anabolic steroids, does anyone here uses them?

[Silverback82]

Many steroid users report no testicular shrinkage, and Jose Canseco's wife reported that his genitals actually grew while on steroids.

where on earth do you get your info

genitals don't grow on steroids, canseco even said his balls shrunk and so did his ex wife

he also pointed out the fact that the penis doesn't shrink which is what alot of ignorant people like to think

 

[Silverback82]

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/HBO-Real-Sports-steroid-special.avi

this vid speaks the truth

44 megabytes but worth it

 

[seanchai]

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/HBO-Real-Sports-steroid-special.avi

this vid speaks the truth

44 megabytes but worth it

Dude, you could revolutionize science. Doctoroxygen and I cite scientific studies and reviewed works, and you cite a video on the internet. From HBO.

 

[Silverback82]

Dude, you could revolutionize science. Doctoroxygen and I cite scientific studies and reviewed works, and you cite a video on the internet. From HBO.

and none of your supposed scientific studies are proven to be accurate

there have also been scientific studies done saying the dangers of them are overrated

did you actually watch the video? what difference does it make what channel the story was on? Dr. Norman Fost of the University of Wisconsin has actually studied steroids. Can't say the same about too many other doctors.

what cracks me up is alot of the steroid haters are the same people that drink, smoke, eat junk food, use recreational drugs, go tanning etc etc

andd those stuff have been proven to kill

 

[seanchai]

there have also been scientific studies done saying the dangers of them are overrated

That's what I've been saying all along. Recall I said the only side effect they can't yet confidently discount is the probability that steroids will shorten your life. The difference between steroids and alcohol or recreational drugs is the large amount of knowledge on the latter subjects and the dearth on the former.

I'm not anti-steroids. I think they're a great invention, albeit one that has radically changed public conceptions of normal, natural musculature in men. But people should be aware that steroids probably won't shrink your balls, they might not give you acne, they might not cause roid rage, you won't necessarily shrink when you're off them... but nobody really knows how much they will affect your lifespan.

 

[TheSplat]

I love the juice. I'm 21 and am going to start my 2nd cycle during the fall semester. All I'm going to say is...you don't know what you're missing.

 

[[S]alvatore]

Out of curiosity, how long have you been training, and when did you do your first cycle Splat?

 

[tmpgstx]

If you can't build naturally, you're not a man and do not have the character. Taking shortcuts is the easy way.

Schwartzenegger cycled steroids all the way thru 1991. He has to have triple-bypass surgery as related to his steroid use. He also stated this and advocating against using it.

Evander Holyfield does not use steroids. Mike Tyson does not.

Lyle Alzado died from them.

 

[doctoroxygen]

The quote from Salon, about what Schwarzenegger says, is not proof! He can say whatever he wants publicly, and I don't see how his victories in court indicate that steroids are safe!

I do agree that most athletes use them, especially in boxing. Mike Tyson, at least, was definitely on steroids. Holyfield, I dunno but probably. You can tell by their physique, which you would all know if you read "The Adonis Complex."

 

[Silverback82]

If you can't build naturally, you're not a man and do not have the character. Taking shortcuts is the easy way.

Schwartzenegger cycled steroids all the way thru 1991. He has to have triple-bypass surgery as related to his steroid use. He also stated this and advocating against using it.

Evander Holyfield does not use steroids. Mike Tyson does not.

Lyle Alzado died from them.

talk about talking out of your ass:crazy:

there is no proof steroids had anything to do with arnold's surgery, people get heart surgery all the time jackass are they all steroid users? he advocated against the use because he is in politics and with steroids in baseball steroids are constantly getting negative publicity

how do you know holyfield hasn't used steroids or tyson a guy who has used many rec drugs before and has robbed and beaten innocent people? yeah he would never use a drug to help his performance

Lyle Alzado's doctors even said steroids didn't cause his death WATCH THE ****ING VIDEO I POSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are owned

 

[tmpgstx]

Notice the steroid users are in major denial here. Arnold did use steroids and YES IT WAS due to steroid use, or at least he thought so. He did admit to using them thru 1991, so you're WRONG Silverback. I'm not going to tit-for-tat with you over something so obvious.

Alzado didn't die from steroids?? LOL ..you have to be really naive or in major denial not to believe this. Only an idiot would make a case against that. Everybody knows it, don't deny it or do some research.

I'm 34 - am big and ripped WITHOUT steroids. I look like a professional bodybuilder and EARNED it thru hard work and dedication.

Sure, you still have to work hard on steroids ESP, but you have to work even harder or have the genetics to get the same results without them.

At 34, i'm getting bigger and stronger than ever. Benching a few hundred pounds several reps, curling 170 several times etc. I'm not bragging, just want it to inspire those who are not on steroids. It can be done. Just persevere.

This is all i'm saying on topic, because i know i'm right.

 

[doctoroxygen]

Well, evidently, a court and/or jury saw no link involving steroids and Schwarzenegger's operation; moreover, he was operated on nearly 10 years ago...still alive and kicking...running the state of CA.

My grandmother has been smoking since she was 17 and is still smoking at 85. She does not have lung cancer. Smoking does not cause lung cancer?

 

[TheSplat]

I'm 34 - am big and ripped WITHOUT steroids. I look like a professional bodybuilder and EARNED it thru hard work and dedication.

You look like a professional bodybuilder without any sort of hormone supplementation? Maybe a middleweight. No way you're a ripped 250 lbs.

 

[Warboss Alex]

You look like a professional bodybuilder without any sort of hormone supplementation? Maybe a middleweight. No way you're a ripped 250 lbs.

of course it's possible. I know white guys who are 280lbs, ripped, and natural. genetics will always outweigh steroid use or abuse.

Hell, I'm in the heavier weight classes (not shredded but fairly hard) and all natural.

 

[Lifeforce]

tmpgstx claims he bever used steroids yet looks "like a professional bodybuilder."

Now, sure: There are a few big, ripped "country-fed" guys who are natural, but, IMO, there are absolutely NO competitive professional bodybuilders who are natural.

I can't recall a single old-school (i.e. from the 60's and 70's) professional BB who comes close to measuring up to the likes of today's BB's...the guys of yesteryear were mostly natural; the guys of today are juiced. You easily see the difference in pictures. Why weren't there any Ronnie Colemans or Arnolds walking around back in the 50's and 60's?

Hey, you could even compare Arnold's physique to Ronnie Coleman's. Arnold looks skinny compared to Ronnie!

Training has evolved since the sixties and so has the gear people use. You think they only use steroids? Get a grip dude. Ever wondered about all the GH guts and **** which has come up on the stages lately?

Arnold was a genetic freak, he'd be alot bigger if he'd been able to use the gear of today. Arnold also retired in his prime, he could have become alot bigger than he was. Not mentioning the hulk, if he had the heart and the right substances he could probably be the biggest bber ever to walk the stage.

There are competive bbers who are natural. Of course they are smaller than the steroid physiques on the olympia stage but they are still pros.

 

[Silverback82]

Notice the steroid users are in major denial here. Arnold did use steroids and YES IT WAS due to steroid use, or at least he thought so. He did admit to using them thru 1991, so you're WRONG Silverback. I'm not going to tit-for-tat with you over something so obvious.

Alzado didn't die from steroids?? LOL ..you have to be really naive or in major denial not to believe this. Only an idiot would make a case against that. Everybody knows it, don't deny it or do some research.

I'm 34 - am big and ripped WITHOUT steroids. I look like a professional bodybuilder and EARNED it thru hard work and dedication.

Sure, you still have to work hard on steroids ESP, but you have to work even harder or have the genetics to get the same results without them.

At 34, i'm getting bigger and stronger than ever. Benching a few hundred pounds several reps, curling 170 several times etc. I'm not bragging, just want it to inspire those who are not on steroids. It can be done. Just persevere.

This is all i'm saying on topic, because i know i'm right.

I'm not a user

learn to read and watch the vid, Alzado's DOCTORS said steroids had nothing to do with it, i guess his doctors are idiots

I never said arnold didn't use steroids up to 91, again LEARN TO READ and no he or his doctors never said steroids were to blame people get heart surgery every day are they on steroids too?

no you don't look like a pro without steroids that isn't possible

 

[Silverback82]

My grandmother has been smoking since she was 17 and is still smoking at 85. She does not have lung cancer. Smoking does not cause lung cancer?

scientific studies say smoking causes cancer

where are the scientific studies proving steroids cause cancer? they don't exist

 

[doctoroxygen]

scientific studies say smoking causes cancer

where are the scientific studies proving steroids cause cancer? they don't exist

I never said steroids cause cancer...? I posted a study that suggest steroids have harmful effects on the heart.

Another thing to keep in mind: a review of the literature in 2005 showed that current studies do not address the effects of the actual quantity of steroids used by athletes and bodybuilders, but rather much smaller doses. It's likely, then, that if there are harmful side effects at these comparatively small levels, there would be a greater number of worse side effects shown in studies that used actual bodybuilding doses.

 

[blinkwatt101]

Let me set some things straight....

NOT ALL STEROIDS ARE TEST. BASED,nor does every steroid need to be cycled with test. So your balls don't shrink,pending on your cycle. Someone VERY VERY close to me took 40mg/day of Anavar and gained 4lbs of muscle in a month and a half after everything was said and done 4 months down the road. Read 4lbs of muscle can take up to a year to gain naturally and Anavar is the safest steroid available but damn costly for the gains.

FYI the Doctor who claimed Arnold's' heart surgery was related to steroids sued and lost $50k in court,of course by Arnold. It was due to a known family issue involving a heart valve(or rather lack of one he didn't have).

Taking steroids makes oyu less than a man? Hardly. Everyone I know who has taken them has poured their hearts out in the gym for at least 2 years, knew how to eat and did their research prior to cycling.

As far as sports....it's in everything. What's the difference between using a steroid to gain muscle and a college student taking prescription medication to stay awake to study and cram for exams?

@ Warboss Alex....bull****. Franco weighed 180 at 5 7" ready for Mr Olympia. Arnold weighed 230 at 6 2 or 6 3" if I remember correctly and he had the best physique mankind has seen to date. None of your friends at 280 are all muscle and ripped. Sorry but there fat on them if they weight that much.

 

[white sox bill]

Check my age out...I'll be the big 50 in a few months. Been using steroids with proper cycling since 1983. Been using GH for last 4 yrs. I've retired from bodybuilding competitions but lately been getting the bug to compete in the NPC again.

PED's have been getting the bad rap since the beginning of time. As one poster said, there is USE and ABUSE. Ever watch the HBO sports documentary on steroids?? It may have been posted here. If not, I will find it and post. It basically said that IF you are an adult MALE with NO pre-existing health issues AND you cycle properly, you are almost guaranteed to have NO health problems period. The people who have either died or gotten sick have had pre-existing conditions long before they juiced.

Lyle Alzado didn't die from steroids. HE thought he did. But his Dr is on record as saying he didn't. Of the quarter century of juicing and knowing well over 100 people who did anabolics, I can honestly say that i've had ONE friend who died. He was 31 and had prior heart problems. He had a hole in his aorta. His name was Ric and he did everything wrong. I competed against him, he was huge. His Dr told him don't drink, dont smoke weed, don't do Coke. So what did Ric do? He drank, got high and snorted Coke. Little wonder he died. And yes steroids contributed (not sole cause)to his early death.

Now I'm not condoning their use. That's an individual choice. I would be at least 22 and have several yrs of natural training first. Have regular blood work. If you can't afford that, eat clean calories, drink sparingly and live an otherwise clean life. You will be fine.

Its funny to note that a few individuals that have had problems have taken the black market steroids that are not Pharmaceutical grade. Sometimes they are not steroids at all. When US made steroids a controlled substance back in the early 90's, they opened up a pandoras box. People immediately went to the black market and rolled the dice. Anther case of failed US Policy gone bad.

Like my workout partner has a shirt that says:"The only thing that grows naturally are plants"