Analyze This! Help Needed.

_barfly_

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Hey DJs, this is my first post so be easy on me. I recently met these two girls and both of my encounters ended up the same way.

Girl #1
I went to my favorite bar to get a few drinks, after I ordered my first beer, this girl slightly hit me so I knew she was interested. In a short conversation, she said she was there to meet somebody, but she wasn't dating that guy and gave me her number. Couple of days later, I called her up and set up a date. Right from the very beginning, she was very responsive and she was constantly touching me and gave me a few compliments. I was 'very interesting', 'cute' and she was 'very glad that she met me'. By the end of the night, we started making out and SHE suggested that we go some place else. So we went to my house, we did quite a lot but she wouldn't give it up all the way. I didn't really mind, since I was 100% sure I was going to see her again and thought that maybe she just didn't want to come off as a slut. She hung out at my place for a while in the morning and we agreed to see each other again. She said couple of times how much fun she had.
Half a week later, I called her up and she didn't answer the phone (she never did before, she always called back after couple of minutes). I called her 3 more times within a few days and nothing. A week later, I left a message and she called right back. She said she had a great time and she wants to go out again. When we were supposed to finalize the plans, she canceled the date saying she went to see her friend and asked me if she could call me when she gets back. I got pissed but finally agreed. She never called me.
Couple of weeks later, I stumbled upon her at the same bar and she was genuinely happy to see me, very flirty and touchy, she said she didn't turn me down but got back to her ex-boyfriend. I never saw her since.

Girl #2
I walked up to a bar to order a beer (same place hehe), this fat chick starts hitting on me. Her cute friend started talking to me too, so I sticked around for a few minutes. I asked her who was she with and she pointed to some guy and said 'my boyfriend'. A week later, I met her in another bar with her other girlfriend who started hitting on me. While I was talking to both of them, couple of girls that I knew said hello to me and she was courious to find out who they were. She gave her me number before she left the bar.
Now the story is pretty much the same as with girl #1, except that during the date, some of her other girlfriends showed up for a while. I was more perstistent when I got got to her place after the date, but she made it clear she didn't want to have sex plus a a bunch of 'we're moving too fast', 'we barely know each other', 'you do this to all the girls', blah blah blah. We made out in the morning and talked about what we may do next.
With some minor differences, the phone talk afterwards was the same as before (I only made one call per week), finally she called up saying she wants to go out only to cancel the date the same day. The day after, she said she's not looking for a relationship and I said me neither.

OK, you can see the repeating pattern, what is it that I'm doing wrong? I appreciate any intelligent comments/suggestions.
Both of the girls where in 25-29 age range.
 

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no idea :confused: maybe u should've left when she said she didnt want sex. Thus she sensed you're into relationship?
 

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You may be coming off a shade desperate to these girls by expecting too much from them too soon.
 

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yeh also right. next time get her number but dont go with her. call her 4 days later instead and set a date.
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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It seems like you are rushing things a bit they probably are sensing that.
 

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So what do you think I should do when a girl asks me at the end of the date to go to my/her place? It wasn't me who suggested it. They both threw some minor sexual comments during the date. Btw, I waited 5 days to call them up after they gave me the number.
 

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You seem to be pretty solid until you get to their place. When she suggests you leave say "lets go to your place" (or yours if its close...just make sure you decide). Don't push sex. Tease her, make her want it and make her feel like it's perfectly natural. As David D says: 2 forward, 1 back. There's a lot of info on the site about LMR, just do a quick search. I mentioned in a different post that someone posted a video of Mystery talking about this same thing.

Either way, the key is don't rush! And make her have fun with it. If she says "We're going to fast" say "You're right, I like where we are. Let's just cuddle." She'll come back to you for sure.

Good luck & happy new year
 

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To be honest on the first girl it sounds like she may of actually got together with her ex bf again. She wouldnt have told you that thow. She would have prefered to leave you there "Just in case". As soon as a girl starts giving you a few days silent treatment you need to think about cutting loose.

As for the second girl it sounds like you went abit hard and heavy to fast. Even thow you then slowed it down to calling her she may have already made her mind up that you were after one thing. On this one i have made the same mistake myself. I think its getting the balance right.
 

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Tomatoes, I kind of had the same feeling, so maybe that's what was really happening. Thanks for all the comments guys.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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You my friend got buyer's remorse from both girls. Even though she probably got back with her ex bf, doesn't mean she would all of a sudden stop calling.

What is buyer's remorse? When she feels uncomfortable because everything happened so fast. You got the girl attracted but you never gained enough rapport. You sould build rapport for 4 to 10 hours. The point where you get buyer's remorse is when your making out, don't let it turn into foreplay instead know when to stop and instead gain more rapport. At that point you choose do you want to gamble for a ONS or do you want to wait and be able to fuvk her multiple times. So for now on after getting her all attracted try to build some rapport
 

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That's an interesting thought Distant Light. Never heard of buyer's remorse in this context.
 

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Three words for you:

Seal The Deal

You didn't fvck them and you were close. Don't think of next time because there may not be a next time.

Just because you fvck them, that doesn't mean they won't flake on you next time. Assuming you do them right though, they are less likely to flake on you next time.

Read this thread by xblitz44x and SexPDX:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=16824&highlight=fvck

If you have trouble sealing the deal, try freezeout(s), and Ryker's 3 rules. If she still gives you major resistance, do a takeaway and walk the fvck out!

Here is one response from fastseduction.com that is decent advice:

Originally posted by Design
No prob. (F*CK...it looks like I lost my notes...I have ThuWhacker's though, so here it is...)

LMR, or Last Minute Resistence, is an evolutionarily hard-wired emotional defense mechanism a girl has due to the fact that 40,000 years ago, if she got pregnant by a guy who wasn't going to stick around to help raise the child, she and the child would die.

Mystery describes the feeling this way: Have you ever had $10,000 on red when you are playing roulette? LMR is like you have a lot of money and its riding on a 50-50 chance. That is what last minute resistance is for a girl.

There are five ways to overcome LMR, but the general principle is not to barrel through it with eternal persistence...it's to help her get rid of the feeling so that she doesn't experience it in the first place.

(1) Seven hours. If you wait seven hours before trying to full monty her, you will dramatically reduce LMR.

(2) "You have highjacked my brain." Convince her of this and you capitulate to the needs of her LMR: you two are pair-bonded...you won't just f*ck her and leave. Start your "highjacked brain" campaign ten minutes into the sarge:

"Do you want to hear the weirdest thing? I don’t know you from a hole in the wall, I really feel this connection with you. Its so weird. Say that when you went away, I actually missed you."

(3) The Freeze Out. This is Mystery's classic LMR tactic. If a girl stops you at a certain point as you are moving toward sex, and it is not simply token resistence, you STOP. Completely. Stop. Say, "I understand." And go do something else. It is imperative not to come off as pouting. Rather, you're just communicating, "If you don't want to do this, that's cool." But really, this is a punishment for her since she is aroused. You're saying, you don't get the reward of me arousing you unless you're willing to take this all the way. Anyway, stop, go do something else, then return, maybe touch her leg, and things will resume. Then tell her to do the thing she wouldn't do before. Continue as usual.

(4)"We should stop." This is for token resistence: when a girl comes up with lots of stupid excuses why you shouldn't be hooking up. In those cases you just say, "You're right, we should stop," and keep going.

(5) Riker's 3 Rules: You tell a girl, "Look, I have three values that I live by. One, I always wear a condom. Especially with a girl that I first have sex with. Two, I want this to be fun. I want this to be win-win. I want us to both enjoy it. Three, when we look back at this tomorrow, I want us to look back and be glad that we did it. If everything has happened again, I want us to want to do it again. If we don’t feel these are true, then we shouldn’t do it."

And there you have it...the solution to LMR.

Design
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=5&mn=1113988957220360

Lastly, stop with the infinite phone calls. Chicks have caller IDs nowadays. And one message is enough. If she doesn't call back, then NEXT!

Maximus_Decimus
 
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