I feel as if I'm beginning to talk in another language on the forum. Why do some people understand Anti-Dump's Machine so easily while others cannot grasp it?
Trickynick
There is a reason why I am posting all of this under the THEME of Anti-Dump's Machine. Lately, when I read back over his old posts, a very central theme struck out at me (this 'machine' theme). That is why the thread is what it is.
This is NOT a collection of Anti-Dump quotes. If it were, you would be seeing twice the amount of quotes.
These are all elements of the 'MACHINE' theme he kept driving. This thread, for example, is part FOUR of this theme. All the parts work together. They are not scattered quotes.
In the first post, I tried to illustrate what the Machine is about.
It is not trying to create interest in the girl. It is the opposite, it is weeding out DISINTEREST.
It is not about getting laid or getting a date.
It is entirely to get an interested chick. Interested does not mean a girl who will date/sleep/marry you. If you understand those two sentences, you will get what the machine is trying to do.
These posts are not to work alone. They are to work together. They are all parts of the 'machine'.
Yeah, and that's what I have been pointing out for quite some time as a major cause of misconception and damage to people's game.
Already, this tells you are missing the point of Anti-Dump's Machine. The entire idea of 'game' is to pick up chicks.
'Game' does not create successful marriages.
'Game' does not produce a woman who truly loves you.
'Game' can get you laid and can give you fun. But as you grow up, you begin to realize how limited game is for focusing on the
whole of your life.
Anti-Dump's mentality (in my interpretation) is simply to not waste any time with any girl who doesn't throw herself at you no-holds-barred with no effort from you in the interaction.
Asking for a date is not a holds barred interest.
Anti-Dump's Machine goes well beyond the iniitial encounter. Most people here AGONIZE about the initiial encounter, checking for her interest, etc. etc. etc.
The Machine is to focus on the first couple of months. A date is not some glorious event. It is a fun simple event where you are still gauging her.
Get out of the 'game' mindset. Look at it a bit more longterm, you are using TIME to your advantage.
Interested girls are consistant.
Now, how does a girl throwing herself at you fit in with any of the posts I've put out?
By using this Machine, you will weed out any girl who does that either for 'kicks' or whatever.
You see, Trickynick, interested women are consistant. They will keep going out with you and keep following your ideas.
Anti-Dump does not know WHY interested girls do this. He doesn't try to explain WHY women do what they do, only that they do it.
I believe now one of the major features of male to female interactions is the male creating and building a world and drawing women into it. This is not in the Juggler sense but something quite else.
I can tell you the difference between those that do and do not get it. For example, DeAngelo gets it. DeAngelo is actually doing Anti-Dump's Machine in his book.
But everyone looks at DeAngelo's work and go, "Tell us how to get chicks interested" and they end up with ****y/funny.
But if you read closer, you will find that the entire ****y/funny is actually an entire break from the usual focus on getting her interest. (DeAngelo himself goes CONTRARY to rapport.) DeAngelo uses these exact words:
But my most important realization is that THIS IS MY REALITY, AND SHE IS A GUEST. Not the other way around.
You are creating a world and drawing her into it.
This tells them that their little ploys aren’t going to even get by my radar – never mind into my reality. I never get upset at them or let them get to me emotionally (this is key, because if they sense that they’ve found a button, they’ll use it over and over again). As my friend Eric once said “YOU’RE IN MY REALITY NOW.”
This is why DeAngelo never goes and checks to see if she is 'interested'. If she is friendly, that is enough. If she keeps going out with him and does (this is key here) what HE wants to do, that is enough.
This is the entire spirit of Anti-Dump's Machine. This is why you guys are so confused about it. You keep thinking that interest is some 'connection' that you can grow stronger by something you do.
But I realized that women don't look at guys the same we look at women. They see an entire guy's WORLD. They want to know if you stay home on Sundays, if you can enjoy music, if you are spontaneous, etc. etc. They are curious about your WORLD. Women do not see guys, they see different realities to enter.
This is why Anti-Dump says, "The girl must like your STYLE first." She must like the things you choose to do on dates, etc. You are bringing her into your reality. You are holding her hand and guiding her down this new life.
Anti-Dump seemed to believe that the excitement that caused a woman to display what he would call a "high interest level" was something that you could do nothing to cultivate or influence.
No. Anti-Dump was well aware of Ross Jeffereies and even Speed Seduction and PUAs. He even mentions them.
But you must remember Anti-Dump was probably twice the age we are. He had already gone through a failed marriage.
It is interesting to note that DeAngelo, who says the similiar thing, comes from about the same age.
Why do women always say, like a broken record, to 'be yourself'? It is because they don't see guys, they see worlds. [I am talking about LTR types here, not ONS]
Once you realize this, all the 'cultivating interest' goes out the window. By improving your world (improving yourself in all ways, etc.) girls will obviously become more interested in you. That is what I have focused on in my posts. My own transition from dork boy to cool guy is seen within my posts (as revelations). Anti Dump was focused on just the weeding out.
There is a REASON why women love guys with money, love guys with humor, love guys who are more connected to society, etc.
Rather than try to answer this, we just put up cliched evolutionary paradigms. The truth is much more incredible than anything dreamed of in biology.
In my way of viewing things creating, cultivating and influencing that excitement to hook up with you is what we are in the business of doing. Obviously, there are as many ways of doing this as there are DJ's, but that's what we are trying to do. We are NOT trying to develop some "system" whose aim it is to play a numbers game in order to get whatever happens to fall into our lap, because normally....what DOES is not something you want to MARRY (which is what Anti-Dump's ideas are theoretically geared towards).
To show you where I'm coming from with all this, let me say this:
We have defined confidence ALL WRONG.
Whenever you read a confidence post, here or on asf or anywhere else, we keep thinking of confidence in our ACTIONS like some superman Alpha Male being dominant. (this is not surprising as men, by nature, are action oriented.)
Confidence is not in our actions, it is the vision of our own world. It is THE LINK between our dream and day.
Look at every guy that is successful with women. They all differ in the hows but one thing unites them: they all created their own world.
A woman says this quite bluntly when she compared confidence to ****iness:
Confidence is when a man is proud of his job, but never brags about it. When he has a great body, but doesn't call attention to it. He talks about his hobbies and passions because he can see that you're interested, not because he assumes you are. A confident man will approach a woman directly, but with a questioning smile. Confident men will state their opinions, welcome criticism, ask when they don't know, admit mistakes, and stand up for what they believe even if it's going to make things difficult for them. At the heart of it, I'd say confidence is about being sure of who you are and what you're worth, but never thinking you know it all. ****iness is thinking you're the ****, and taking for granted that everyone around you thinks the same.
,Now, there is some ******** that distorts the message. But one thing is clear, confidence is not our actions. Confidence is our own world, our own reality.
And when we view confidence as this, all our 'actions' become sure, pronounced, and everyone views us as knowing what we want and taking it.
Survivor says that he is glad that I brought back the Anti-Dump posts because he thinks they will be debunked.
To the contrary, I brought back the Anti-Dump posts to debunk much of the cr@p floating around on the forums now.
But I've been on these forums a long time and one thing is clear: those who will get will be those who can
put aside their egos. That is how the Nice Guy gets trapped being Nice Guy, his ego can't fathom any other possibility.
The only way to really understand what is going on is through humility, for it is only in that state of humility that Nature is viewed undistorted by our petty systems and philosophies.
