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Amazon used attractive, flirty anti-union consultants to try to bust union formation

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According to Spence, several male co-workers had grown fond of a female consultant who liked to chat them up: “all the guys in her department were in love with her.” When union organizers started bad-mouthing her as a union buster, the men defended her.

But the organizers produced copies of her disclosure filings showing she had raked in nearly $20,000 for just one week of union avoidance work.

"They felt betrayed,” he said.
 

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Anything to destroy unions is a plus in my book.
 

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Guess I do not understand how an attractive person could make me vote or do something. Doubtful they were fvcking the dudes they were talking to at the union drive. I must say, some dudes, at any age, think more with their penis than their brains. Never understood how a prettier female could make anyone do something they didn't want. Don't do it for me.
 

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Unions provide average men the bargaining power to earn an honest wage. Aka, they are beneficial for most people, detrimental to top earning people.

Attractive people sell. That’s backed up empirically.
 

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Unions, at face value, are great things. Rich white CEOs don't care about workers, so someone has to.
First off, since you're going there, I imagine many of the CEOs you are referring to are jewish, not white (yes, there is a difference).

As for this situation, I think the issue is having tech guys (who are somewhat antisocial by nature) like Bezos and Musk running physical-labor intense workplaces like factories and warehouses that pay, unlike IT, sh1t wages for how hard the workers are worked.
 

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Unions, at face value, are great things. Rich white CEOs don't care about workers, so someone has to.
Communism is great at face value. It never works out like that. Also, rich white CEOs work at unions, too.
 

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Communism is great at face value. It never works out like that. Also, rich white CEOs work at unions, too.
The richest 85 people on the planet have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion. CEO compensation has increased 940% since 1978. Typical worker compensation has risen only 12% in that same period of time.

Trickle down economics doesn't work. It doesn't work, because CEOs and those at the top take their tax breaks and give themselves bigger bonuses. They don't use those tax breaks to create new jobs or give workers raises.
 

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The richest 85 people on the planet have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion. CEO compensation has increased 940% since 1978. Typical worker compensation has risen only 12% in that same period of time.

Trickle down economics doesn't work. It doesn't work, because CEOs and those at the top take their tax breaks and give themselves bigger bonuses. They don't use those tax breaks to create new jobs or give workers raises.
I hear this over and over from people who have said the same argument.

Newsflash: most Ceos are in their position because they know how to make a rich company keep making money. I guarantee if you were placed in a CEOs position, for say Coca Cola for instance, you will not be able to juggle the same responsibility as the current one.
 

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I hear this over and over from people who have said the same argument.

Newsflash: most Ceos are in their position because they know how to make a rich company keep making money. I guarantee if you were placed in a CEOs position, for say Coca Cola for instance, you will not be able to juggle the same responsibility as the current one.
What responsibility is that? Treating employees like sh*t?

Many of them do make their company money, on the backs of the workers they largely ignore. Kellogg's is a perfect example. Now, you'll probably start regurgitating Republican talking points in about 2 minutes.
 

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I hear this over and over from people who have said the same argument.

Newsflash: most Ceos are in their position because they know how to make a rich company keep making money. I guarantee if you were placed in a CEOs position, for say Coca Cola for instance, you will not be able to juggle the same responsibility as the current one.
Do you even know what a CEO does? Just like most managers they don't actually do anything besides attend a bunch of meetings and delegate tasks.

Companies could save so much money if they got rid of all the useless middle managers and CEOs.
 

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What responsibility is that? Treating employees like sh*t?

Many of them do make their company money, on the backs of the workers they largely ignore. Kellogg's is a perfect example. Now, you'll probably start regurgitating Republican talking points in about 2 minutes.
OOoh, you're one of those guys who assume Im republican cause I defend CEOs. I'm going to save us both time and stop replying to you.

Do you even know what a CEO does? Just like most managers they don't actually do anything besides attend a bunch of meetings and delegate tasks.

Companies could save so much money if they got rid of all the useless middle managers and CEOs.
Yes, I do. None of you are CEO material.
 

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Yes, I do. None of you are CEO material
I'm sure if you keep sucking up to them you will become a CEO too!

The truth is we don't need managers or CEOs to work. Only a moron thinks they provide anything of value to a company.
 

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I'm sure if you keep sucking up to them you will become a CEO too!

The truth is we don't need managers or CEOs to work. Only a moron thinks they provide anything of value to a company.
They provide enough value to the point that they are paid the amount of money they get to be in that position. Now why aren't you in the same position?
 

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I think some unions can do a lot of good. And others can do a lot of damage.
depends really the ones I know and worked with for the last decade are all criminals, and that is to be polite. only thing they cared about was filling they own pockets, had tales of one of then damaging the workers so they could sue the employer later, and of course they would use they union lawyers who would get a cut.

end game is the ones who want a union normally are lazy and are not really willing to change jobs if they need or want a better pay, it was always a good practice you never settle for too long in a job, the moment you feel you are underpaid its the time to search for a better one, the moment a workplace can never keep good people because on how much they pay it the time they change or close
 

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I'm sure if you keep sucking up to them you will become a CEO too!

The truth is we don't need managers or CEOs to work. Only a moron thinks they provide anything of value to a company.
Are CEOs worthless? Hell yes they are.

Are they stupid? Hell no, they're not. They've mastered the art of getting paid at least $500k/yr for essentially doing nothing other than attending meetings and drinking coffee....

...that's actually a superpower that most people will never master.... So in that regard, they deserve respect....
 

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Anything to destroy unions is a plus in my book.
This is one of the good unions that will prevent Amazon from enslaving their retail and warehouse workers. These companies would have everyone working 12 hours a day 7 days a week if they could.

The bad Unions are the ones like the Oil Unions that supported Joe Biden who then immediately cancelled their pipeline and put them out of work.
Or the teachers unions that want to ruin kids educations so the teachers can work from home.
 

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Do you even know what a CEO does? Just like most managers they don't actually do anything besides attend a bunch of meetings and delegate tasks.

Companies could save so much money if they got rid of all the useless middle managers and CEOs.
I'm sure if you keep sucking up to them you will become a CEO too!

The truth is we don't need managers or CEOs to work. Only a moron thinks they provide anything of value to a company.
I do agree that there's many different useless bureaucrats like the vice-assistant to the dean that a college near me has. (The Dean's assistant has their own assistant?)

But I wouldn't go as far as saying that all managers and CEOs are useless. I certainly don't know how to run an organization of dozens to hundreds to thousands of employees. If I did I would start a new Mafia.

I think if a company did an experiment where the managers didn't show up for a month, by the end of the month all the employees would be smoking weed and playing poker their whole shift lol.
 

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“If capitalism is fair then unionism must be. If men and women have a right to capitalize their ideas and the resources of their country, then that implies the right of men and women to capitalize their labor.”

Frank Lloyd Wright
 
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