Alright, well you wanted a discussion, well lets discuss then!

[PVSSY-EATER]

helllllllllllloooooooooooo......to all my fello don juans out thur.

This is old pvssy eatin me again, and this is my second post of the day, after reviewing and thinking, I thought that I must share some of my conclusions with you all, and I am ready for your insight, aight.......aight, here goes.

After reading, and studying, and reading more articles, and practising, and watching live players and don juans in action, I have come to a conclusion as to why women are attracted to men, and it is one little silly word called.........vibe.

Yes gentlemen vibe, or aura. It is a certain vibe or aura these men give out, that make women attracted to them, and no I am not talking about cologne. However, there are no tactics or techniques that a man can do to create these vibes or auras. But...there is one choice he can make that if he does, these vibes and auras will spring out from him naturally, and it all boils down to ..............mindset.

Yes. Not SS, NLP, Confidence, Personality, or any of that other **** that you have SEEN other successful men do around women. Let me break this down a little bit........I will split this into two posts.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

okay......

The player.

The player is not some guy walking around with a cane and a suit with a pimp hat walking with a limp, thats just television. But the player is the man who BELIEVES that he seduces or gets women from using seduction stuff like eliciting values, trance words, patterns, and so on and so on. He steps to a woman and immediately goes to work in his seductative work and he eventually gets the woman to either go home with him or screw him or whatever, she just basically is attracted to him. ....now, remember the player because I am going to come back to him.

The Don Juan

A man who gets women naturally. A man who has united his dream and day or is chasing his calling, and has developed inner self love for himself and doesnt really need a woman but just gives her the time of day just for the hell of it. He steps to a woman, he naturally has all of these feelings that women like, and the woman either goes home with him, or screws him, or whatever, she just basically is attracted to him.

The thing gentlemen is this. The player gets the woman. The Don Juan gets the woman. Both are totally different, but there must be something that both has, that is the same, that attracts women. And that my friends is mindset.

The player just thinks his SS patterns and other **** is what made the woman sleep with him, but however, it was his mindset which give off the vibes and aura that made him sexy.

And the don juan believes that it is his inner peace and the fact that he doesnt need a woman, and that he is a challenge, that the woman slept or is attracted to him, but however, it was his mindset.

I will go into another post.........go down and I will continue

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

Now the nice guy does not get the woman. And we believe it was because he lacked confidence, called her too much, was desperate and all that, even though that shows that the nice guy has no life, the real reason he didnt get the girl was simply because, and a woman will say this, I wasnt feeling him.

The nice guy did not have the right mindset, thus, could not give off the right vibes. You see what I am saying?

So.........fello don juans. You want answers and you want conclusions. We have been looking for answers all this time, and I am not sure if you guys agree with me or not but............it comes down to a simple change of mind that will get any woman we desire. Now our topic of discussion is this, what do you guys think the mindset is?

I think the mindset is more of a: I am the ****, this is my world, and you all can kiss my ass.

I think the mindset is more or an arrogance and stuck up type. But, I could be wrong. I am not sure what exactly the mindset is. So...........fellos.................what do you believe the mindset is?

 

[tmpgstx]

Some good points Pvssy. Whenever i call you that, reminds me of the Sapranos.

Now the nice guy does not get the woman

The nice guy doesn't get women because he doesn't take risks. When he does decide to take a risk, he comes off very awkward and desparate. Women are very adept at reading body language, and the nice guy with little experience gives off that 'vibe' or body language that he wouldn't know what to do with her if he had her.

The player .. it's a numbers game for him. He doesn't put any stock into girlz, because he knows eventually he'll get one after x number of approaches etc. The girl he often gets is your typical bar ho.

The Don Juan .. a bit more classy, is more about himself and less of a numbers game. More about a higher quality chic (from what i gather) or at least for myself.

The common denominator is showing your worthy, whether it be thru body language, making her laugh etc. If she already finds you attractive, it only adds fuel to the fire. If she does not find you the least bit attractive, i personally don't think anything you could say or do changes this.

If you can show her that you RESPECT yourself, then she will already know you're worthy for that alone.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

excellent reply tmp.

I do agree with most of your reply, however I just wanted to add.

With players, most of them contain and maintain a certain mindset with around women, and they actually attract some quality chicks. Similar to the kind that the don juan attracts.

What I am still trying to get to though, because we all know now that it is basically a mind set, or a change of mind, what do you believe the mind set is?

 

[tmpgstx]

Yeah .. they get a quality one every now and then, but it is usually the girl who has been an introvert most of her life with little guy experience. The stubborn ones will put a stop to it right away and beware of players, but the other nice ones will get taken for ride after ride.

I believe the mindset is somewhat holyier than though, but with nice guy undertones. Walking with a spring in your step. No fear of no-one or anything.

The other part of the mindset would be having a bold edge, but slight enough to be 'nice'. Women often say they like a little 'pitbull' in their men.

I'm a firm believer not playing games and to do what you want so long as it isn't overbearing or clingy. If you don't doubt yourself, no one else should or will. If you doubt yourself, you give everyone else an easy reason to doubt you.

Guys that women love (at least the decent ones) like a guy who makes them feel attractive, confident and motivated. If you come across with these things to her as well, you're creating that presence or aurora as you put it.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

I like to refer to it as "FLOW"

I got the term from a poster, handle "pulse," who was here back when I lurked four years ago. It is a word that notes the ENERGY inside you, around you , and projected by you. Good flow is a combination of confidence, charisma, and charm. You believe in yourself and youre potential. You are realistically optomistic. You have faith in other people. Calm and collected - a man with flow is the guy everyone would look to in case of emergency.

Anyone can be great at the expense of others but having flow is about being great while helping others around you feel great about themselves as well.

The mindset you speak of could take many shapes, depending on the man in question. It could be confidence that produces a sense of security, charisma that results in humor and fun, or charm that allows others to turly appreciate themselves. But the result is always the same - people around him feel better about themselves, the situation, and life in general.

 

[tmpgstx]

Good way to put it Toney! It's the force that binds all us DJs (sound familiar?). Use it to your advantage, let yourself go and stretch your feelings .. Use the force dammit!!

Put that spring in your step, and take no prisoners. You are a man among men, a leader.

 

[belividere]

the only thing that I have noticied that typically differentiates those who get women from those who dont is social proof and the experience that comes with it.

 

[tmpgstx]

There is some truth to that belividere. I know some bumps on the log though that have decent girl-friends who have a few friends, but little social proof. I think so long as a guy has some friends, that's enough of a social element for most girls, unless of course they're really superficial.

 

[PRMoon]

I like to refer to what makes me a great DJ as "the system".
Sure I'm a risk taker, but it's always a calculated risk. I study peoples (guys and girls) attitudes, demeanors, how their being recieved. I definatly focus on my victories and even more importantly my defeats while in the feild. Hell if I could get game tape of everything that I've seen I'd probably be watching it right now instead of typing this post.

Anyway, when i'm in the game it's a system, with few excetions. I know how to play, I know what will get results, and I definately know what i'm getting into before move in. The process is like instinct and even if I don't turn out a winner in every circumstance, I ALWAYS learn from my experiences.

 

[belividere]

There is definetly some bumps on that log, but many of the posters here are pretty young and to me social proof at that stage is the easiest way to get laid.

As a caveat I added the experience that is gained through social proof. To me that is the most important factor. People who regularly interact with others pick up a versatility that allows them to understand the dynamics and uncertainties that arise. They can manage to fit in to unfamiliar circumstances and recognize quickly what hurdles to jump and what ones to just run around. Recognizing and overcoming variability is the critical factor.

To me one of the biggest misconceptions that I find people on here believing is that their is a magical formula, attitude or mindset that will always work. In real life that is never the truth. People always react differently and interactions are usually situational. I think this is something that people gain upon experience. Learning and adapting is undervalued by tips and techniques. These are not foolproof methods but rather are just possible plans of actions.

Of the people who I know that are good with women I cannot think of one who has not failed. Their failures do not lead to self pity parties about how hard they tried without success but instead are used as learning experiences. Like PR said if you had video footage of your attempts you can look back and analyze them since failures always produce valuable insights. Learning is critical. Learn who you target, why you target and how you target. Adapting to the circumstance and quickly determining the cost to benefit analysis will always be the best guides.

 

[JonJack]

Originally posted by belividere
There is definetly some bumps on that log, but many of the posters here are pretty young and to me social proof at that stage is the easiest way to get laid.

As a caveat I added the experience that is gained through social proof. To me that is the most important factor. People who regularly interact with others pick up a versatility that allows them to understand the dynamics and uncertainties that arise. They can manage to fit in to unfamiliar circumstances and recognize quickly what hurdles to jump and what ones to just run around. Recognizing and overcoming variability is the critical factor.

To me one of the biggest misconceptions that I find people on here believing is that their is a magical formula, attitude or mindset that will always work. In real life that is never the truth. People always react differently and interactions are usually situational. I think this is something that people gain upon experience. Learning and adapting is undervalued by tips and techniques. These are not foolproof methods but rather are just possible plans of actions.

Of the people who I know that are good with women I cannot think of one who has not failed. Their failures do not lead to self pity parties about how hard they tried without success but instead are used as learning experiences. Like PR said if you had video footage of your attempts you can look back and analyze them since failures always produce valuable insights. Learning is critical. Learn who you target, why you target and how you target. Adapting to the circumstance and quickly determining the cost to benefit analysis will always be the best guides.

You nailed it right there. It is almost with a certainty that the guys that are well versed with human behavior will be the ones that can easily get a girl into bed. These are the men who are capable of adapting to each girl he meets.

It's like a really good salesperson. One that knows what he has to offer potential buyers. One that knows who will benefit from what he has to offer. He knows that not everyone will have a legitimate need for what he's selling. He then decides to either force the sale or move on to another prospect. He knows when it's the right time to close the deal and he learns more about the prospect with every meeting he makes. The great ones also know how to gain the respect of some of the non-buyers and actually can influence them to introduce him to their friends who might be interested in what he has to offer. This exact skill that makes an excellent salesperson will make an excellent DJ.

The common thing to note, as some has mentioned before, is their confidence, their willingness to fail and to learn from them and they take action in approaching people. There are a lot more things they learn along the way. Some may vary. Speak to exceptional salespeople and you will learn a lot about effective methods in communicating with people and in convincing people. And when I say exceptional I mean exceptional. The ones that people respect. Not those that have the volume but not the customer satisfaction.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

excellent discussion gentlemen, I just want to add some things...

The part about social proof and understanding human behavior I believe does have some truth to it. After thinking more about this topic, I have drawn the following conclusion,

It seems as though, I believe believere whertcen he said there is no set mindset, however, I do belief that there is some kind of core. Or source of strength. Where when you pull from this source, you naturally get your ****y and funny outgoing personality that not just women but everybody loves and will not only get you laid but get you higher up your professional ladder.

And I dont know for sure the name of it, I feel it coming from my gut when my dependence or leaning is on myself. Its kind of like, I connect with my inner self, and its like a person down in there, and we have so much fun together(no guys, I am not crazy, hehe) and from that fun, when I go out in front of people, those confident, outgoing, funny personality is glowing on me. Its not like I try to connect with people anymore, I just automatically glow and they see it, and connect with me.......guys, I dont really know the name of this, or how it happens, but I believe thats how my vibe, or aura, or glow, comes about. Does anybody know what I am talking about?

Overall what I am saying, is that I connect with this inner person within me, and then when I go out, its like there is some secret protection over me, and I am not affected at all by outside matters, so thus, I naturally come off as confident, funny, and outgoing, without even trying. Does ANYBODY on this forum, hehe, know what the hell I am talking about?? Lets....discuss guys..........great discussion

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

I GOT IT FOLKS...... I got it this time. I am going to also do a separate thread on this as well...

Here is the truth to life folks. 1. Desire
2. Wisdom
3. Boldness

Now, let me explain how these three un fold......
by the way, these are not in any order

1. Desire

The inner want to do something, its like, I cant resist not doing this or going after this.

Not desperation, but desire.

2. Wisdom

The truth behind the facts. Not knowledge, with is just facts and information. Wisdom is the bigger picture, the unrevealed battery that ACTUALLY drives the car behind the bigger battery. The secrets that most people dont tell...(like the wisdom found on this website about women....you got me)

3. Boldness

Sprounting from a secret INVISIBLE protection or shield around you. A person not affected by outside factors, because of this shield, so the result is the person is self-centered and takes over the scene, without asking for permission. It is like an inner conviction in the person, they know they are right, thus, outside obstacles become childs play to them. This is boldness.

These are the three things to life. The truth about life. The end above all ends. If you contain these three, then, THERE IS NOTHING OR NO ONE OR NO SITUATION IN HELL......THAT CAN STOP YOU FROM ACHIEVING OR HAVING WHAT YOU WANT.

I am about to make this into a new thread entitled, The Truth: The End. Go to that thread, and I will finish this post.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

Buliv you braught up a great point in the desparity between the ages posting here. I know that I am far better looking, more intelligent and fun than most any guy my age, especially in my area. But when I go to younger clubs, with girls 17-20, I find it difficult to pull. Because Im missing an element important to them - structured social proof. I do not attend class with any of them, I do not frequent their club, and I do not know know their friends. At these younger clubs it is difficult to OPEN, and sometimes impossible to KEEP, a set.

However, at more mature bars and lounges, with girls 22-25, there is a greater emphasis on ME and my ENERGY and my percieved social status at the bar. It appears older women are more confident in their ability to choose a good man than younger women (who rely on how SOCIETY percieves the man... social proof).

I must also conceide that it is FAR EASIER for an OLDER MAN to attract women of ANY AGE than it is for a YOUNGER MAN. This is due, as you stated, to life experience.

However, there is an unmistakable ENERGY (the original thread topic by EATER) that natural gregarians posess. I feel it is more than the fortification of experience. I know that some nights I will make 40 or more approaches and not get rejected a single time. I will get every # I ask for and even kiss a few girls goodbye. On these nights, as I described in my above post, I FLOW. I naturally feel good about myself, the world around me, and I help others feel good about themselves as well. This is separate from experience - knowing when to lie about my age and when to be honest, knowing whether to pursue a conversation about career with a stripper, knowing when to mirror and when to tease - it is a deeper connection with yourself/others.