Amazon used attractive, flirty anti-union consultants to try to bust union formation

[EyeBRollin]

The government didnt have a deficit until fiat was instituted.

Lol.

 

[Bigpapa]

Union in theory is a good thing as it gives more protection to its members than everyone being on their own

if companies would be left to do what they want , then the vast majority of them will treat like crap their workers and make deals between them to keep low the salaries

Read the bellow article from the economist


When companies give high salaries or a really or anything related to this to their employees , they do not do it out of the kindness of their heart

basically both capitalism and communism are flawed ideas

How MBA-wielding bosses boost profits

Not by increasing sales, investment or productivity

www.economist.com

 

[HaleyBaron]

basically both capitalism and communism are flawed ideas

Capitalism is never flawed. Capitalism is the default format of the human barter system. It is the raw form of exchange and trade. Communism is when someone goes "I think I can do capitalism better than everyone else participating in the system."

 

[Bigpapa]

Capitalism is never flawed. Capitalism is the default format of the human barter system. It is the raw form of exchange and trade. Communism is when someone goes "I think I can do capitalism better than everyone else participating in the system."

I think the default format of the human system is violence , which again is flawed

the golden age of human kind was from the renascence in Florence till like the civil war in America .

except for some nasty incidents like slavery for example , that period Was about the humans . That was the golden age of human development

that Period was a mixture between capitalism and socialism

capitalism is flawed because the essence of it is money , which puts on 2nd place the humans

 

[Xenom0rph]

Our current system of capitalism is flawed because we've adopted fiat currency, which means the government can print limitless amounts of monopoly money and give it to their elite friends while everyone else's wealth is diminished.

Only when the Petro-Dollar is crushed will democracy and freedom be restored.

 

[Bigpapa]

Our current system of capitalism is flawed because we've adopted fiat currency, which means the government can print limitless amounts of monopoly money and give it to their elite friends while everyone else's wealth is diminished.

Only when the Petro-Dollar is crushed will democracy and freedom be restored.

there will never be democracy as long as people can not pass on to the new generation their wealth Or power .

look at most of the politicians from the developed countries . They are run by the same family more or less for dozens of years

look also at the private companies , those who are successful entrepreneurs come from families that are rich , or those who are corporate leaders also come from families that have a long history about having high end jobs within the corporate environment

Everything that takes into consideration what your parents did is flawed , as it will create a lot of advantages for those who come from a privileged background , while the rest will have to be “lucky” or take high risks in order to get in the same place

the average mba is 70k a year , and a bachelors degree is 40k per year .

that means that only the tuition is 140k + 160k , which is 300k . But let”s also assume that you are a good student and you get a scholarship of 50% . You have to pay 150k for education .

let”s also assume that you will live like a dog during eduction years , so you will spend only 25k per year . That is another 150k

so all in all , if you are a really good student the education part is 300k

if you also add that you have to be a straight A student to get here and so on , so basically you will only study till you are 30

let”s say that you will make 200k per year after , but you will also have to live in a big city and want to pay your student debt by the time you are 40 , so in 10 years

it means that you will make 10k per month , it means that you have to put 2.5k only towards tuition every month which basically will mean that you will live from month to month more or less till you are 40

again , this is just a very simplistic and optimistic way of seeing things , and more or less it shows very well why mainly at the top schools you will mainly have rich kids

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Unions, at face value, are great things. Rich white CEOs don't care about workers, so someone has to.

The problem becomes paying unskilled labor 3x what they are worth, "just because" and protecting lazy people who do little to no work to the point it's impossible to get rid of them just because they are in a union.

 

[HaleyBaron]

capitalism is flawed because the essence of it is money

Wrong again. Capitalism has nothing to do with money. Money is just one form of exchange. Actually, what we have now are promises, not actual valuable things. The saying "it's worth as much as the paper it is printed on" rings true. Most of us are dumb for using green dollars to exchange things, no less digital fiat currency. When we were backed by gold, everything had a lot more value cause it was consistent and they couldn't cheat economics like they do now. Btw, fiat is socialism/ communism, not capitalism. The reason:

• Centralized.
• Regulated
• Does not follow supply or demand.

These three traits is why we are not on capitalism atm.

 

[Bigpapa]

Wrong again. Capitalism has nothing to do with money. Money is just one form of exchange. Actually, what we have now are promises, not actual valuable things. The saying "it's worth as much as the paper it is printed on" rings true. Most of us are dumb for using green dollars to exchange things, no less digital fiat currency. When we were backed by gold, everything had a lot more value cause it was consistent and they couldn't cheat economics like they do now. Btw, fiat is socialism/ communism, not capitalism. The reason:

• Centralized.
• Regulated
• Does not follow supply or demand.

These three traits is why we are not on capitalism atm.

when everything was backed by gold , rich men were still rich , while poor people were poor

same as it is now

becoming rich in capitalism means that you gain power , and power is given not taken by force (unless you do not go through a bloody civil war )

Like everyone who are running the show , you would rather maintain the power inside the family rather than giving it to a stranger

 

[HaleyBaron]

when everything was backed by gold , rich men were still rich , while poor people were poor

same as it is now

becoming rich in capitalism means that you gain power , and power is given not taken by force (unless you do not go through a bloody civil war )

Like everyone who are running the show , you would rather maintain the power inside the family rather than giving it to a stranger

The thing about the topic of economists is that I can out everyone who never studied or engaged in it themselves.

Listen, Bigpapa, everything you say is what every naive person has said when it comes to this topic. The same talking points, the same fictional backing, and no evidence to the contrary.

• When everything is backed by gold, the economy becomes based on precious metals. Which is why gold, silver, and copper were the norm. And a for a time, brass.
• The difference between communism and capitalism in regards to power, in the former, only a few can become powerful. In the latter, everyone has a chance to. As for the tirade about power taken by force, that is something only socialist/ communists do as an ironic point.
• as for familial power, that power still comes from using their resources to pay others to maintain status quo, and that payment is the capitalist exchange of wealth through wages that others can use as they see fit, often to raise their own power, too.

 

[lost_blackbird]

People who don't know that Amazon workers literally pee in bottles because they don't get breaks and Amazon was forced to admit that's not just a rumor.

Oh, so my lived experience of being an Amazon worker last year is irrelevant then? Never had to pee in a bottle once.
And I was an agency worker, so fewer rights than Amazons own staff. Yeah it was hard work, that's why it's called work.
It's worse where I am now working in one of the "big 4" supermarkets distribution centres where I actually wear an arm
mounted terminal that constantly reminds me of my "performance" during a shift. I think 80% is my best to date. Too many
low numbers and you're investigated and followed by facial recognition cameras which automatically track you as you move
around the HUGE facility. They are in the break room and the locker room too. They will see where it is you are losing time
and be on you like a ton of bricks if you are seen chatting or dossing when you should be picking. On topic, I work directly
for this organisation, there is a union. I opted to not join it. TBH I preferred it at Amazon.

 

[Bigpapa]

The thing about the topic of economists is that I can out everyone who never studied or engaged in it themselves.

Listen, Bigpapa, everything you say is what every naive person has said when it comes to this topic. The same talking points, the same fictional backing, and no evidence to the contrary.

• When everything is backed by gold, the economy becomes based on precious metals. Which is why gold, silver, and copper were the norm. And a for a time, brass.
• The difference between communism and capitalism in regards to power, in the former, only a few can become powerful. In the latter, everyone has a chance to. As for the tirade about power taken by force, that is something only socialist/ communists do as an ironic point.
• as for familial power, that power still comes from using their resources to pay others to maintain status quo, and that payment is the capitalist exchange of wealth through wages that others can use as they see fit, often to raise their own power, too.

I agree with you till a point .

it is said that anyone can take power in capitalism , which is very true . But only at the beginning of it

After a while , groups of power will be created that will use their resources to keep the power that they got

if this would not be the case , than we would not have the same people ( or people from their family tree running the show )

research most of the politicians , bankers , business people . They all come from families that had money / power . Every powerful person wants to create a dynasty

sure , there are also self made people , but overall this guys are a minority , and most likely it happened mainly because they were lucky

that is why capitalism is flawed , because when people talk about it they do not take into consideration the group of powers that never really give away the power

 

[HaleyBaron]

I agree with you till a point .

it is said that anyone can take power in capitalism , which is very true . But only at the beginning of it

After a while , groups of power will be created that will use their resources to keep the power that they got

if this would not be the case , than we would not have the same people ( or people from their family tree running the show )

research most of the politicians , bankers , business people . They all come from families that had money / power . Every powerful person wants to create a dynasty

sure , there are also self made people , but overall this guys are a minority , and most likely it happened mainly because they were lucky

that is why capitalism is flawed , because when people talk about it they do not take into consideration the group of powers that never really give away the power

Capitalism allowing people to use the government to create socialist policies to lower competition is not a feature of capitalism. This happens in socialism and especially communism. What you're describing happens regardless of the system. The only way to remove that is to kill all human beings.

The difference with capitalism is that it allows people to compete for power, resulting in keeping power in check. That's why one moment oil companies were on top, and the next now it's green energy companies. That's a modern example of why capitalism is good. Multiple powerful people with their own agendas are competing for the government's influence. Another example is the internet: it was almost made into a public utility until Trump came in and got rid of the Obama bill. Again, another example of the benefit of capitalism.

What you want is a world where people don't take advantage of each other and that will never be. We here on SS are to teach people like you how to survive in that kind of world. One of the mistakes you make is calling capitalism bad. No, my friend, capitalism is the friend of all men. And you need to learn and accept the world for what it is in order to learn to navigate it.

 

[Bigpapa]

Capitalism allowing people to use the government to create socialist policies to lower competition is not a feature of capitalism. This happens in socialism and especially communism. What you're describing happens regardless of the system. The only way to remove that is to kill all human beings.

The difference with capitalism is that it allows people to compete for power, resulting in keeping power in check. That's why one moment oil companies were on top, and the next now it's green energy companies. That's a modern example of why capitalism is good. Multiple powerful people with their own agendas are competing for the government's influence. Another example is the internet: it was almost made into a public utility until Trump came in and got rid of the Obama bill. Again, another example of the benefit of capitalism.

What you want is a world where people don't take advantage of each other and that will never be. We here on SS are to teach people like you how to survive in that kind of world. One of the mistakes you make is calling capitalism bad. No, my friend, capitalism is the friend of all men. And you need to learn and accept the world for what it is in order to learn to navigate it.

look at Europe vs America

Europeans are wealthier on average than Americans are

sure , they do not have extreme cases of super super billionaires , but on average the European life is way better than the American one . This happens because they do not have the extreme poverty cases that quite a significant proportion of the Americans have

In Europe you do not have the savage capitalism that you have in US . Europe is a hybrid between socialism and capitalism .

also , since you are into economics . You know why Obama pushed the Obama care ?

hint ; it has nothing to do with socialism

 

[HaleyBaron]

look at Europe vs America

Europeans are wealthier on average than Americans are

sure , they do not have extreme cases of super super billionaires , but on average the European life is way better than the American one . This happens because they do not have the extreme poverty cases that quite a significant proportion of the Americans have

In Europe you do not have the savage capitalism that you have in US . Europe is a hybrid between socialism and capitalism .

also , since you are into economics . You know why Obama pushed the Obama care ?

hint ; it has nothing to do with socialism

America has more millionaires per capita than all countries in the world. That is a lie about Europe. Europe is a socialist hellhole of high taxes and regulations. No one can be wealthy in that environment.

Obama care was a socialist nuke on the medical industry.

 

[Bigpapa]

America has more millionaires per capita than all countries in the world. That is a lie about Europe. Europe is a socialist hellhole of high taxes and regulations. No one can be wealthy in that environment.

Obama care was a socialist nuke on the medical industry.

sorry man , but you have no idea how economics works

Was talking with an American friend , he used to live in different big cities in America prior to coming to Madrid , Spain .

he earns now 65k euros , which is like 3.8k euro net per month , and his last salary in Chicago was 150k . Which is like almost 8k dollars net

he said that he has a bit higher standard of living in Madrid than he had in Chicago , even though there he was making like double the money

Have no idea from where you get your ideas from , but for sure they are more on the extremist spectrum

also , the Obama care was about health insurance becoming so expensive that healthy people would choose not to have one for the time they are healthy , and only do one once they started having health problems

As an economic concept , this is described by the lemons market , an idea that was developed by Joseph Stieglitz ( one of the best economics in our times ) and is based on the data asymmetry

the sole point was actually to save the American healthcare industry , not to destroy it as you think

America is a social ticking bomb amigo coming from all angles

 

[HaleyBaron]

he earns now 65k euros , which is like 3.8k euro net per month , and his last salary in Chicago was 150k

Chicago is a mini socialist nightmare. He does not speak for the rest of the country. Having an American friend as your only experience of America wealth is beyond naive.

Have no idea from where you get your ideas from , but for sure they are more on the extremist spectrum

There is nothing extreme about basic economics.

also , the Obama care was about health insurance becoming so expensive that healthy people would choose not to have one for the time they are healthy , and only do one once they started having health problems

No, obamacare was about monopolizing healthcare to increase revenue for the government while pricing out other companies.

 

[Bigpapa]

Chicago is a mini socialist nightmare. He does not speak for the rest of the country. Having an American friend as your only experience of America wealth is beyond naive.

Have no idea from where you get your ideas from , but for sure they are more on the extremist spectrum

There is nothing extreme about basic economics.

also , the Obama care was about health insurance becoming so expensive that healthy people would choose not to have one for the time they are healthy , and only do one once they started having health problems

No, obamacare was about monopolizing healthcare to increase revenue for the government while pricing out other companies.

you can compare any city in the world with this tool , and it has way more data references than my experience ( especially for the big cities )

Cost of Living Comparison Between Madrid, Spain And Chicago, IL, United States

www.numbeo.com

 

[HaleyBaron]

you can compare any city in the world with this tool , and it has way more data references than my experience ( especially for the big cities )

Cost of Living Comparison Between Madrid, Spain And Chicago, IL, United States

www.numbeo.com

Context matters. Always.

 

[Bigpapa]

Context matters. Always.

you can put it in whatever context you want , Europeans have a higher standard of living than Americans

plus , as a context , everything that has to do with luxury items mostly come from Europe

so I guess that Europeans knows a thing or two about how to live life too