"Anti-Slut Defense", curious to hear it from the woman's perspective

[edger]

I've been dwelling on the "Anti-Slut Defense" theory lately. The arguments against it make sense and so do the arguments that support it. I can see it from both perspectives. But I'd like to hear more about it straight from the horses mouth, from the perspective of a woman. I call on every single woman that dwells on this board to speak up about it. I don't normally ask women their perspective on men/women relations, but I believe this is a safe enough question, that I hope will prompt an honest, unskewed answer. I'll take it with a grain of salt. Let's begin....

 

[iqqi]

I think easy college aged chicks and grown women with college chick mentality use ASD. They tend to be easy, and plan/want to sleep with you, but aren't strong enough either in their convictions as to WHY it doesn't feel right, OR they aren't strong enough to say no.

The second one is nothing for a man to be proud of.

The first one, could go either way. It could be a chick that really doesn't feel good about the decision, but isn't sure why yet, or it could be a chick who really wants to, but hasn't figured out its OK, as long as SHE is ok with the idea of being promiscuous or sexually free.

Mature women really mean it when they say they aren't ready to get so intimate. For various reasons.

Either way, I say if a woman throws ASD at you, don't pursue it. A healthy sexual woman won't throw ASD at you.

Most of the MEN I have ever been with, (as opposed to dumb@sses), have always made sure I was ok with where things were proceeding, and wanted to be SURE I wanted it, and I have never said "no, lets wait longer", lol.

 

[MatureDJ]

What is wrong with ASD?

Has anyone ever pondered that ASD is a good thing? That it's something that keeps women from becoming single mommies. Yes, I know that birth control helps to alleviate it (although accidents DO still happen), but millions of years of evolution should not be denigrated.

 

[edger]

I think easy college aged chicks and grown women with college chick mentality use ASD. They tend to be easy, and plan/want to sleep with you, but aren't strong enough either in their convictions as to WHY it doesn't feel right, OR they aren't strong enough to say no.

The second one is nothing for a man to be proud of.

The first one, could go either way. It could be a chick that really doesn't feel good about the decision, but isn't sure why yet, or it could be a chick who really wants to, but hasn't figured out its OK, as long as SHE is ok with the idea of being promiscuous or sexually free.

? You lost me. You say, "I think easy college aged chicks and grown women with college chick mentality use ASD". Then say directly following that, "They tend to be easy, and plan/want to sleep with you, but aren't strong enough either in their convictions as to WHY it doesn't feel right, OR they aren't strong enough to say no.

 

[edger]

With all the women on here(Penkitten, LovelyLady, and others), only Iqqi's gonna take a stab at this?

 

[edger]

And Iqqi, I also wanted you to relay if Anti-Slut Defense is true for YOU.

 

[iqqi]

I don't get what you don't get.

I spelled it out pretty well I thought, and even got pyschological on you.

 

[Latinoman]

This thread is a clear indication why a 28-year-old man (edger) that lives in New York City (a town which statistics has shown that single-available-women FAR outnumber single-available-men) can ONLY get laid with prostitutes or old women.

And a clear indication of why 80% of Iqqi's posts are worthless.

 

[DJCT]

This thread is a clear indication why a 28-year-old man (edger) that lives in New York City (a town which statistics has shown that single-available-women FAR outnumber single-available-men) can ONLY get laid with prostitutes or old women.

And a clear indication of why 80% of Iqqi's posts are worthless.

LATINOMAN!! Haven't seen much of you around here lately. Good to see you posting brother.

 

[Latinoman]

LATINOMAN!! Haven't seen much of you around here lately. Good to see you posting brother.

Thanks man.

I was travelling for work (and also spent some days with my girl)...and when I came back, there were around 15-20 "unread" threads. I typically answer most of them which is what I have done in the past...but with the new 10-post-per-day rule, I have become sort of gun shy. To the point that the other day, I only posted once. That is like "once" in 1 or 1 1/2 weeks.

But I am around.

 

[edger]

This thread is a clear indication why a 28-year-old man (edger) that lives in New York City (a town which statistics has shown that single-available-women FAR outnumber single-available-men) can ONLY get laid with prostitutes or old women.

And a clear indication of why 80% of Iqqi's posts are worthless.

Hey hey, it's guru Latinoman! What's up brother, haven't heard from ya in a while. Doing ok? How ya feelin'? I need some good insight here, you came just in the nick of time. Question is, what does the topic of my thread have to do with me and getting laid?

And my other question is where do you recall me saying I do "good" with older women? Either you just wanna ruffle some feathers, or you're really challenged(because I'm pretty sure I've told ya more than 5 times it's been equally as difficult snagging older babes. But if you're a little challenged, it's alright, I understand..I extend my sympathy). Anyhow, I chose to respond to something that I'd otherwise ignore, because I don't want anyone that doesn't know much about me, reading something that isn't true, so I'm forced to come to my defense. If you really knew as much as you claim to know about women, then you'd know that older women are JUST AS difficult to pull as young chix are. Plus, I'm not the only guy on here who has said that. Take my word for it from a good-looking guy with game better than most guy's, guru.

Honestly man, and I'm not saying this to be "catty" because you've been catty with me, or to get back at you, etc..but again, to be perfectly honest with you: you are quite a joke. Quite a DJ alright. You claim to have pulled lots of tail, brag endlessly, but I honestly don't see how you could've pulled it being a DJ, because I've read some of your posts/advice, and it sucked.

Good day.:moon:

 

[lookyoung]

For the most part woman that have a high interest level in you, I have found will not put up ASD. My x GF who I was with for 4 years did give me some ASD, but most of the girls I banged gave me no ASD.(Meaning not fvcking them within 3 dates). I would say the majority will give you no resistance if they really like you. If they have a moderate interest level you are more likely to get ASD.

 

[Bible_Belt]

ASD.(Meaning not fvcking them within 3 dates)

I would define ASD as that which keeps me from fvcking on the first date instead of the second or third. I tend to be in relationships, and have not gone on hundreds of dates, but I expect a girl to fvck on the first date, as brash as that sounds. Most of the time, I get my way. Sometimes there are tears of guilt afterward, but I am a pretty persuasive guy and good at maneuvering around the first and second date ASD. Basically, what a girl says means absolutely nothing. Obviously, I am not saying to rape the girl, but several times I have had a girl on a first date tell me over and over that she is not having sex with me...and then eventually have sex with me. Like sales trainers say about prospect objections - acknowledge and ignore. "ok, you can come inside, but I am not having sex with you," actually means, "ok, you can come inside." I just say 'ok' and move on, not worrying about it. Girls just say stuff like that to make them feel better afterward.

I think, in our modern world, we get a little too hung up on "no means no" and if you do not take everything exactly at the girl's world, then you are a rapist. That is needless paranoia. A girl telling me "no sex" ten times out of the blue, and then later saying, "ok, I want you. There's a condom in the top drawer, go put it on," and then eagerly having sex with me is not rape. Too many guys are scared to touch a girl after they walk into her apartment and she says, "I am not having sex on the first date." Her changing her mind later is not rape. All guys have to do is acknowledge ASD with a simple "ok" and then ignore it like a good salesman, continuing on with the process of making the prospect decide to say 'yes.'

 

[thedeparted]

I wonder why the sky is blue. What if it were yellow? Would women still like sunsets?

I wonder why mountains are high and valleys are low. What if it were the other way around? Would men climb valleys?

I wonder why there are 24 hours in a day. What if there were 25? Would there *really* be more time to do things? Or would there actually be *less* time b/c each hour would be shorter?

The only thing I know for sure is that philosophers don't get any pu**y at all.

P.S. I wonder why...

 

[Colossus]

Edger, I dont really think it needs much explaining. Most women will go to great lengths to avoid being viewed as a slvt. It's not so much that they dont physically want to have sex from the get-go, but they are acutely aware of the implications. They know that men are much less likely to treat them with any measurable respect after they opened their legs to someone they just met.

There are some pretty simple psycho-social and biological elements to it, which have been discussed here ad nauseum.

 

[DJDamage]

It mostly probably comes down to a woman's overall attraction to a particular man. The more she is attracted to the man the higher the probablity she would sleep with him sooner rather then later.

Do you think most women who encounter a famous celebrity they find attractive, will give them ASD?

Not bloody likely.

 

[Paradox]

I think easy college aged chicks and grown women with college chick mentality use ASD. They tend to be easy, and plan/want to sleep with you, but aren't strong enough either in their convictions as to WHY it doesn't feel right, OR they aren't strong enough to say no.

The second one is nothing for a man to be proud of.

The first one, could go either way. It could be a chick that really doesn't feel good about the decision, but isn't sure why yet, or it could be a chick who really wants to, but hasn't figured out its OK, as long as SHE is ok with the idea of being promiscuous or sexually free.

Mature women really mean it when they say they aren't ready to get so intimate. For various reasons.

Either way, I say if a woman throws ASD at you, don't pursue it. A healthy sexual woman won't throw ASD at you.

Most of the MEN I have ever been with, (as opposed to dumb@sses), have always made sure I was ok with where things were proceeding, and wanted to be SURE I wanted it, and I have never said "no, lets wait longer", lol.

Probably one of your best posts. Great insight. Great replies from everyone. Really!

 

[Vulpine]

Either way, I say if a woman throws ASD at you, don't pursue it. A healthy sexual woman won't throw ASD at you.

I agree, excellent post!

This is very appropriate for the Mature Man forum. Yes, there are "overcoming ASD" topics, but, the obvious question is "why would you?" Do you need a piece of tail? Or, are you selecting a partner?

Looking back, I rarely have ever encountered ASD. And, those that balked turned out to be psycho nutjobs when I did ultimately overcome the ASD. So, I must say, there certainly seems to be a lot of merit to what iqqi is saying.

 

[Tazman]

I don't normally ask women their perspective on men/women relations, but I believe this is a safe enough question, that I hope will prompt an honest, unskewed answer.

lol, why would you think that? Not that they don't exist, but from the women who post here? Think about why they are even here to begin with, at least the regulars...

It's a manipulative tactic, especially if she wants to do more but purposefully tries to make you wait. The only other side to it is she honestly doesn't like you or you're moving in too fast, as in, you might not be mentally stable kind of fast.

 

[edger]

lol, why would you think that? Not that they don't exist, but from the women who post here? Think about why they are even here to begin with, at least the regulars...

I'm actually not suprised that only one woman responded to this thread. Makes ya wonder if it's because they don't wanna admit the truth(have a hidden agenda), or actually have the decency to not wanna be deceptive with an ingenuine response.

See how they ALL stick together guys? This is what WE MEN need to start doing!