An interesting comment to the "All the Single Ladies" essay

[zekko]

The point is that people are using a set of cultural and moral assumptions that came about as an adaptation to a different set of circumstances. The circumstances have changed, so naturally it follows that our morality and expectations should also change.

I do agree that values and expectations change with culture. It makes sense that since the marriage age of women has increased, that they will have more sex partners. But there's a difference between sleeping with a few boyfriends, and maybe some other guys to experiment, compared to going out to the club every week and screwing some new random guy every Saturday night.

I would say that the majority of people do not hold strong morals or values, so they naturally blow around more easily on the winds of cutural change and technologies.

However, having grown up during the sexual revolution, I'd say it was not so much a case of the older people abandoning or changing their values, it was more the younger people were coming up with their own agenda. That's where the generation gap came from, partly.

I'm glad none of your LTR's cheated on you (if that is true at all, I must add...)

I never said none of my LTRs cheated on me. It's possible my high school girlfriend did, I don't really know. But I was pretty young then, and it hasn't been a recurring problem with me. You can never know for sure, of course, but I'm pretty certain that neither my ex-wife or girlfriend cheated. I lived with both of them, knew their personalities as well as their comings and goings, and I believe it is highly unlikely. I picked them not only because of their faithful nature, but because of their high interest in me.

I know if you are the type to cheat, or don't value commitment, it's probably difficult to believe that there are girls out there who think differently. But they're out there, even Lex admits that.

You're taking my statements extremely out of context. I'm not advocating anarchy and my statements are certainly not meant towards every possible human interaction that takes place in society...

And Zekko, I'm STILL waiting for an example. Are you ever gonna give it?

I gave you the example I was thinking of when I wrote my original statement. Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.

I do think we're having two different conversations though. I'm thinking of defending morality on very broad terms, whereas you seem to be talking about something more specific, although this was not initially clear to me.

 

[Die Hard]

I gave you the example I was thinking of when I wrote my original statement. Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.

??? Then I must be blind, coz I don't see it. I'm sure you are just avoiding my question... If not, then please quote yourself where you supposedly gave your example.

 

[Lexington]

You know I was just kidding around, but come to think of it....this would make an interesting debate.

Peter North is not an alpha.

We're always talking about how the archetypal "alpha" is muscular and has a lot of testosterone. You gotta admit, Peter North has the kind of body most guys here wish they had and given how long he's been performing, he's obviously not short on testosterone. Seeing as he's fvcked thousands of girls on camera, he obviously has the tools to perform....

Oh, and he's a multi millionaire. Sure he did some gay porn back in the 80s....but most girls don't know that, do they? And even if they did, would they really care?

And it doesn't matter who Tito can beat up, he might be the biggest AFC UFC in the world.

Honestly, do you think Tito Ortiz couldn't walk into a lot of bars and easily pull? He's a 6'2, well-built 230 lb guy who is famous and he became a millionaire by beating the crap out of professional fighters.

I'm pretty sure Tito would "AMOG" everybody in most bars (unless Chuck Liddell was there!). No one would fvck with him, in fact a lot of guys would kiss his ass and ask him for his autograph. So let's see....bad boy rep, money, fame/status. I'm sure he'd have a real hard time finding himself a horny frat girl!

Just saying

 

[backbreaker]

I do agree that values and expectations change with culture. It makes sense that since the marriage age of women has increased, that they will have more sex partners. But there's a difference between sleeping with a few boyfriends, and maybe some other guys to experiment, compared to going out to the club every week and screwing some new random guy every Saturday night.

I would say that the majority of people do not hold strong morals or values, so they naturally blow around more easily on the winds of cutural change and technologies.

However, having grown up during the sexual revolution, I'd say it was not so much a case of the older people abandoning or changing their values, it was more the younger people were coming up with their own agenda. That's where the generation gap came from, partly.


I never said none of my LTRs cheated on me. It's possible my high school girlfriend did, I don't really know. But I was pretty young then, and it hasn't been a recurring problem with me. You can never know for sure, of course, but I'm pretty certain that neither my ex-wife or girlfriend cheated. I lived with both of them, knew their personalities as well as their comings and goings, and I believe it is highly unlikely. I picked them not only because of their faithful nature, but because of their high interest in me.

I know if you are the type to cheat, or don't value commitment, it's probably difficult to believe that there are girls out there who think differently. But they're out there, even Lex admits that.


I gave you the example I was thinking of when I wrote my original statement. Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.

I do think we're having two different conversations though. I'm thinking of defending morality on very broad terms, whereas you seem to be talking about something more specific, although this was not initially clear to me.

here is my deal....

debating on if a woman is a "cheater" or if she is just a flaky broad who is going to leave you when she finds someone better or not is debating the difference between freebase and crack. it's the same damn thing at the end of the day.

does it really matter if she actually put the guys **** in her mouth before she told you she "needed time to think about it"?

so in that sense i don't get all the hysteria about cheaters and morality as much as i do about just flaky ass women

by that token you would look at a woman who has not had a solid relationship over 6 months in the last 10 years but has never technically cheated on a guy over a girl who has had 3 relationships of 2 years plus and one of the 3 she had an affair with.


i knew a girl that dated a guy for 3 years but would go out to eat with any guy that would pay for it. would kiss a few guys too. but never actually had sex. I'm just saying you are trying to for whatever the reason may be try to make this moral ground that just is ont there. every woman has to be treated as an individual circumstance.

 

[backbreaker]

I KNOW THIS IS QUITE RANDOM but there is a big need for male escorts. this thread made me realize that. women need to be able to **** discreetly.

but all the male escort services are doing it wrong. women don't fvck for hte sake of fvcking like men do. women fvck a fantasy. women want the fireman tos how up at her house and make sure everything is okay then strip down and eat her out.

 

[Findog]

You know I was just kidding around, but come to think of it....this would make an interesting debate.



We're always talking about how the archetypal "alpha" is muscular and has a lot of testosterone. You gotta admit, Peter North has the kind of body most guys here wish they had and given how long he's been performing, he's obviously not short on testosterone. Seeing as he's fvcked thousands of girls on camera, he obviously has the tools to perform....

Oh, and he's a multi millionaire. Sure he did some gay porn back in the 80s....but most girls don't know that, do they? And even if they did, would they really care?



Honestly, do you think Tito Ortiz couldn't walk into a lot of bars and easily pull? He's a 6'2, well-built 230 lb guy who is famous and he became a millionaire by beating the crap out of professional fighters.

I'm pretty sure Tito would "AMOG" everybody in most bars (unless Chuck Liddell was there!). No one would fvck with him, in fact a lot of guys would kiss his ass and ask him for his autograph. So let's see....bad boy rep, money, fame/status. I'm sure he'd have a real hard time finding himself a horny frat girl!

Just saying

Have you seen Jenna Jameson lately? He could do a LOT better than a former porn star that has seen many better days.

 

[ebracer05]

I KNOW THIS IS QUITE RANDOM but there is a big need for male escorts. this thread made me realize that. women need to be able to **** discreetly.

but all the male escort services are doing it wrong. women don't fvck for hte sake of fvcking like men do. women fvck a fantasy. women want the fireman tos how up at her house and make sure everything is okay then strip down and eat her out.

American Gigalo with Richard Gere. He does it right.

 

[scrouds]

I KNOW THIS IS QUITE RANDOM but there is a big need for male escorts. this thread made me realize that. women need to be able to **** discreetly.

but all the male escort services are doing it wrong. women don't fvck for hte sake of fvcking like men do. women fvck a fantasy. women want the fireman tos how up at her house and make sure everything is okay then strip down and eat her out.

You can even hire some women to go out for first interviews, see what they like and what they want and match it all up.

 

[zekko]

I KNOW THIS IS QUITE RANDOM but there is a big need for male escorts. this thread made me realize that. women need to be able to **** discreetly.

but all the male escort services are doing it wrong. women don't fvck for hte sake of fvcking like men do. women fvck a fantasy. women want the fireman tos how up at her house and make sure everything is okay then strip down and eat her out.

Maybe you've found your next business, BB.