Aloofness part two

[He-Man]

This is like the story of my life. I used to be aloof out of shyness and not intentional . Happen to get interest from many girls and also get hit on a lot of times but this only happens from girls in the neighbourhood or girls you come across on the regular.

I am not that good looking. Just average looks but happen to dress really well and I believe it has more to do with my way of dressing and how different I am compared to other guys around. Like being cool with every dude and just a handful of female friends.

I don't come of as needy but as a guy who is content. I am so aloof it makes other girls around curious as to how I got into talking terms with other girls since I am not the kind that flirts. And it's also that the girls are used to getting hit on by guys it makes them curious as to why you neither flirt nor hit on them.

 

[Mike32ct]

Every guy wants dimes, if anything an unattractive guy wants them more because he never had anything close and to make up for all the crap he's been experiencing.

Yes, a big driving component in this game is to try to MAKE UP for lost time or perceived unfairness. For some guys, that is more important than getting laid per se. That's actually what got me in the game to begin with.

The difference between being an attractive guy M7+ vs an unattractive guy M5- is the attractive guy gets an occasional F8, some F7s and easily gets F6s. The unattractive guy might very infrequently get a F5-6 but struggles to get 4's and 5's. Or if he is more unattractive maybe 2's or nothing.

I have this theory that the "Looks Delta" (or man's looks number minus the woman's looks number) INCREASES as the man's looks DECREASES. Only the really hot guys truly get close to looks matching. For example, a 8 guy might get a 7.5 girl (i.e. delta = 0.5). But a 6.5 guy might only get a 5 girl (i.e. delta = 1.5). In the limit as they both approach perfection, then you get a 9.5 guy with a 9.5 girl (i.e. delta = 0). But if the dude is a 4, she's probably like a 1 (i.e. delta =3).

So it's not really about "Like attracts like." It's more like you must pay a HIGHER penalty or "Looks Delta" if you are lower on the looks scale.

But it's even worse than that for an unattractive guy. Like you said, you regularly get approached, but the unattractive guys don't. Even worse, the unattractive guy has to approached and experiences more rejections and much harsher rejections than an attractive guy.

Right. This guy struggles and gets rejected, while he sees other guys get approached.

I thought picking up girls was a lot of work for me, until I got a little older and my hair thinner. I don't think I look much different, but under the microscope of looks women go by it had a huge effect.

I have exactly the same experience. I genuinely don't think I look much different (for real, not ego speaking). But women look at guys with 300x zoom, so subtle changes with age can have a significant effect.

My rule of thumb is a guy has to be a solid 5 to get any girls at all, even 1's and 2's. A guy has to be M6-7 if he wants better than F4-5's.

Very true.

It's very hard for a guy to get a looks matched girl outside of a social circle and LTR situation. Most men even 8-9's have to date 2 levels down 6's and 7's.

Looks matches are hard to get period except for very good looking guys, according to my theory above. But, I agree with you that, to the extent looks matching happens, social circle is most likely way it does happen.

Female 9's and 10's are quasi-celebrities living strictly off their looks. Only a small fraction of the high status, wealthy, powerful, good looking and extraverted guys are getting them.

True.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Yes "Looks Delta" is definitely a good name for it. It's like even F1-2s won't have sex unless she sees the guy as being M4-5, delta 3-4. And of course the M8-10 get close to looks matched F7-9.x, delta 0-1 (or optionally to delta 2-3 for much more quantity and ease).

On top of that there's also "Quantity Delta" for lack of a better term. The M8-10s have prefered access to the whole bell curve population of female F9-4 or down to as low as they want to go for easy hook up.

That's why (without monogamy being predominate) guys much below M7 are really screwed because the better looking guys, as determined by females, monopolize most all the women including within the lesser looking guys "looks league". Women make out of the deal like bandits. This is WHY there can be a Looks Delta in the first place. The lesser looking guys have to pay a higher looks delta AND quanitity delta. In other words more effort and negative feedback for less women and uglier women.

And yes the looks league women put you in is very trivial and based on minor differences in appearance but very real and insurmountable unless you can somehow improve your appearance.

Where the looks matching comes in is like you said for guys usually above ~6 looks and is infrequent and only for LTR. Men will usually demand a woman to be closer to meeting his looks level for a LTR and women will meet this demand vs hook ups where the women can go way above her looks level. For looks matching there would have to be a lot more monogamy, which would force women to at least looks match or go without anything.