym manager's perspective.

And a sad thing this is. Depending on your gym, you'll have people who know jack shiat about this stuff. They take a 2 week course and call themselves PT.

Can you do it? Sure, you can, until you kill someone, or do something really stupid. Some gyms wont want that liability, some dont give a crap.

The biggest thing is that if I was to apply for a job, and you, I would not only have experience, I would have a degree as well. And if you want to do anything worth while in this field, without at least a degree, you wont get very far.

Some even require ACSM, NSCA or CSCS. Again, if you want to make the bucks, a 4yr degree is required. No one will hire you otherwise. Local gym, YMCA... Yeah, but a high class place, not a chance.

Baylor Tom Landry- Wont get a job
Cooper Institute- Wont get a job
Any place dedicated to athletes- Not gonna happen
Any sports team- Same as the above

And this is what sucks. People get a CPT or take a 2 week class and think they are certified, and know what's going on. I can say though it is getting tougher, and some places wont settle for junk anymore.

Personal opinion, is that if you dont know what you are doing, forget it. And this isn't against you, but people who hire people that have no business training. A PAR-Q what is that? How do I do Blood Pressure, or skin fold, or what is BMI, or what is concentric and eccentric or extension and flexion.

Basic kid stuff if you have a 4yr degree, but that's the difference between someone like me versus someone like you.

I can tell you what V02 is. I can talk to you about ATP or Glycolysis. I can tell you what the Valsalva Maneuver is.

So you get my point?

If you really want to learn, and not be the guy who just trains to train cause he has lifted, do it the right way.

Some places will take anyone who says... Dude, I know how to lift weights. Dude, I know how to drive a car, but does it mean i'm a race car driver or have any business doing it? Hell No!

 

[Drum&Bass]

excellent post Omen

 

[Quagmire911]

I can tell you what V02 is. I can talk to you about ATP or Glycolysis. I can tell you what the Valsalva Maneuver is.

I know what that s*** is and I haven't done anything in regards to a qualification regarding personal training.

And I don't think Iron Addict has a degree but he is one of the best, so that statement was to general.

This s*** isn't complicated, you make it sound like being a neurologist or something.

Quagmire

 

[Omen]

I know what that s*** is and I haven't done anything in regards to a qualification regarding personal training.

And I don't think Iron Addict has a degree but he is one of the best, so that statement was to general.

This s*** isn't complicated, you make it sound like being a neurologist or something.

Quagmire

Not complicated? Not even close. There is a lot more to it than lifting a dumbbell, and going through motions in the gym.

Exercise Physiology the right way, IS COMPLICATED. Its a science. Just cause you read the definition of something doesn't mean you know it, or can apply it.

Yeah, I know what calipers are. But can you use them? Do you know the sites for men and women?

Seriously, do you think professional athletes, or world class athletes are going to have someone who doesn't think of it like brain surgery have a person around? Truth be told it is. You are dealing with the body here, and figuring out many things to gain that edge. Even weather, and body temperature play a key role.

If people dont think its complicated, they obviously dont know what is going on.

And if you haven't done anything in regards to a 4yr degree or more in this field, that's why you dont think its complicated.

 

[shaunuk]

Quag, mate, I think you might need to curb your attitude a bit sometimes, lol. What's your point exactly? All he's saying is, everyone and his dog seems to come in with a few years lifting experience and thinks they're therefore qualified to be a trainer.

IA doesn't even come into this, no one was saying he's unqualified, he's different...he's trained for many years..

shaun

 

[Omen]

And that's the thing. You'll have your guys who train people at the YMCA and that is all they will even do. You know what, who gives a rats ass. They aren't world class athletes. But I can tell you, that the guy training in the gym wont be training that athlete.

So great, you know V02. I'll give you credit, but so do cyclists. My point is, if I was to tell a cyclist that at their weight of 150lbs, they consumed 2.4L of O2/min for 15min, how much O2 did you consume in ml/kg/min? And dont forget you need to do some conversions above before you get your answer.

What? I have no idea what you are talking about. MY POINT EXACTLY.

This is what I am getting at. You aren't going to get very far if you think its just plain and simple. No one will hire you.

 

[Warboss Alex]

What's your point exactly? All he's saying is, everyone and his dog seems to come in with a few years lifting experience and thinks they're therefore qualified to be a trainer.

yup, and there's plenty of certified personal trainers who can't squat 315 for 20.

 

[Omen]

yup, and there's plenty of certified personal trainers who can't squat 315 for 20.

And there are a few high school kids who can squat 315 for 20, but that doesn't make them anymore qualified than my dog to be REAL trainers, or exercise physiologists

 

[Quagmire911]

The point I was making was that in my experience, the whole putting muscle/strength on thing isn't that difficult.

Sure you can fine tune it all and apply advanced principles to training/diet etc, but for the majority of guys it just isn't necessary.

I do agree however that the two week PT'ing courses are complete ****, in the UK at least.

Quagmire

Ps-And getting into the whole "I have a degree, 4 years of university etcetc" can mean little. For example, my brothers friend who is a diabetic was told by a dietitian that to put on weight he should boatload carbs, doesn't even mention training. That is just plainly wrong.

 

[Warboss Alex]

And there are a few high school kids who can squat 315 for 20, but that doesn't make them anymore qualified than my dog to be REAL trainers, or exercise physiologists

of course not - but if my goal is to squat 315 for 20, am I going to listen to a trainer who can't do that? I haven't told anyone on this board to do something I haven't already done, and I would expect the same from anyone I took advice from.

don't get me wrong, some personal trainers look great, are strong, educated, qualified etc - but for everyone one great trainer who I'd take advice from, there are 10 who'd blow smoke up my ass and try to get me big out of a book.

ps - I can't see very many highschool kids doing 315 for 20 deep reps..

 

[Warboss Alex]

The point I was making was that in my experience, the whole putting muscle/strength on thing isn't that difficult.

no, it's VERY difficult - but it's very simple.

 

[Quagmire911]

no, it's VERY difficult - but it's very simple.

Simple yes, but I suppose in terms of perseverance etc it is horribly difficult.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Simple yes, but I suppose in terms of perseverance etc it is horribly difficult.

weightlifting is not a complicated subject although some would like to make it so.

the 'stereotypical' huge bber type guy is a stupid meathead.. there's a reason for that.

 

[Quagmire911]

weightlifting is not a complicated subject although some would like to make it so.

This is the point I was making.

Who needs to know about ATP, glycolysis, the krebs cycle, whatever...

You could know all that **** and be measuring the precise angle you were going to curl the dumbbell to with a protractor and it still wouldn't get you anywhere.

Quagmire

 

[Omen]

weightlifting is not a complicated subject although some would like to make it so.

the 'stereotypical' huge bber type guy is a stupid meathead.. there's a reason for that.

As far as learning how to lift weights and do some exercises, its like learning how to drive. You practice. In fact you can teach a 2yr old how to curl a dumbbell. Not complicated.

The part that is however, is how it is all done, and initiated, from start to finish. Again I am looking at this in a science point of view. A 2yr old or most for that matter will NOT be able to tell you how that just happened. Dude, I just moved my arm up and down. True, and your car just moved cause you put your foot on the pedal, but there is more to it than that.

So yeah, learning to lift is pretty simple.

 

[Omen]

This is the point I was making.

Who needs to know about ATP, glycolysis, the krebs cycle, whatever...

You could know all that **** and be measuring the precise angle you were going to curl the dumbbell to with a protractor and it still wouldn't get you anywhere.

Quagmire

I'm relating what I am talking about to human performance as a whole. I'm not talking about just curling a dumbbell. Truth be told, if what I talked about wasn't happening, you wouldn't even be lifting that weight period. That's my point. If you didn't have that stuff initiated, you would have NO CONTRACTION, therefore you wouldn't be moving that weight an inch.