Anti-DJ site headed by a woman

[Jay_VCU]

I just realized what she said doesn't apply to this site. So Suave has gathered information from many different sources and managed to put the most important things in a site where it can be easily understood.
So Suave is much more that an SS guru. This site isn't about speed seduction. You don't just learn a couple of pick-up lines to say every time you see a girl. So Suave is about increasing confidence. You work on yourself first, then females will want to be around you cause they can see that confidence, you can articulate, they can see you're in control. When someone first starts, they may need to say something they read in one of the articles.
Once they get enough confidence, poise, and experience they won't need to keep coming back getting more info, going "What do I do now?" They wll be ready to give others advice. Someone on this site said, "You go from acting like a real man to becoming a real man." (I don't remember where it was.)

 

[Bungo Pony]

This is Destini's site. She used to post here about a year ago.

Here's some of her threads:

http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17004
http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18151
http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13436

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Here is what I gathered from the site after reading a few articles:

1) Within 5 minutes of meeting you a woman already knows how far she's gonna let you get with her. All you have to do is not f*ck it up by acting like an AFC.

2) Women place a greater emphasis on looks than guys on this site care to admit. If she doesn't find you physically attractive then no pattern, ****y/funny line, trick, or gimmick is gonna change that.

 

[Beatnik_666]

There is alot of good information on that board, and as far as i am concerned everyone should bookmark it and make a point of slowly reading through it.

I have problems with it, some of it rubs me the wrong way. Some of it i agree with. I believe she has her issues and that some of us have our issues. She is shouting hers, we are shouting ours.

I have not yet read the whole site, so i do not want to make the same mistake others make when they come here and read our material and just assume.

But so far i have seen little that she "teaches" she is fullfilling one half of the equation, the female half. She talks about "how it is", but so far does not show how to improve yourself to play "how it is" correctly. Example: She talks about attraction, etc in terms of self actualisation, which is great... but fails to cover how a good conversationalist would convey more of themselves, allowing more chance of showing something that would appeal to the otherperson, and hence stimulate attraction. Let alone how to devlop good conversation skills. Which is what concerns us on this board. She covers the mechanism, but not the environmental factors that could affect it. She slams ross's concept as a whole, and as such is denying some very good EFFECTS of applying his material. such as boosted confidence, etc. I have a whole list of points that i feel she has missed, and if it wasnt so late i would cover them as best i could. I might challenge myself and right up a email to her.

Like i said, i have not read the whole site, so she may get to this as common sense would place the topic at the end of the guide.

Anyway, anything that stimulates you to think, to ponder our material, her material, and your material is a good thing, and will assist in your growth. Dont generalise and file her away as a femnazi ***** that has no idea.

PS: i apologise for my terrible spelling, etc.

edit: Not to mention, me and her are coming from slightly different places, she may feel that i have completely "missed the overall point" after all, everything you think about something is in relation to you. It may not of occured to some people (i havnt read most of this thread, but past history here) that she may be looking at all this in terms of finding a relationship that would allow GROWTH. which we often give lip service too, but our actions show differently. ok ok, i shall cease my rambling.

 

[princelydeeds]

She sounds like a man hating, bull dyke with no life. I can't imagine reading through all that stuff then sitting and writing reviews as she does in the reviews section. At the very bottom of the homepage, there is a rainbow. I would bet money that she is part of the femi-nazi movement bent on tearign down the "evil male" power structure.

Women do not know what they want and that is a fact of life. Can a womans opinions change simply because you are more assertive, absolutely. Do women fall in love with the biggest jerks, and prey on the AFC's, yes. This site serves to protect the AFC's and give him a fighting chance. Do I think most of the guys are true DJ's, no but they are better off because they are not prey either. Plus this sight teaches AFC's skills and kicks the hard facts and makes AFCs able to pull some of the girls, which is way better than nothing. I do agree that alot of getting a chick, especially in cold pick up situations, is about the physical. If shes not attracted to you she probably won't listen to anything you have to say. And yes, a woman does know within 5 minutes whether she would screw you, as a guy your job is not to screw it up.

I know for sure that with confidence there are times you can change the way a woman sees you. I have known chicks who werent interested in me at first but later that changed for any number of reasons. Usually, they saw me in a different setting and noticed other attractive women were feeling me. I chased this HB9 lawyer chick for a few months she barely returned my calls. I saw her at a club on one of my good nights, one of those nights when my game was running smooth and it seemed every chick I met was into me. I ended up banging her that night, in the back seat of her car in the alley behind the club. Was it my game nope, it was all the other women. In fact one of the girls she came with was all over me. Once she saw that , she was mine. So her saying that this site "gives the most fundamentally flawed advice about women, about being confident, about an entire life paradigm," is simply stupid and ridiculous based on my experience in the real world.

 

[FlyGuy]

Eh, I dunno... I read through quite a few of her articles and she doesn't really give advice. She just rambles on about HER ideas on the philosophy of attraction. Doesn't help much.

This site basically says the same thing though... be the best man that you can be, have a fullfilling life, learn how to be more attractive through inner and outer "game"... the only difference is that THIS site actually gives you concrete ideas and tips to use as opposed to a bunch of philosophy.

I think Destiny had the wrong impression of this site.

 

[ds28]

How come every single thread around here seems to descend into insults, accusations and recriminations between fellow DJs?.......

Anyway, going back the original post, I do think that there is some sublte, albeit noticeable, passive / aggressiveness and bitterness in the way that this woman writes. I guess somewhere along the line she got burned by some dude, hence the 'under the surface' anger evident in her writing. Just because she may be bitter, it doesn't necessarily mean that what's she's talking about it complete bollox, although you have to stay vigilent.

As for the content, some the points she makes are valid eg. the critcisms of the stupid gimmicks, NLP technieques and manipulations that some sites peddle onto clueless / unsuspecting AFCs types. Other comments / suggestions she makes are absurd and simplistic. It's a mix of the good, bad and awful really. You do realise that alot of these sites just want your email so that they can sell it on for some $$$. You sign up and I guarantee your spam content.

IMO, if you can't get your game together using sosuave, Doc Love and David DeAngelo, you've got a serious problem. Occasionally there are useful giblets in datingdynamics and Louis & Copeland but the first 3 sites I mentioned are really all that you need. After that, everything kind of repeats itself. And the end of the day though remember one thing: All the knowledge in the world is USELESS unless you can apply it and put it into practice.

 

[ShortTimer]

Originally written by that d0uchbag Destiniiiii
"In a way, they're right. But they're right in the wrong context. I did indeed "conjure" him up - this mystery man that I knew only as Crete, not intentionally, but unwittingly, and he delivered unto me a prophecy inside a set of strange, enigmatic instructions, and assured me we would meet again very soon. To argue the meeting itself was "imagination or dream" is moot - I was 'asleep' and this meeting took place astrally. At the time it happened, I didn't know what "astrally" even was but never, from that moment to this, have I known that experience to have been anything less than quite literal and quite real."

The woman has and talks to her imaginary friends. She had a psychotic break from reality and now babbles on about men and women. There is no reason to take such a diseased mind seriously.

 

[cestmoi]

Just two things I HAVE TO SAY after reviewing her site.

1. She says NO means no and there's no possible way you can get past it. BULL****!!! I know she's mostly reffering to sex for which I don't have "passing by a NO" experience. I do know a NO when going in for the kiss or a NO when you ask for the phone number is often and most of the time a test. Some of my most precious rewards have been after bypassing "no, my phone isn't working" and "no, i have a boyfriend". Either walking away or calling their bluff makes you pass this test. So the ability to see if a NO is really a test doesn't make you a rapist.

2. She proposes this ingenious method for having "girls approach you". Buy some shirts she endorses and stand some distance next to a girl you like. BAM she'll magically approach you.

This site maybe helping to some guys. We who haven't tried its advice wouldn't know. But ONE THING IS SURE. Its of a completely opposite nature to sosuave.com. It teaches you how to get women by being a nice-guy (actually doing what women tell ya and beleive that everything they say is what they really mean). As well as being a wuss (not approaching women, but waiting for them to approach you-because of a cheap t-shirt mind you)

 

[the_gunslinger]

A few points about that website

A great man once wrote that "every man that i meet is in some way my superior", so i take it that this woman, in some twisted way, is my superior, but not when it comes to picking up women.

anyways, those few points:

1: men are better at advice generally than women because we see problems and seek soultions, we do not seek to discuss and moan about them. Peter Trudgill, a sociolinguist fund this out, not me. in one of pooks posts, he mentions that women say one thing and do another, that is because women do not know what they want themselves, let alone what other women want. it seems silly for me to say this given that i am a man and thus unaware of the intricacies and innate chaos that is the female mind set, but what woman can pass comment on what women in general want when they seem incapable of deciding what they want themselves.

2: although to denounce her site entirely would be wrong, look at relationship sites run by women, like oprah.com and badgirlswirl. these condition men to be AFCs, ie: lifes rejects who get walked all over. Sosuave has done me the world of good, whereas following the laymans advice those websites preach like "just be yourself" and "be her friend" results in rejection after rejection.

3: im sure she has some valid points, i just couldnt find them

 

[One on One]

You know how it goes. You're out on a Friday night with your best guy pals, partying and scoping the bar for hot babes, each of you looking to score. You envy those other guys who seem to always walk away with the attention from all the hottest chicks, making them laugh so effortlessly. You wish you could be like that. Instead, you can **** up a knock knock joke...and you're just too damn shy to walk up to one and go "hey".

How many times have you missed out on what might have been a very cool union with a woman you were really attracted to because you were too afraid to approach her? How many women have you let slip thru your fingers because you froze up and didn't know what to say?

If only she would make the first move, you know you'd be fine from then on. But she doesn't...

Wouldn't it be awesome to just walk into a room full of women and have them come up to you, to have them make that first move, interested in striking up the first conversation, asking you questions...being able to make them laugh and warm up to you on sight alone?

...All without ever having to say a word?

Without saying a word? Is that possible?

Not only is it possible, honey - it's GUARANTEED!

If you are too shy to walk up to beautiful women and make a move, if your confidence is flagging, or, if you have no problem walking up to women but just don't know what to say or how to break the ice without coming off like some desperate, transparent loser, have I got *the perfect* solution for you!

It's so easy, even a kid could pull it off. I promise!

ALL you have to do is to be able to casually maneuver yourself within a few feet of any woman you're interested in and keep your mouth shut! Yes, for real! They will be predisposed to engaging conversation by your very presence alone! You don't even have to say a word!

In fact, it's probably best that you don't!

There is no better ice breaker.

No better "pick up line".

No more effective lead in to conversation.

No way...really?!

YES really!

Done laughing yet? Ok, good. I've been out to clubs and had those nights when I would just stand around....can't exactly say the girls were coming up to approach me. How can this lady possibly believe girls are the pursuers and will come up to the guys? If you believe her advice, you're going to be standing around for a long time with your hands in your pockets.

 

[Kwah]

I didnt know you loved me Edge

Two men walk into a bar. Just for sh*its and giggles we'll call them Kwah(love that guy) and The Edge.

I was trying to remember where her writing style reminded me of something and now I remember

Holy ****, I just looked at that picture of her on her site. Scary bugger aint she?

 

[[A]rtful[DJ]]

Hmm all this makes me wonder, what happened to Wyldefire? Has any of you guys seen her around lately? It seems lot of the old DJ's don't come here anymore.

Best of luck to them all.....

As for Destini's site, I havent yet had a chance to read all her stuff but here is my take on what I have read so far.

I think her stuff are quite interesting TO SAY THE LEAST, It may very well be how girls think, AROUND HER AGE GROUP, and most definately if you are a single mom 39 with 3 kids. (After their younger days passion for players, bad guy and jerks alike had terribly gone wrong for them everytime)

She has no one to blame but herself for what has become of her. I am sure in her younger days she was the type of gal who made AFC's pledge to become a DJ someday.

PS: Some of her stuff I have read so far were quite worth while reading though.

 

[Bonhomme]

Wordy as hell ...

and it's hard to tell when she's joking. But she does make some good points for those who can decipher them, although she has a tendency to overstate things to the extreme.

Strange thing is that women will open up a conversation with you if you have the right kind of presence and generate a strong enough vibe.

But you'll have to be really ace to rely on that.

Didn't see much on how to develop your magnetism there. That's what this site is for anyway.

 

[Starwind]

Hmm... I only pop in here every so often, but this is a really interesting thread:

I've read a few of her articles, and her literary style is hateful, sure. But if you bleep out all the cussing and ignore the blatant attacks on men who follow speed seduction, it's actually not too bad.

I do not agree with everything she says, nor do I believe with everything Sosuave.com or Doc Love say. With a subject as vast and as complex as dating, there cannot be a 100% because women are not all the same: if they were, I can guarantee you there would be one site out there that has it 100% right. As my mother says, "Every mind's a different world." You can't memorize a list of pick-up lines, moves, etc., and expect it to work on every girl you meet.

While she seems to emphasize practical tips, sosuave.com helps you change your attitude: it tries to lay out the world in terms of how you should see it, and how you should treat yourself; this in turn helps you succeed with women. Only then can you go out and seduce them. In this respect, sosuave.com is clearly a superior site, not only for learning to get with girls, but to be a better person as a whole. But if you've got it all together except for the dating arena, then hers isn't too bad a site. Again, not everything she says is bad or good; take each article and judge it individually, just as you would here.

Also, I think the trick about picking up women at a club w/o saying something is a joke--literally; you're not meant to take it seriously. Do you guys honestly believe that is a true attempt at giving advice? If you did, you're a bigger idiot than she believes you to be and you deserve to be made fun of. Of course it's not a real piece of advice, it's a gimmick to drive traffic to a sponsor's web site--nothing more.

 

[ismo]

That site smells like a commercial advertisement for "t-shirt hell". the only difference is that it is more complicated and well-detailed than a TV commercial.

I say, do not take it too serious. Do not let anyone or any site make you spend your money in order to get laid (including D'Angelo or Doc Love). BE CLEVER!

 

[InLawsHateMe]

I will bet my left testie that she'll make some $$$ selling T's to some of the fools that go there. That's why I say, don't go there, but just like a car accident, everyone wants to see.

I am a bit surprised by the amount of peeps that have gone there. I can give a rats ass about her site, but after reading some of the postings, feels like I've already been there, sheesh.

Again, one has to consider the source here.... she's divorced, 3 kids, hates men, 99% chance she's a lesbo, because she hasn't had any luck with men, AND she's selling T's to the weak minded.

Still, peeps come back here and go, 'Hey! She's got something there, we can learn from a divorced woman with 3 kids, who hates men, and LOVES women. Maybe we can find a woman serial killer next, and have her talk to us about how to get in her pants, while blind folded and cuffed.' ...oye. /shakes head at the masses.

Then again, to each his own. If you think your game is THAT weak, by all means, go there. Some ppl like to listen to women b*tch about men I guess. Usually they are other women though.. :/

 

[Ded_Skin_Mask13]

i only had to see the pic of her to find out she's a sad sad person.

and i only could only read half way through the page before i had to exit out and went into convulsions as i tried to fight back the vomit from seeing such disgusting trash.....

she should be raked by machine gun fire,

 

[1utfan1]

After reading a few of her posts it seems to me she spends most, if not all her efforts explaining the background or the "what and why" but offers nothing tangible to attaining a solution. Someone that posted earlier referred to her as describing how an engine works (or something to that effect). Exactly, its like describing how a car works but not how to drive it. If it offered more solution type information rather than philisophical background then I could see myself being more open to it. Thats what I like about this site, it's more here's some ways to go about changing the situation and not analyzing it to death. Thanks DJ's!


P.S. I also don't understand why she associates this site with SS.

 

[FlyGuy]

While she seems to emphasize practical tips, sosuave.com helps you change your attitude

What are you talking about? She doesn't offer ANY practical tips that I've read so far, although I didn't make it past her 5th article.