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Max Baker

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I was in a relationship with a single mother for 6 months, we would meet about 3 times a week. This woman was all about sex and food. Not once did we have a meaningful conversation about anything.

I started to look for other women a few months ago and i was basically using her for sex. She wanted me to meet her family and vice versa and because i wasn't sure where this was heading i was very hesitant in doing so.

A week ago i had an argument with my mother. My family has always been dysfunctional and from time to time i butt heads with my mum. Well according to my now ex, she said she couldn't be a part of a dysfunctional toxic family because her ex husband had the same problem and it clearly has traumatized her. Her family according to her is all fine, everyone gets along.

So I told her that's how it is, if you can't handle it then we should stop now before families are met. And i said i've not happy about being compared to your ex. She cried and left. I shut the door behind her. To be honest i felt angry about her abandoning me just like that, but at the same time I'm not surprised either and feel relieved.

Did i handle it correctly?
 
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Who cares about "meaningful conversations" when it comes to a woman?

You put too much expectation her there, buddy. You said all she's good for is sex and food, and that should be enough.

And she's right about not wanting to have anything to do with a toxic family.

You dumped her, that's good for you, and also for her.
 

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When i was single and baggage-free, i considered single moms and divorcees to be damaged goods. On that count alone, this woman loses marks in my book.

She then decided that she didnt want to be part of a toxic family because hers is perfect. Guess what? Thats boochit, because every family has its fair share of tensions, cracks and drama. Even the lofty British Royal Family is going through drama right now. A woman should be with you for you, not for second tier reasons like your family dynamics. You accommodated her divorced single motherhood status, but she couldnt reciprocate.

You handled this well. Good riddance
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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Did i handle it correctly?
Hell to the yes!

Imagine being such a beta that you told her you'd give up on your family to be with her. Yeah, that would have made the relationship work..... not.

It's up to her now. Come crawling back and admit she was wrong or to never hear from you again. Good riddance
 

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Let's look at it from another angle, instead of blowing smoke up your ass..

The dynamic of your "relationship" was totally off here...(off = give it a name...toxic, narcissistic)

Both of you lack(ed) empathy for the other and this transpired to create a narcissistic dynamic which was the energy force in your
dealings. Both of you lack the ability to look at things from the other's point of view. This is clear from what you wrote. All the perspectives are from the individuals' points of view.

I was in a relationship with a single mother for 6 months, we would meet about 3 times a week.
I'm guessing you probably rushed into this. Three times a week was too much, way too much at this early stage.

This woman was all about sex and food. Not once did we have a meaningful conversation about anything.
Generally speaking, women can be quite childlike and may not develop their personalities fully. Why should they when the have daddy and men fawning all over them and praising them to the hilt on social media. A woman who has no conversation will blame the man for being boring (good at projecting ). We can use this to our advantage by self amusing : mock her a little for fun. Get her to talk about her self and her interests (food? Watch come dine with me/ Kitchen Nightmares. Cook a new meal together) this shows empathy, gets her to open up and gets you out of your own narcissistic thoughts. Tease her about her responses in a fun way (banter) showing humor..................................keep it light and funny with women.

why would you look for "meaningful conversations" with a woman (a woman you are seeing for such a short time). Have fun with her, You want meaning, go back to church, find a buddhist temple.

i was basically using her for sex.
Shows perhaps an immature boundary / scarcity mindset. Also incoherency in your philosophy/principles. On one hand you want "meaningful conversations" on the other you are fine with "using her for sex". Lack of coherency in your thinking.

She wanted me to meet her family and vice versa and because i wasn't sure where this was heading i was very hesitant in doing so.
Again boundaries. Sounds like you don't know where you are headed and who will head there with you. Sort these things out.

A week ago i had an argument with my mother.
Sort this out. Frame and boundaries. You cannot go losing frame with your mother. You will continually lose frame with women until you have this sorted out. You need to control your emotions (perhaps develop your emotional maturity ). It sounds like a codependent relationship : she knows how to push your buttons and you react. Perhaps you know how to push her buttons too. YOU NEED TO CONTROL YOURSELF AND STOP ARGUING WITH FEMALES. It's a losing battle.

Check out "nasty people" = It can show you ways of how "invalidation" happens and how to avoid reacting to it. (interestingly enough he mentions empathy too: if someone is being nasty to you , you can be sure that it's often not about you......they are just fvcking miserable in that moment!

Well according to my now ex, she said she couldn't be a part of a dysfunctional toxic family because her ex husband had the same problem and it clearly has traumatized her. Her family according to her is all fine, everyone gets along.
You perhaps took this personally (you introverted) rather than again, showing empathy, looking at where she is coming from and understanding this point of view..............failure to so puts one on the defensive.

So I told her that's how it is, if you can't handle it then we should stop now before families are met. And i said i've not happy about being compared to your ex.
You see? Lack of empathy and failure to look at the other's point of view puts us on the defensive and when this happens with both partners in a "relationship", a hardened stance is taken by both parties and you remain at loggerheads. This is your dynamic. This is your energy.

She cried and left. I shut the door behind her.
Hardened stance with anger. Never ends well....

To be honest i felt angry about her abandoning me just like that, but at the same time I'm not surprised either and feel relieved.
This is narcissism, the opposite of empathy. You only look at your point of view and put a subjective judgement on things (she "abandoned me", thus adding to the situation.

Did i handle it correctly?
Sure! Be aware of smoke being blown up your ass...

For your own growth, go through it all and own whatever part you can own and learn from it.

You need to sort out your childhood issues. (dysfunctional family : probably codependent issues, fear of abandonment, wanting to be loved but unable to accept it /pushing it away)

Never speak to a woman / whoever you are dating about these issues (even mentioning "my family is dysfunctional".

Speak to a decent therapist, resolve these issues. Be the calm island while the waves of madness are crashing all around you.
 

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guess she didnt like your red flags. Im betting there was more to her decision but she just used the family thing as he excuse. Probably monkey branching. If interest is high enough they will date and stick by convicted felons.
 

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[QUOTE="Grinderman]

Speak to a decent therapist, resolve these issues. Be the calm island while the waves of madness are crashing all around you.[/QUOTE]

Lol there's no "decent therapist" when it comes to this kind of stuff. The only therapist can really help you is yourself.

Yes, I agree 100% that whatever trauma that you had, make sure you resolved them by your fvcking self BEFORE even thinking about setting foot into a relationship. Otherwise, you'll destroy both yourself and the other person.

That's why men should live alone at least 3-5 years to really understand themselves before thinking about building a relationship with somebody else.
 

Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.

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We talk about NOT rescuing or fix women. Well, I think it’s good advice for a woman to not try to rescue or fix a man as well.
Exactly.

Actually in reality, women love to play the rescuers. Hence they fall for bad boys and wreck themselves in the long run.

So yeah, nobody should rescue nobody. You're either a healthy, normal-functioning, and positive person, or you're OUT.
 
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I was in a relationship with a single mother for 6 months, we would meet about 3 times a week. This woman was all about sex and food. Not once did we have a meaningful conversation about anything.

I started to look for other women a few months ago and i was basically using her for sex. She wanted me to meet her family and vice versa and because i wasn't sure where this was heading i was very hesitant in doing so.

A week ago i had an argument with my mother. My family has always been dysfunctional and from time to time i butt heads with my mum. Well according to my now ex, she said she couldn't be a part of a dysfunctional toxic family because her ex husband had the same problem and it clearly has traumatized her. Her family according to her is all fine, everyone gets along.

So I told her that's how it is, if you can't handle it then we should stop now before families are met. And i said i've not happy about being compared to your ex. She cried and left. I shut the door behind her. To be honest i felt angry about her abandoning me just like that, but at the same time I'm not surprised either and feel relieved.

Did i handle it correctly?
When they cry it means you're doing it right.
 

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Who cares about "meaningful conversations" when it comes to a woman?

You put too much expectation her there, buddy. You said all she's good for is sex and food, and that should be enough.

And she's right about not wanting to have anything to do with a toxic family.

You dumped her, that's good for you, and also for her.
Thanks everyone for your replies and support.

Yeah that's true to a degree. When the woman starts wanting to meet families and wants exclusivity, For me to consider it a meaningful conversation at least has to be able to happen. It's not always about sex and food.

I recognize it was a good deal, free sex and food once a week. But that is really the reason it lasted as long as it did. She wasn't doing it for me. As for the toxic family part yes that is her right. But i am a little disappointed by that but that's ok.

I don't need rescuing, I'm not a bad boy. Just trying to get through life and deal with it the best i can. I am seeing a therapist and its helping, and they are helping me to recognize that it does take two in a relationship and its not always my fault and how i handle things. I'm not perfect but in this case when i woman says they don't want to be a part of your family, then its wise to let them go.

As for red flags, i never once argued with her, i never brought up families or whatever. It was always her talking about her family and kids and me listening to her never ending bull****. I guess the only red flags i can think of was my delaying of meeting the family and the argument i had with my mum.

Anyway it is what it is. I guess i did us both a favour.

Thanks again brothers.
 

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Single mothers should never be anything more than plates. They are dangerous even if they themselves are good people. Both her ex and her kid have the power to ruin your life with false accusations. Never meet the kid, just bang her and move on.
 
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