Am i overdosing on fish oil?

[spesmilitis]

This man speaks the truth. I noticed significant gains when I started having my friends beat the crap outta me after each workout. The madd soreness the day after resulted in madd gains 4 the gunz.

To all the newbs, that was a joke. Soreness is not an indicator of any type of athletic performance. Ask any accomplished athlete. Soreness will happen, but do not make soreness the goal. Make lifting numbers the goal.

I can make myself ultra sore by supersetting on machines and ignoring the major compound lifts. But that soreness won't gain me any significant strength.

ask anyone in top physical shape or any fitness professional with over 10 - 15 years experience about over dosing on fish oil and guess what kind of answer you will get.

You think you're in better shape than throttle, WBA, EFFORT, MrRuckus, ect? :crackup:

Unless they actively research this stuff (like the t-nation authors), professional athletes never confidently give these kind of details. They will just tell you 'it has works for me'. Sure, you'll give you general advice about exercise, diet, and supplementation, but never anything as specific as a supplement dosage. These details also vary significantly among athletes.

Nick Diaz who defeated Pride Light Weight Champion Takanori Gomi is a vegan. He did not receive the belt though, because it was a non-title fight. The result was also overturned because he was caught with marijuana in his system. Anyways, the point is, I doubt being vegan would work for everyone.

UFC light weight champion Sean Sherk takes 30 grams of fish oil a day btw. He has never recommended that dosage, but he will tell that it has worked for him.

It is interesting note that Sean Sherk is known for being the physically strongest in his weight class, while Nick Diaz has no apparently impressive physical attributes (except for decent stamina).

2 guys out of thousands of experts, you should have stopped along time ago.

Who are these 'thousands of experts'? What are their training backgrounds? What are their research backgrounds?

 

[Throttle]

Why ?

because appealing to authority is always a logical fallacy

 

[Throttle]

Just out of sheer interest (didn´t research fish oil):
Why would you want to get your omega3 out of saturated fat (fish oil) when you can get the same out of highly unsaturated fat (flax seed oil) ? Which is dirt cheap btw.

:crackup:

this doesn't even deserve a serious response.

 

[Omen]

:crackup:

this doesn't even deserve a serious response.

I'm kind of confused at that post myself, and i'm pretty smart. lol. Hmm....

 

[onthepath]

well i'm happy to report full recovery

just nervousness from never having done anything like this before, but glad to see i'm still taking the mega dose, upped it again to 30g

just one question, how can you stretch and work out the lower back/

those muscles are never being used by me, and after the slightest exertion of them, i'm in agony later unable to move properly which stuffs up all my workout plans

 

[Throttle]

I'm kind of confused at that post myself, and i'm pretty smart. lol. Hmm....

Actually, I'm not so much confused as saddened.

In the popular (at least American) conception, meat = saturated fat = bad for you. Both these equations happen to be either mostly or totally false.

You don't have to agree with everything written by these ladies http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html to understand that all fats are a mix of saturated and unsaturated fats of varying types. In fact, lard (so evil-sounding that we actually use lard-ass as an insult) is primarily a very healthy monounsaturated fat (granted, with lots of saturated fat mixed in).

so Rudra's strange comment doesn't confuse me -- it makes me weep for everyone who buys this bull**** and then tries to live it out.

 

[spesmilitis]

just one question, how can you stretch and work out the lower back/

those muscles are never being used by me, and after the slightest exertion of them, i'm in agony later unable to move properly which stuffs up all my workout plans

Ideally, they should be used only isometrically. That it, whenever weight try's to bend your back and lose your neutral arche, your lower back works to keep your back straight.

You use your glutes and legs, not your lowerback to pull weight. Use your glutes by thrusting them forward via squeezing your em together.
http://stronglifts.com/what-pulling-back-on-the-deadlift-really-means/
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-activate-the-glutes-to-fix-your-lower-back-pain/
http://stronglifts.com/5-reasons-your-lower-back-hurts-when-doing-deadlifts/

As for stretching the lower back, its not that important:
http://stronglifts.com/you-want-a-healthy-lower-back-stop-stretching-it/

Best exercises for strengthening your lower back: deadlifts, squats, reverse hyper extensions, and regular back extensions. There are also pull through and good mornings, I don't like em as much as the extensions, but many people swear by em. (am I missing anything?). Just remember to use the glutes and not lower back when doing these. Squeeze glutes and lead with the hips.

 

[spesmilitis]

You don't have to agree with everything written by these ladies http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html to understand that all fats are a mix of saturated and unsaturated fats of varying types.

I wish they wrote that article a little more professionally. Is has lots of great, well supported info, but, their writing does display some heavy bias.

The people who I show the article to would take it a lot more seriously if they would just removed this line:
"Pritikin may have saved himself from heart disease but his lowfat diet did not spare him from cancer. He died, in the prime of life, of suicide when he realized that his Spartan regime was not curing his leukemia. "

 

[onthepath]

Ideally, they should be used only isometrically. That it, whenever weight try's to bend your back and lose your neutral arche, your lower back works to keep your back straight.

You use your glutes and legs, not your lowerback to pull weight. Use your glutes by thrusting them forward via squeezing your em together.
http://stronglifts.com/what-pulling-back-on-the-deadlift-really-means/
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-activate-the-glutes-to-fix-your-lower-back-pain/
http://stronglifts.com/5-reasons-your-lower-back-hurts-when-doing-deadlifts/

As for stretching the lower back, its not that important:
http://stronglifts.com/you-want-a-healthy-lower-back-stop-stretching-it/

Best exercises for strengthening your lower back: deadlifts, squats, reverse hyper extensions, and regular back extensions. There are also pull through and good mornings, I don't like em as much as the extensions, but many people swear by em. (am I missing anything?). Just remember to use the glutes and not lower back when doing these. Squeeze glutes and lead with the hips.

cheers!

 

[Throttle]

"Pritikin may have saved himself from heart disease but his lowfat diet did not spare him from cancer. He died, in the prime of life, of suicide when he realized that his Spartan regime was not curing his leukemia. "

ya know, i could even go for a rephrase, making the last clause a questions (eg "He died in the prime of his life of suicide -- maybe he realized his lowfat diet couldn't cure his own cancer?")

one of the most likely risks of switching to omega-6 polys is an increased risk for all cancers (all poly fats are unstable and go rancid quickly -- any rancid oil, omega-3 or 6 or anything else -- is probably bad for you). the evidence isn't iron-clad but it's accumulating.

if you don't like that line, a significant proportion of their otherwise helpful cookbook "nourishing traditions" would probably annoy the crap out of you. Fallon goes off the deep end every 3rd or 4th page or so.

 

[kickureface]

you are what you eat.
better stay in the pool 24/7 if youre taking fish oil at all!!!!! TRANS FAT > FISH OIL

 

[spesmilitis]

ya know, i could even go for a rephrase, making the last clause a questions (eg "He died in the prime of his life of suicide -- maybe he realized his lowfat diet couldn't cure his own cancer?")

one of the most likely risks of switching to omega-6 polys is an increased risk for all cancers (all poly fats are unstable and go rancid quickly -- any rancid oil, omega-3 or 6 or anything else -- is probably bad for you). the evidence isn't iron-clad but it's accumulating.

if you don't like that line, a significant proportion of their otherwise helpful cookbook "nourishing traditions" would probably annoy the crap out of you. Fallon goes off the deep end every 3rd or 4th page or so.

Well, I don't like about that line is that it said he diet wasn't curing cancer. Not causing it. As far as I know, once you do have cancer, diet alone won't completely cure it. Also, mentioning the suicide, seems like scare tactics to me, something our movement doesn't need.

 

[Throttle]

fallon in particular is scared of everything. if there's an additive with negative hype attached to it, she reports it all verbatim: MSG, aspartame, all preservatives, all food coloring, and on and on.

I'm not saying there's no reason to avoid such things, but the way she uncritically reports such hype really puts her in the same camp for me as the folks who hype saturated fat as bad.

why the hype? stick to what we know, and establish the simple principle that the longer humans have been consuming it, the safer it probably is. that's much more honest than listing hundreds of maladies all attributed to a single compound.

 

[snowdog]

why would you eat fish oil?

 

[Omen]

Actually, I'm not so much confused as saddened.

In the popular (at least American) conception, meat = saturated fat = bad for you. Both these equations happen to be either mostly or totally false.

You don't have to agree with everything written by these ladies http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html to understand that all fats are a mix of saturated and unsaturated fats of varying types. In fact, lard (so evil-sounding that we actually use lard-ass as an insult) is primarily a very healthy monounsaturated fat (granted, with lots of saturated fat mixed in).

so Rudra's strange comment doesn't confuse me -- it makes me weep for everyone who buys this bull**** and then tries to live it out.

Well, I wasn't really confused, it was more of a... I'm confused as to why it was posted. More of a strange comment as you said.

 

[Drum&Bass]

stick with the conventional lowfat high carb low protein logic that has produced an overweight, unhealthy, heart disease-, diabetes- and Alzheimers-ridden society in America and across the globe too.

who said anything about low fat, high carb, low protein diet ??? how about moderate carb, fat and High protein with exercise ?

I have often said on this board to not overcombine fats and carbs in the same meal as you are presenting your body with two potential fuel sources. one will be stored and the other oxidised.

agreed

 

[Warboss Alex]

who said anything about low fat, high carb, low protein diet ??? how about moderate carb, fat and High protein with exercise ?

Admittedly I didn't know your particular dietary recommendations and I apologise for making presumptions.

It's just when you said 'thousands of experts', I assumed you'd give the usual 'expert' recommendation of mod protein, high carb, low fat.

(this is what was recommended to me some years ago from a qualified PT when I first started out - I was fat - to lose weight, and guess what? I got fatter )

What is your dietary approach then D&B?

 

[KarmaSutra]

Admittedly I didn't know your particular dietary recommendations and I apologise for making presumptions.

It's just when you said 'thousands of experts', I assumed you'd give the usual 'expert' recommendation of mod protein, high carb, low fat.

(this is what was recommended to me some years ago from a qualified PT when I first started out - I was fat - to lose weight, and guess what? I got fatter )

What is your dietary approach then D&B?

Warboss, how fat were you?

 

[Warboss Alex]

Warboss, how fat were you?

I was fairly pear-shaped if I remember rightly. can't remember numbers or anything like that. I just remember eating wholegrain bread, rice, oats etc for most meals of the day along with egg whites, milk(!!) and cottage cheese, **** like that (I followed the meal plan exactly).. I looked in the mirror one day and looked worse than I ever did.

that was my wakeup call, I ditched the PT, did some reading/experimenting of my own.. the rest is history.

 

[Drum&Bass]

What is your dietary approach then D&B?

4 - 5 meals a day

most of my clients won't eat clean, so I have to allow some kind of leeway.
If they are going to eat bread, rice or pasta (all whole grain) do it early and/or before training as far as portions I usually tell them what ever fits in your fist is how much you should eat (rice/pasta) and combine that with veggies and meat or egg whites.

as the day gets later its beef, chicken, fish, egg whites, veggies and cottage cheese(1% no salt).

also:whey with solid food, multi's and fish oil (2 - 6 pills)