Another Thread about Openers

[Wiesman44]

I know I know. You've all seen this type of thread before, and I apologize in advance. Truth is, there aren't that many GOOD openers floating around. I've read Mystery's openers, the openers on fastseduction.com, and I'm not impressed at all. THey all seem so fake.

I'm asking for the openers you all use. Openers that don't scream fake ! I know some people go up to girls at bars and say "hey, did u see that fight outside between those two girls".

Frankily, openers like that are lame.

My most effective opener is, "Hey girls, what do you all think of guys that wear pink". I'm actually genuinely interested in their responses, and since peakcocking is an up and coming trend, its a legitimate opener to use.

"Who lies more, men or women"......C'mon, that opener is lame, who really cares.


So i'm making the call out to you guys. Gimmie some openers that don't scream "I'm looking for an excuse to talk to you, so here is my lame opinion opener"......Or the "hey, i think i'm gonna use such a fvcking weird opener that she's either going to laugh or think i'm an idiot.

Just general openers. I was about to say its not hard, but i'm having an awful time coming up with good ones.

 

[rock-star_brian]

Situational Opener

This is one my favorite openers...I get tons of great feedback from it...I recently got a HB9.5 to go hot-tubbing with me after the bar.

ME: "OK, so I just walked up to the bar and I see this guy walk up to a girl and they introduce themselves to each other. Then they start talking like they know each other already. Isn't that weird? Then they start talking about stuff they have in common, they know all about each other but they are totally stiff like they just met. What do you think it means?"

Girl: Blah, blah

ME: Interesting answer but I would go with that they are an online date.
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Some girls love to play into this...a couple of times some girls have said that maybe they are roll playing...or its an escort, in which case you playfully accuse them on being perverted with a wry smile.

I love to create ease and familiarity with my openers...like I am this super hip guy but they just don't know it yet. Creating that sense of intrigue and aura is key....because lets face it the AFCs have cornered the market on nervous, jittery and corny first impressions..and we don't need that!!

Good Luck!!

 

[Wiesman44]

I think that would be great in conversation, but as an opener, I feel its too long. I think an opener should only be a sentence or two, short, brief, so that the set will respond quickly rather than listen to a long-ish story.

 

[rock-star_brian]

I see your point...but there is a million ways to skin a cat. I think you can't generalize length on a broad scale but rather pick the situation where you unleash these openers. Is this one going to work in a loud bar or club - no. But in a lounge or quiter bar - yes. Couple it with some kick-ass tonality and some great body language and skies the limit. That's why its important to have a set of openers that you deploy at any moment based on the situation. This was just one. If you want quick ones - go to opinion openers

 

[rock-star_brian]

Here's an high-value opener. This is great because more girls than not have low self esteem. It makes the set feel important...and they love feeling that!

"Here's the deal, I've been looking around this place and I've come to teh conclusion that yoiu are the only girl cute enough for me to talk to. So, great now we are talking."

...and take it from there

 

[Distant Light]

"Here's the deal, I've been looking around this place and I've come to teh conclusion that yoiu are the only girl cute enough for me to talk to. So, great now we are talking."

lol I remeber that opener, I've tryed to use high value openers before but I'm never congruent enough.

Another thing I want to talk about is about the guy talking about some of the openers that sound lame. Its best to do stuff like that because it gets them confused which actually gets them hooked, they want to know why the hell did you ask them that and many girls would want you to explain why you said that.

Take my friend for example he did a opener (I think this is one of the lamest openers) Hey, how are you doing?

Usually a girls autopilot would make her say hi or just keep going. But this particular girl was confused she had to stop and ask my friend if she knew him and he totally became incongruent like "WTF?"

I've been making openers past 2 days I won't post them until I test them first though. 2 Automatic Openers I use though are...

Horse Girl Opener (I love shocker openers now)
Tattoo Opener
Drug dealer opener (If I have a wing)
Tent and Wheel chair opener (I usually stack both of them and go into a story about both)

Those 3 are my automatic openers that I use if a girl just walk by and I have no time to think.

 

[Socialreject]

The problem with openers is that often you cannot pull them off in a natural way...

Lots of guys have lots of personalities. Some guys are macho types, some guys are intellectuals, cool, complicated, introverted, extroverted... etc etc

If you're not an intellectual type and you try to do an opener that kind of "sophisticated" you have to be a pretty solid actor to pull it off right. There is also the fact that once you've opened her, you have to follow up with more conversation and if that doesn't "fit in" with your opener it will come off totally creepy!

So i would have to say that really the best thing you CAN do is make your own "canned" openers... and maybe some follow ups. I think having some canned stuff in the back of your head is good, because there are always these situations where you just can't think of a good opener on the fly.

If you really after trying other guys' openers than practice them! Stand in front of the mirror, speak the opener, look at yourself... how do you look saying it? how do you sound? Then speak some more lines of possible conversation and see if it sounds like good follow up and natural.

I know what you mean though... most of the more common openers don't really "fit in" for me, but some do and i found out which ones by practising in front of the mirror ;-)

 

[rock-star_brian]

The mirror tactic is a excellent ploy, socialreject...I've done this on a bunch...girls are really good at picking up verbal and NV communication.

Distant light - funny that you mentioned horse girl...I ran that on bunch of sets this weekend at the NJ shore. As you say..great for shock-value...a lot of girls were weirded out that they reminded me of horse-girl...but they fell right into my plan and escalated from there

 

[I love Hyori Lee]

the best pickup line....










HI

 

[rock-star_brian]

Here's another one of my favorites (credit Disco out in Brooklyn)...works best in a Starbucks, train station, idle time setting...when a girl is just hanging around not doing much:

ME: So how long have you been doing yoga?
HER: What makes you think I do yoga?
ME: I just had an intuition. My grandmother was a professional gambler and I get these intuitions.
HER: Yes (or No) I do (or don't do yoga)
ME: (on to talking about why or why not, is it not violent enough for you, are you tough, etc.)

 

[Wiesman44]

i dont understand why you have to lie when doing pick-ups ? Obviously your grandma is not a pro gambler, so why lie about it ?

I was just talking w/ one of my buddies today and here are some good ones:

Hi, my name is __ ___ . I've been stalking you on facebook for a year now. its nice to finally meet u. (obviously say it in a joking tone).

Or a more opinion-oriented one:

My buddies girlfriend wants to open up a tanning salon (sp?) and we're having an argument here. If you were to open up a tanning salon, would u open it in the north or the south. We think it would better in blah blah blah.

 

[ego]

I don't really think my answer help you guys, because most of you are looking for a shortcut... but anyways:

Smile, say hello, and ask anything to get a conversation going.

Seriously... a opener is just a opener. It's a way to break the ice and get a conversation going (about anything else). And to break the ice - well, all there is to it is really a smile, a hello and a random comment. Invite her to start a conversation with a open-ended comment or question. This way you invite her to give her your opinion right away... Instead of asking "Hi, can I get your opinion on ........?"

I hate to be cynical - but if you need a subject-related opening-line to engage a conversation and come off as interesting you're probably pretty boring. Don't get me wrong - they're great in one way to break the ice - but they're not supposed to be a subject for the following 30 minutes. Of course girls love to give their opinion on things, just as every other human, so give it to them in a normal way.

Hell, talk about anything to people: What they dreamed about last night, what they got for birthday present, how drunk they've been the latest month, how old they think you are, and so on... and so on. Make 'em feel good about themself, and make 'em smile!

And if you don't believe this is all it takes - you're probably trying too hard. Remember, it's not what you say but how you say it.

A true "pickup line" could come off as either damn attractive or just very f*cking weird. It's all about how you present yourself.

Anyone that agrees?

 

[Distant Light]

While you can use almost anything to open someone if you want to consistently open you should make your opener of atleast some of the following:

- Breaks the ice
- Builds Social value
- get them talking and/or laughing

I don't want to get too into it about how a opener is constructed by that is by far the least talked about part of seduction. If you can't open you can't do sh!t. Another thing the opener should come off as rapport seeking this is why hi, whats up, hey how your doing, etc isn't good openers. If you go in there and get them confused there going to stop because they must know why are you asking this and another reason they say do use a story right after is because there is no way to automatically ignore it. Its like a guy stops you and you hear something that make you stop for a slight second then they go into a little story its going to be hard to just walk away while he is in his story. You might just sit there and let it go through one ear and out the next thats why you get girls listening by talking about girl sh!t. What man wats to really talk to each other about a horse girl and stuff like that. I'm hoping to buy Bradp's shocker book because i'm starting to like those type of openers and adding an opinion opener right after.

 

[everywomanshero]

You cannot figure out how women will react to an opner in your head. That's why trying to rationalize PU in your head doesn't get you laid.

You need to decide whether you will open direct or indirect. With indirect you're using active disinterest, so the opener only needs to not get you blown out. As long as they respond, then you're in the set.

Who lies more is great if you're standing with another guy and say it's a debate. It is quite ****ty as a opener for a guy to just walk up and say. I mean you could point out some random person and say he is in the debate, but still..... Jealous gf is good. Spells is good. tent opener usually gets a good laughing reaction.

Situational openers work too. In fact, I have a harder time thinking of an opener that doesn't work than one that does.

I think you're majoring in the minors here. Some openers are better than others for a given set, but even this is majoring in the minors. As long as you're in alpha state when you go out, any of these things will work. You can also just make up a random opener based on something that's happening like your friend forgot his id and he's trying to talk his way in. Do they know the bouncer?

 

[Wiesman44]

I don't think i ever asked about your input on how openers should be used. And frankily, I don't care to tell you the truth. Quit hyjacking my thread with this garbage, all 3 of you above.

I'm simple asking for openers that some of you use. I'm not asking you all to hyjack my thread with your opinions on how opinions should be used and for what purpose they're used for.

 

[Kumar]

the best pickup line....










HI

Honestly, it's all it takes.

K

 

[Microphone Fiend]

random stuff works... stop taking up internet bandwith you dirty pirate hooker

 

[The charisma]

This one worked for me last friday:

I see a girl pointing her finger at me, she is with her friend

Me- Where you pointing your finger at me?
Girl- NO
Me- I bet your friend asked you " Who is the hottest guy in here?" and that's how you ended up pointing at me!