Another "is chivalry dead?" Case

[Jules_Winfield]

She was completely willing to take advantage of you if you allowed it. Now she'll just use you to be less lonely. Enjoy the sex, and don't get attached because she will move on the first chance she gets.

Read my previous message to you before the date.

 

[Die Hard]

Show her your dominant side... A LOT! Don't do it because you think that will prevent her from walking over you, as if you need to do it to protect yourself or anything. Do it because you love being dominant over women!! (just imagine yourself pulling her hair and ramming her pvssy senseless)

This is a woman who loves that, it gets her panties wet, she wants you to control and dominate her. Forget about social constructions, etiquette and morals, you need to get in touch with your inner caveman and just act out on that instinct. She will love it, trust me... The way she responded now at your manly attitude (by submitting herself to you and trying to please you), is the way she will respond everytime when you behave that way. Enjoy the ride, bro!

Oh, and don't fall in love with her, lol. You're absolutely fvcked if that happens...

 

[LiveFreeX]

Gold digging russian wh0re? I think most russian women would be offended by that remark sir.

Gold digging american single mom yes.


Do not be fooled, she is looking for someone to take care of her kids. "I'm on my knees in forgiveness", of course you are, you fvcked up in life and now you are trying to get others to clean up after your mistakes. You can tell her she only deserves to be treated like a woman if she was an unsullied virgin. Now she's just a *****.

OP have you completely lost your marbles? No, I'm guessing you are new to the game. You have super powers, only use them on deserving women. Russia is full of very wonderful 3rd world virgins. Go to the source, pick out one you like and bring her back, start a family.

Paint by numbers. Easy stuff. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[tryst type]

Yeah, I get this text today "so when are you going to take me out on a proper date?"

Man she's doing a complete 180, she's making me work for the sex rather than just giving it up which seemed more accessible at the very beginning of us talking.

Think I'm just going to cut my losses here, don't feel like "pampering" a woman (as she so eloquently stated she's used to) just to get laid.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

So, was the whole "treating her" thing just a big sh*t test?

People throw that term around as if it's some kind of conscious gambit that women do in order to see how much power they can exert, as if they're playing chess or something, and always thinking eighteen moves ahead.

They aren't.

They are ALWAYS driven UNCONSCIOUSLY to get as much as they can out of a relationship. (be it a ten second conversation or a twenty year marriage).

How this comes across is based on their own individual situation, level of self confidence, history, etc.

She, at first, wanted to make sure you were paying. In her mind, you two going on a date, with you paying was preferable to going dutch, so she went fishing, not testing.

Through your somewhat awkward conversation, you let her know you weren't intending on paying, and that in your mind, NOT going on a date was preferable to going on a date with you paying.

This leaves her with less than what she thought she was getting, as she thought it was a choice between "date with you paying" and "dutch treat."

This, suddenly gave her a NEW frame of mind. Single mommies tend to think interested guys (that aren't alcoholic gangsters from mother Russia) are a rare commodity.

So she suddenly "lowered" her expectations, and "raised' what she was willing to pay in order to get those expectations.

It was very similar to a business transaction, where somebody full of hot air, trying to buy a car is told that it's not for sale any more. Suddenly they want it more than they did before, and they're willing to pay more for it.

Since you're turned off by her personality, you clearly have the upper hand.

If I were you, I'd show interest, but also look out for any opportunities to demonstrate your intention to walk.

You can definitely nail this broad, but keep in mind you may have to "threaten to walk" a few times before you get there.

No more discussions about who should pay or the alleged history of chivalry or any of that crap.

Just set your mind to what you want to do with her (e.g. dutch treat dinner and movies, dinner at your place, coffee date, whatever) speak it clearly and simply ask her if she's in or out.

You: I wanna go see that new movie. Wanna come along? Dutch treat?

Her: Are you going to pay?

You: No. Dutch. Are you in or out? I'm cool either way.

Her: But don't you think a man should pay?

You: Maybe. So anyway, movies, tues nite, dutch treat. Yes, or no?

 

[tryst type]

People throw that term around as if it's some kind of conscious gambit that women do in order to see how much power they can exert, as if they're playing chess or something, and always thinking eighteen moves ahead.

They aren't.

They are ALWAYS driven UNCONSCIOUSLY to get as much as they can out of a relationship. (be it a ten second conversation or a twenty year marriage).

How this comes across is based on their own individual situation, level of self confidence, history, etc.

She, at first, wanted to make sure you were paying. In her mind, you two going on a date, with you paying was preferable to going dutch, so she went fishing, not testing.

Through your somewhat awkward conversation, you let her know you weren't intending on paying, and that in your mind, NOT going on a date was preferable to going on a date with you paying.

This leaves her with less than what she thought she was getting, as she thought it was a choice between "date with you paying" and "dutch treat."

This, suddenly gave her a NEW frame of mind. Single mommies tend to think interested guys (that aren't alcoholic gangsters from mother Russia) are a rare commodity.

So she suddenly "lowered" her expectations, and "raised' what she was willing to pay in order to get those expectations.

It was very similar to a business transaction, where somebody full of hot air, trying to buy a car is told that it's not for sale any more. Suddenly they want it more than they did before, and they're willing to pay more for it.

Since you're turned off by her personality, you clearly have the upper hand.

If I were you, I'd show interest, but also look out for any opportunities to demonstrate your intention to walk.

You can definitely nail this broad, but keep in mind you may have to "threaten to walk" a few times before you get there.

No more discussions about who should pay or the alleged history of chivalry or any of that crap.

Just set your mind to what you want to do with her (e.g. dutch treat dinner and movies, dinner at your place, coffee date, whatever) speak it clearly and simply ask her if she's in or out.

You: I wanna go see that new movie. Wanna come along? Dutch treat?

Her: Are you going to pay?

You: No. Dutch. Are you in or out? I'm cool either way.

Her: But don't you think a man should pay?

You: Maybe. So anyway, movies, tues nite, dutch treat. Yes, or no?

Did just that! And here's the exchange:

Her: I think you have a paranoia about money. There's a difference between pampering and courting

Me: Not when you come across like you constantly want to be "courted" get out of here with that, I'm not trying to buy anyone's affection. Maybe you should court me

Her: I'm done!

Me: K

Peace out, this had disaster written all over it. I honestly get the whole "courting" thing and paying sometimes out of generosity if its deserved, but not when the woman explicitly makes it clear that's what she wants before ever meeting. Isn't the first time I've run into this.

 

[Zarky]

This is a really interesting thread to me, because I would have "nexted" her at this comment:

We were talking about getting together and she says "your treat?"

I simply would have deleted her number instantly and not responded, and deleted any follow-ups. That's such a big red flag for me that I'm not sure a woman could recover unless she apologized and literally suggested I come over so she could suck my ****.

I mean usually I'll pay for the first round and sometimes a small appetizer, but if a woman asks or brings up the fact that she wants me to pay then that's a huge red flag and pretty much an instant dump.

So to see how this kind of situation plays out after a comment like that is very interesting to me, because it probably wouldn't happen to me. I can't say I'm all that surprised. Even if she backed down at first, she still had her mind on your money and I think the outcome was inevitable. The sexy action at the movies was merely to show you her stuff to try to lure you in more.

People let you know who they are very quickly. I mean within the first few interactions. Don't ignore those signs, they will clue you in to how all of your future interactions will be.

 

[nismo-4]

Once you treat a woman to dinner before you've banged her, you are in the friendzone.

Alpha fux, beta bux.

Case closed.