Any DJ with Female "Friend"?

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Demon said:
Harsh. :rock:
But accurate.

You will be surprised all the things my female FRIENDS share with me. I mean...I sit there...listen. And I can actually see the correlation between "girlfriend" that Rollo makes in here. Thank goodness most are near my work enviornment...so, I have to deal with that ONLY during those periods of time (I also try to keep a distance as I rather have my time with WOMEN well served - wink).

The thing is...I use this stuff more as a "research" as to understand women behavior. I know I'm not going to phuck my female friends. And I know all I can do is be their friend (within reason). But it is entertaining and it gives me an idea of the drama women live.

Another thing...it makes me realize how much time many men waste by trying to be a "friend" (with hidden agendas). Because, like Rollo stated you...you literally become their girlfriend.
 

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joekerr31 said:
oh, last point. 90% of the guys i knew who were drawn to having female "friends" in highschool and university are now either gay or have careers that are going nowhere.
LOL...very very true. Funny thing is that in my case, NOW I'm very good with women as I know how to listen and all that crap.

But in High School? They "hated" me or "loved" me too much. I don't remember having female friends other than the ones I was doing. But I do remember most of the males that were surrounded by female friends (no sex...just friendship), ending up exactly how you describe it! LOL.
 

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Freddy1 said:
Yeah I have a number of female friends. Certain atractive female friends I wouldnt nail them because they are too useful too me. They are very good at helping read the intentions of other women and decipher "woman-ese". They infact help me get other women. So thats one resource I wouldnt give up or put at risk. Whne you show up in a club with women friend's other women take notice. You have already been socially approved by your women friends so other women feel safe with you and know your not creepy.
This is actually a very good point. The few I truly consider friend have warned me about some women (including my current girlfriend). And with time, they turned out to be CORRECT!

They don't tell me how to pick women as we are much better than women with that. However, women are very good at reading other women intentions and manipulative games.
 

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Write this in your notebook in big red letters - Men and Women cannot be friends. Repeat this to yourself over and over. Now you're going to ask me why so I'll spell this out in the short version here: You will never be 'friends' because men and women have to resolve the issue of intimacy before any relationship can develop. Virtually any girl that you are attracted to (which is 90% of them) cannot be your friend because you can't satisfactorily resolve intimacy with her unless she's willing to do the same. Understand? When I met Mrs. Tomassi (and a lot of other potential Mrs. Tomassi's) I didn't pretend to 'be her friend'. She knew what I wanted and the feeling was mutual. After we were intimate, then we developed a freindship and found out we were very compatible.

Don't brainwash yourself into thinking you're different in some effort to prove how sensitive you are and what a great shoulder yours is to cry on or to avoid being labeled as 'shallow.' This is how guy's work. And how do I know? Because I went the same route too. You only end up perpetually on her 'friend' ladder and turn into her emotional sponge or worse still, her cuddle b!tch. You're wasting time either way. Remember it's sex first and then friendship.

Now before I get all the inevitable, "not in my case" exception stories let me just state first that the exception proves the rule. The fact of the matter is this IS how most (99.8%) of men in western society operate, on just this level. This is especially true for those who most readily deny that they do, since this is a popular tactic that men (mistakenly) think will set them apart from the herd. A man's primary physical and psychological desire is to have sex with as many physically eligible females as possible, it's a biological imperative. Pornography isn't a multi-trillion dollar a year, world-wide business because guys all want to establish 'friendships' before intimacy. The swimsuit issue of Sports Illustrated isn't the single highest selling issue of the magazine yearly because of the great sports articles in between the nubile females. The point is men (and women) don't look at each other and cognitively say "She/He would certainly make a good friend, maybe we should 'date'", it comes down to physical response and attraction. You wouldn't initiate a friendship with a girl you weren't attracted to in the first place. This sets up intimacy resolution agendas between the sexes.

Here's some better scenarios to think about:

SCENARIO 1
Let's assume you have a female 'friend' and you actually do things together as 'friends' besides listen to her whine about her crappy boyfriend or how lousy her childhood was on the phone all the time. She's very attractive (why else would she be your 'friend'), but you're just 'good buds'. One evening she invites you over to her house after a movie or whatever it is platonic male/female friends do. You both get to talking on the couch when she gets up to go to the bathroom. 5 minutes later she comes back to the couch completely naked and says, "I've always thought you were attractive, I think it's time we got closer."

Do you A.) say "Oh, I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want to destroy our wonderful 'friendship' by getting physical with you." or B.) ride her to glory and do what any guy with the slightest amount of testosterone in his bloodstream would do? The point being of course that when presented with exactly what a guy wants, all notion of 'friendship' blows out the window.

SCENARIO 2
You've got a girlfriend/wife who subscribes to the 'friends' idea. And you, wanting to be as progressive and supportive as possible so as not to offend her sensibilities (and keep getting laid regularly by her) make no debate about it. She has a male co-worker and former college bud who she considers a 'great friend' and regularly has lunch with the guy. To complicate matters more, he's single, goodlooking, dresses well and makes twice the money you do. But she insists, he's 'just a friend' and you should be mature enough to handle their 'friendship', because she is your girlfriend/wife afterall. Now, how would you feel if her 'friend' asked her to go dancing one night as 'friends'. How about a movie? Friends do that, right? Or maybe she just wants to meet her 'friend' for drinks after work to talk on a Friday. How would you feel if she and her 'friend' had to go out of town for a business convention for the weekend? Would that be different? I'm picking on the woman, but you could just as easily reverse the genders here. You should be supportive, since you of course believe that men and women can have perfectly legitimate platonic friendships, right?

Men and women can never be friends in the same sense that you're friends with your male friends. Before you go post the standard answer of "not me, I'm great friends with *fill in her name*" think about it this way - how many girls you call 'friends' were formerly someone you wanted to get with and rather than give you a respectful rejection she simply said " you're really sweet, but can't we just be 'friends'?" Most likely you gave her the standard reply of, "oh sure, I understand, we can be friends." Its the LJBF rejection coping method - she's simply not attracted to you and doesn't want to be perceived as a cruel so she let's you down easy with a 'friends' back out. To which you comply and begin this sharade of 'friendship'.

Now, how long do you think you'll be 'friends' with this girl? Do you think she'll be a great 'friend' once she has a real boyfriend (or husband)? Do you honestly think the new boyfriend will be cool with you palin' around with his sexual interest? What do you do with your female 'friend'? Do you do the things you'd do with your other (male) friends? Does she do the things you'd do with your male friends? Do you go to movies or concerts together? Is she basically a girlfriend, but you just don't kiss or have sex? Does she do the same things with you that she does with her girlfriends? Do you go over to her house and paint your toenails together and talk about boys she's hot for? Or do you just spend endless hours on the phone with her listening to her drone on and on about her personal problems while thinking that if you listen long enough she'll realize what a great guy she's missing?

You can answer these questions for yourself if you want, some are rhetorical and some are not. The point is that there is always sexual tension between men and women until the intimacy issue is resolved. You can be 'friends' with the overweight girl in the back of the class, but you will tend to initiate friendships with people who you are attracted to. However, don't confuse 'friends' with aquaintances or just being friendly with people. I have several female co-workers that I consider friends. However, I don't call them just to chat outside of work, nor do I make it a point to go see movies or whatever with them outside of work. My relationship with my wife dictates that she is my female interest and I would be more than a little concerned if she was trying to sell me on a 'friendship' she had with another guy on a regular basis. The fundiments of a male/female relationship rely on the 2 people being involved with each other in exclusivity. If you've got a girlfriend and you're spending regular amounts of time with another female 'friend' (or vice versa with your girlfriend and a guyfriend) you can expect some conflict either with the 'friend' or the sexual interest.
 

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Great post Rollo T.

What I find fascinating in this male female friend relationship.
There is always something going on.

100% all encounters with male and female just friends there is evidence of attraction between one party if not both.
Never have I witnessed a none attraction friend between male and female, never.

I wish I had but even friends who swear they are just friends, after you see them interacting with there female buddie the signs are clear to see for a few people.

Even if two friends of opposite sex become totally unattractive to each other and a friendship builds, usually the man thinks ‘wow this girl is great, she would make a perfect xxx’ this happens all too often.

Or the women as a secret agenda which equals no sex but an emotional tampon squeeze which I see all to often.

Is it possible to be just friends, I think it is, but since 99% of the situation there is something else going on anyway, the realm of just friends is something only a fool would be blind to see.
Should I rephrase only the blind can be just friends, ignorance is bliss in the male and female friendship world.
As soon as a player or a guy with a clue enters the scene the world is projected in a totally different realm.

Is it worth getting jelous over?
Not when you appreciate most men are naive and most women are simply smarter and use these sad saps to qualify what ever need they need filling.
The boundry is then open to what is acceptable, a simple flirt or an acceptance of ignorance and let it ride itself out (usually when the SAP comes out with ‘I want more then friends’) so from a BF point of view dealing with Male friends, let it simply ride, or if she is seeking attention with guys who blatantly show high lvls of interest only a total moron could not see, then I would dump her.

Ignorance is the best friend of the male and female partnership, in all my interactions there have been 100% extras going on.
Even the strongest male and female bonds I have witnessed some things to simply confirm men and women can’t be friends unless they are fundamentally blind or liars, or they are the very very small minority.

Ofc there are acquaintances as put, but that is a totally different subject.

From my experience more then average it is the men who have a secret agenda, or if the women is suddenly having male friends or a male friend around, you better start thinking there is another agenda on the scene.

Never ever met a guy who did not have a secret agenda, but it takes some work to get out the truth. It usually surfaces when the female friends interacts with another male friend they are not aware of, or they find a BF.


I will never accept women and men can become mates since, in my life time experience and my knowledge i have witnessed nothing but the opposite!
 

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In my culture (Latino)...it is very common to have friends of both sex. We say hi to each other via a kiss on our cheeks. That's very common in our Caribbean culture.

That said...in the U.S. and for that matter other Western cultures (such as European)...I agree 100% that it is virtually impossible to have the Men and Women are friends.

In fact, I have preached that for years.
 
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