Almost 1 in 2 20-24 Yr. Old USA Women Have HPV

[Bad_Lil'Pixie]

I think the last paragraph of the CDC PDF text sums it up pretty well.

“…men MAY wish to consider circumcision as an ADDITIONAL HIV prevention measure….”. It goes on to state the circumcision has some risks, testing was limited and “confers only PARTIAL protection and should be considered only IN CONJUCTION WITH….abstinence, mutual monogamy, reducing number of sex partners and correct and consistent condom use….

Your source is creditable, but it is a carbon of the

“nutra sweet can kill brain cells”,

“saccharine causes cancer in lab rats” and

“lavender oils found in some shampoos, soaps and lotions can leave boys with enlarged breasts”.

I certainly do not want to argue the CDC’s stand on this, but you have to realize the focus groups and situations that lead up to the CDC essays.


Back to the HPV post of Wylds…..

Below are some excerpts from various studies that disband the once tradition “evil foreskin” rules. I wish I could paste links like you did to cut down on text but it is just beyond me how to do that. I added on about 65 sources from all the corners of the world, including but not limited to, the American Cancer Society, the American and New England Journals of medicines…I hope you find it a bit enlightening. **drats, I hade to cut off about 20 refences in order to stay under the 10.000 character limit. Let my know and I will gladly PM the balance to anyone wishing to read them.

The hypothesis that cervical cancer is caused by smegma of the male foreskin was invented in 1954 by Wynder. His study was found to be invalid… Wynder later recognized and admitted the error in 1960.3
This study, more than the others, exposed the myth that the presence of a foreskin or smegma had any association with the incidence of cancer of the cervix.

Male circumcision has never been proved to offer any real protection against HPV infection in the female partner, but even if it did, it still would not be necessary because the vaccine will offer protection.

See also: Cervical cancer: the real causes and the real cure

A new human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine offers protection against both penile and cervical cancers.64 Fear of HPV and cancer cannot be used to support the practice of male circumcision.
1. Wolbarst A. Circumcision and Penile Cancer. The Lancet, vol. 1 no. 5655 (January 16, 1932): pp. 150-153.
2. D.G. Reddy; I.K. Baruah. "Carcinogenic Action of Human Smegma," Archives of Pathology, vol. 75, no. 4 (April 1963): pp. 414-420.
3. Ernest L. Wynder; Samuel D. Licklider. "The Question of Circumcision," Cancer, vol. 13, no. 3 (May-June 1960): pp. 442-445.
4. Elizabeth Stern; Peter M. Neely. "Cancer of the Cervix in Reference to Circumcision and Marital History," Journal of the American Medical Women's Association, vol. 17, no. 9 (September 1962): pp. 739-740.
5. Aitken-Swan J, Baird D. Circumcision and cancer of the cervix. Brit J Cancer 1965;XIX(2):217-226.
6. Preston EN. Whither the foreskin. JAMA 1970; 213(11):1853-1858.
7. Leitch IOW. Circumcision - a continuing enigma. Aust Paediatr J 1970;6:59-65.
8. Gellis SS. Circumcision. Am J Dis Child 1978; 132: 1168-9.
9. Boczko S, Freed S. Penile carcinoma in circumcised males. N Y State J Med 1979; 79(12):1903-1904.
10. Parkash S, et al. Sub-Preputial Wetness - Its Nature. Ann Nat Med Sci (India) 1982;18(3):109-112.
11. Annals of the National Medical Sciences, vol. 18, no. 3 (July-September 1982): pp. 109-112.
12. Hyman AB; Brownstein MH. Tyson's "Glands," Archives of Dermatology, vol. 99, no. 1 (January 1969): pp. 31-37.
13. Cadman D, Gafni A, McNamee J: Newborn circumcision: an economic perspective. Can Med Assoc J 1984; 131: 1353-1355.
14. Wallerstein, Edward. Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy. Springer-Verlag, New York, 1980.
15. zur Hausen H. Genital papillomavirus infections. Prog Med Virol 1985;32:15-21.
16. Bissada NK, Morcos RR, el-Senoussi M. Post-circumcision carcinoma of the penis. I. Clinical aspects. J Urol 1986 Feb;135(2):283-5.
17. Kaufman RH, Adam E: Herpes simplex virus and human papilloma virus in the development of cervical carcinoma. Clin Obstet Gynecol 1986; 3: 678-692
18. McCance DJ, Kalache A., Ashdown K, et al. Human papillomavirus types 16 and 18 in carcinomas of the penis from Brazil. Int J Cancer 1986:37:55-59
19. Villa LL, Lopes A. Human papillomavirus DNA sequences in penile carcinomas in Brazil. Int J Cancer 1986;37(6):853-5.
20. McCance DJ. Human papillomaviruses and cancer. Biochem Biophys Acta 1986;823:195-206
21. Barrasso R, De Brux J, Croissant O, et al. High prevalence of papillomavirus-associated penile intraepithelial neoplasia in sexual partners of women with cervical intraepithelial neoplasia. N Engl J Med 1987 Oct 8;317(15):916-23.
22. Rogus BJ. Squamous cell carcinoma in a young circumcised man. J Urol 1987;138(4):861-2.
23. Hellberg D, Valentin J, Eklund T, Nilsson S. Penile cancer: is there an epidemilogical role for smoking and sexual behavior? Brit Med J 1987;295(6609):1306-1308.
24. Bissada NK. Post-circumcision carcinoma of the penis: II. Surgical management. J Surg Oncol 1988;37(2):80-3.
25. Reeves WC, Rawls WE, Brinton LA. Epidemiology of genital papillomaviruses and cervical cancer. Rev Infec Dis 1989: 11: 416-39.
26. Chang AR. Human papillomaviruses and cervical neoplasia: a review. N Z Med J 1989:102:47-50.
27. Brinton LA, Reeves WC, Brenes MM, et al. The male factor in the etiology of cervical cancer among sexually monogamous women. Int J Cancer 1989;44(2):199-203.
28. Denniston GC. First, do no harm. The Truth Seeker 1989 [Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Circumcision]; 1(3):37.
29. Poland R. The question of routine neonatal circumcision. New Engl J Med 1990; 322(18):1312-1314.
30. Maden C et al. History of Circumcision, Medical Conditions, and Sexual Activity and Risk of Penile Cancer. Journal of the National Cancer Institute, vol. 85, no. 1., January 6, 1993, pp. 19-24.
31. Harish K, Ravi R. The role of tobacco in penile carcinoma. Brit J Urol 1995;75(3):375-377.
32. Cupp MR, Malek RS, Goellner JR, et al. The detection of human papillomavirus deoxyribonucleic acid in intraepithelial, in situ, verrucous and invasive carcinoma of the penis. J Urol 1995;154(3):1024-9.
33. Frisch M et al. Falling incidence of penis cancer in an uncircumcised population (Denmark 1943-90). British Medical Journal (London), vol. 311, no. 7018 (December 2, 1995): pg. 1471.
34. Fleiss P, Hodges F. Neonatal circumcision does not protect against cancer (letter). British Medical Journal, (London) Vol. 312 no 7033 (March 23, 1996): pp. 779-780.
35. Shingleton H, Heath Jr CW. Letter to Peter Rappo, M.D., February 16, 1996.
36. Cold CJ, Storms MR, Van Howe RS. Carcinoma in situ of the penis in a 76-year-old circumcised man. J Fam Pract 44(4), April 1997, pp. 407-410. [Demonstrates: Circumcision has no statistically-significant effect on the rate of penile cancer, when Maden's data are properly adjusted for age.]
37. American Cancer Society. Dispelling Miscommunications: Statement on Penile Cancer. ACS News Today, Atlanta, (1998).
38. Ho GY, Kadish AS, Burk RD, et al. HPV 16 and cigarette smoking as risk factors for high-grade cervical intra-epithelial neoplasia. Int J Cancer 1998;78(3):281-5.
39. Ho GY, Palan PR, Basu J, et al. Viral characteristics of human papillomavirus infection and antioxidant levels as risk factors for cervical dysplasia . Int J Cancer 1998;78(5):594-9.
40. zur Hausen H. Papillomaviruses causing cancer: evasion from host-cell control in early events in carcinogenesis. J Natl Cancer Inst 2000;92(9):690-8.
41. Circumcision and cancer of the cervix. University of Aberdeen, Dept. of Obstetrics and Gynaecology. British Journal of Cancer, Vol. XIX, Jun, 1965, No. 2:
"These results do not support the theory that women whose husbands are circumcised will be less likely to develop cervical cancer than those whose husbands are uncircumcised. In this the study agrees with the findings of Jones et al (1958), Dunn and Buell (1959), and Boyd and Doll (1964)."
42. Ernst L. Wynder, M.D. (American Health Foundation). Journal of the American Medical Association, June 2, 1975, p. 961:
"Additional variables observed to be more frequent and of more import among patients with cervical cancer are early age of first intercourse, multiple sexual parners, and low socioeconomic class. Unless there exist surgical reasons (such as phimosis) indicating circumcision in the husband, the procedure would seem unwarranted."
43. Terris, Wilson, Nelson. Relation of cirumcision to cancer of the cervix. Am. J. Obstet. Gynecol., Dec. 15, 1973:
"No differences were found in circumcision status of husbands of cervical dysplasia patients and controls. The findings of this study are consistant with those reported by Aitken-Swan and Baird. They fail to provide evidence that circumcision status is related to invasive carcinoma or the cervix, carcinoma in situ, or cervical dysplasia."

 

[CCKazi007]

Wow Wyldfire and her b*tch Master Bates just got PWNED/OWNED by the above poster. I'm pretty sure that ends the debate 1 source vs. 60... lol goodjob and props to lil pixie!

 

[Oxide]

So, if you don't like so many women getting HPV cut that nasty foreskin off.

Hey, I have an idea.. go fukk yourself.

I love dumb idiots who make blank statements like that.

 

[Wyldfire]

Were do you think these women get HPV?

HPV is so prevailant and really not a big deal that I wouldn't stress out about it. If you sleep with girls you'll probably get it.

For the record I don't have it and would be pissed if i got it but It's not a thought on my brain when I'm going to get sexed.

Just so you know, there is a vaccine against it now.
And Wyldfire, don't be so sure you don't have it. I don't think symptoms appear in such a manner that it can always be readily identified by normal STD tests that you get at your yearly visit.

One reason it is so easily propagated is you can have it without ANY symptoms for EVER.

edit: IIRC, the vaccine only protects against the 6 most common types. Input anyone?

um...HPV is essentially Genital Warts...so yeah...if you get them you typically know. See guys...it pays to limit your sex partners.

 

[Wyldfire]

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2755#circ

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/c...re_the_risk_factors_for_cervical_cancer_8.asp

http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/Network/v20_4/NWvol20-4malecurcumsion.htm

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/162/9/907

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/c...on_and_Early_Detection_8.asp?sitearea=&level=

Certain types of sexual behavior increase a woman's risk of getting HPV infection:

* having sex at an early age
* having many sexual partners
* having sex with a partner who has had many partners
* having sex with uncircumcised males

HPV infection occurs mainly in young women and is less common in women over 30. The reason for this is not known. Uncircumcised men are thought to be more likely to harbor the virus. HPV can be present for years with no symptoms, and HPV infection does not always cause warts or other symptoms, so you can be infected with HPV and pass it on without knowing it.


Would you like more sources?

Didn't think so...now stop biotching at me for stating FACTS.

There IS a reason NOT to have foreskin...especially if you are being a manwh*re...it increases your risk of catching and spreading STDs.

 

[CCKazi007]

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2755#circ

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/c...re_the_risk_factors_for_cervical_cancer_8.asp

http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/Network/v20_4/NWvol20-4malecurcumsion.htm

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/162/9/907

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/c...on_and_Early_Detection_8.asp?sitearea=&level=

Certain types of sexual behavior increase a woman's risk of getting HPV infection:

* having sex at an early age
* having many sexual partners
* having sex with a partner who has had many partners
* having sex with uncircumcised males

HPV infection occurs mainly in young women and is less common in women over 30. The reason for this is not known. Uncircumcised men are thought to be more likely to harbor the virus. HPV can be present for years with no symptoms, and HPV infection does not always cause warts or other symptoms, so you can be infected with HPV and pass it on without knowing it.


Would you like more sources?

Didn't think so...now stop biotching at me for stating FACTS.

There IS a reason NOT to have foreskin...especially if you are being a manwh*re...it increases your risk of catching and spreading STDs.

Ok that's 5 sources the other guy posted 60... so ya do the math... and how are uncircumcised men manwh*re? HPV is a strand of viruses which INCLUDES genetal herpies moron, there are more than 20 different types of HPV! Goodjob taking your FACTS straight from U.S. cancer sites, which is biased because MOST AMERICANS ARE CIRCUMCISED please find me a source that is not biased.

- Having sex at any age will give you STDs so that point is moot...
- Having more partners will increase your chance of getting STDs if you don't check first of course if you just have sex with random ppl you'll increase your chance, that's common sense.
- So you mean HPV has to live in the foreskin right? if that's the only factor that determines the percentage of transfering the virus...

Also just to piss you off I'm currently dating 5 girls, I make them take the pill and I don't use a condom and IM UNCIRCUMCISED! WOO HOO You know who u should meet TUCKER MAX you can go to his site TUCKERMAX.COM and see how he's spreading STDs to women.

 

[Oxide]

You don't get it wyld, let me rephrase:


Go fukk yourself.




Telling a guy to cut off a part of his **** is like me telling you to cut off your tits.

But thanks for providing the alternative. I was sitting here thinking: "Cut off my ****, don't have sex.. cut off my ****.. not have sex".. then I remembered that we live in the 21st century and HAVE CONDOMS YOU DUMB IDIOT

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

um...HPV is essentially Genital Warts...so yeah...if you get them you typically know. See guys...it pays to limit your sex partners.

Wrong. Warts is a manifestation. But just because you have HPV doesn't mean you'll ever see a wart. Just like herpes with no outbreak.

edit: Duh. Check the post you posted with the sources.

HPV can be present for years with no symptoms, and HPV infection does not always cause warts or other symptoms, so you can be infected with HPV and pass it on without knowing it.

There you go Wyld. You just contradicted your own source.

 

[Wyldfire]

Wrong. Warts is a manifestation. But just because you have HPV doesn't mean you'll ever see a wart. Just like herpes with no outbreak.

edit: Duh. Check the post you posted with the sources.


There you go Wyld. You just contradicted your own source.

I was trying to simplify what HPV is for those guys who quite clearly have no clue. I was also trying to frighten them enough to use condoms. I can't even count the number of posts I've seen on here over the years of guys who are just plain stupid about their sexual health.

It's funny how so many guys get SO bent out of shape when the issue of circumcision and foreskin comes up. So many of you complain how women aren't honest with you or lie to avoid telling a guy something that might make them look less than sweet and innocent and nice. That's the reasoning behind not listening to a woman's advice. You're all saying how you wish females would just tell you the truth...be upfront and honest. Yet how you are reacting to me being honest is exactly why so many women will lie to men...you can't handle the truth and want women to tell you what you want to hear. YOU cause them to lie to you because you react like a baby when you hear something you don't like.

SO WHAT if I hate foreskin, lol. I've stated repeatedly that I am NOT here to look for dates, so my opinion shouldn't matter to any of you...I am NOT interested in you and you are NOT interested in me. I'm here ONLY to give a completely HONEST female perspective minus all the BS and to help people with LTRs. What I think about foreskin should NOT matter to any of you...yet it apparently does.

Know what...TOO BAD...deal with it. Even if there we absolutely no health reason at all for me to avoid sex with an uncircumcised man I STILL find foreskin repulsive. That is just how it is. You can't control when you are turned off by something. It's a personal preference. If you all think I'm so horrible and evil for finding foreskin disgusting then that speaks volumes about yourselves. When all you uncircumcised guys go have sex and a relationship with a 600lb heifer THEN you have room to complain about my personal preferences. Until then...well, too freaking bad, lol.

 

[bigjohnson]

It always cracks me up when the uncut brigade gets all pissy. You sound like a bunch of whiny schoolgirls; must be a "tender" subject.

 

[Oxide]

Wyld, i swear god if you haven't changed since 2001 you might as well leave right now.

Here is the problem with women in general - they think we care. Why in the world would you post

I STILL find foreskin repulsive. That is just how it is.

I COULD GIVE an absolute sh1t what you like and you don't like.. yet you think we all care what you did yesterday at breakfast between whiping your ass and brushing your teeth.

That is the inherit problem on pretty much every forum - the woman comes in and thinks she will go and post some stupid personal stuff we DO NOT CARE ABOUT.

I don't care about your kid, I don't care about what you like in guys, why do you even post here is beyond me. You haven't given good advice in years ever since I mentioned that you gave good insight. I should have kept my mouth shut.

Given your track history I tried to avoid calling you out, hoping that you would change and get back on track. But you didn't. You are getting worse, every single day.

I am also guessing you never saw Penn and Teller Bullsh1t on the topic, may be you'll learn something. The only reason I am calling you out is because you come in here like some king sh1t and tell everyone that we should cut out ****s because you hate foreskin. Well b1tch, I hate overage (ex)strippers from trailer park... why don't all of you jump off the cliff? See how that makes you feel.

 

[CCKazi007]

Know what...TOO BAD...deal with it. Even if there we absolutely no health reason at all for me to avoid sex with an uncircumcised man I STILL find foreskin repulsive. That is just how it is. You can't control when you are turned off by something. It's a personal preference. If you all think I'm so horrible and evil for finding foreskin disgusting then that speaks volumes about yourselves. When all you uncircumcised guys go have sex and a relationship with a 600lb heifer THEN you have room to complain about my personal preferences. Until then...well, too freaking bad, lol.

Says the 40 year old trailer park trash... guess what? we really don't NEED your preferance on foreskin cuz your 40 your done your prob over weight and jealous of not getting young guys. Go post on the mature forum please cuz that's where YOU BELONG. You posted 5 unrealiable sources, contradicted yourself and now flaming uncircumcised men cuz of your ignorance.

I agree with one point you made... girls being honest, I wish ignorant/dumb women like you would be more honest so I don't have to waste my time on you and find myself a quality girl.

Wtf 600 lb heifer... are you talking about yourself? sry b*tch but uncircumcised men can get quality women just like circumcised men, judging people just because they aren't circumcised or not is so shallow and dumb.

 

[Bad_Lil'Pixie]

I was also trying to frighten them enough to use condoms.

?????

Know what...TOO BAD...deal with it. Even if there we absolutely no health reason at all for me to avoid sex with an uncircumcised man I STILL find foreskin repulsive. That is just how it is. You can't control when you are turned off by something. It's a personal preference. If you all think I'm so horrible and evil for finding foreskin disgusting then that speaks volumes about yourselves. When all you uncircumcised guys go have sex and a relationship with a 600lb heifer THEN you have room to complain about my personal preferences. Until then...well, too freaking bad, lol.

I don't mind you stating your opinion of foreskin, you certainly have a right to your likes and dislikes especially in areas such as this.

What I do mind is when you spew off "[foreskin] is one of the main causes of cervical cancer in women" crap in an attempt to make your personal opinion sound like some level of holiness.

1.) It panics men in thinking their bodies are less then perfect or substandard. It could even run some off to get cut without looking into the risks involved.
2.) It gives women encouragement to smoke, eat poor diets and skip important annual paps and other health screenings. "Well I haven't ****ed an uncut man so I should be safe since that's the "one of the MAIN CAUSES " per Wyld.

I believe men are made perfect, I think male infant circumcision and female infant ear piercing is nothing more then mutilation and abuse. I believe males and females should have say over any and all cosmetic changes done to their natural body at a consensual age.

I am not going to push my opinions by saying piercing a girl's ears can cause brain cancer since their have been some children with brain caner and pierced ears.

I believe circumcised peenies are equally perfect but I have experienced the many benefits of foreskin left intact and let me tell you, it can be magical.

Are you aware the there are many studies that show penile cancer begins at the CIRCUMCISION site? Hmmm, I am sure those victims will swear circumcision causes penile cancer.

Your "scare tactics" to use condoms and get circumcised is the same as telling a male child that masturbation will cause them to go blind or grow hair on their palms. I don't find those ways very constructive or credible.

 

[Wyldfire]

It always cracks me up when the uncut brigade gets all pissy. You sound like a bunch of whiny schoolgirls; must be a "tender" subject.

I know...man, I should use this method to screen men if I ever decide to go to a bar, lmao.

Just climb my tiny little self up on the bar and shout "Did you guys know that if you have foreskin you're more likely to give women Genital Warts?"

The guys who laugh are obviously cut and the ones who start yelling have foreskin.

hahahaha

 

[Wyldfire]

Oh yeah...and being anti-foreskin essentially proves I'm NOT a feminist. Feminists are the ones who are responsible for turning a lot of people against circumcision.

 

[CCKazi007]

Oh yeah...and being anti-foreskin essentially proves I'm NOT a feminist. Feminists are the ones who are responsible for turning a lot of people against circumcision.

Noone cares... your 40 going to bars... do you take your 18 year old son with you? Do you buy him drinks? .... awww that's cute you must be a GREAT PARENT! Well I guess it's personal choice, anything that help you sleep at night...

If you said at the bar I would laugh initially, because I would think that was the funniest joke heard all night, but then I would find out that you actually believe that and then start feeling bad/ashamed that there are actually ppl that... stupid.

I'm going to stop because obviously your lacking brain cells to comprehend the concepts that are too "advanced for you" that's ok your just "different" you come to a guy's forum on your free time, cuz that's NORMAL for a 40 year old WOMEN to do! You say your here to help by making threads like "You don't love her, What did you have for dinner? Look I made a fool out of myself singing karaoke and Check this sucky ass singer and I'm gonna make 2 threads." Don't pretend it's ok EVERYONE KNOWS your here for attention cuz noone else will give you any in the real world, so just stop you don't need to "justify" your stay unless your doing it for yourself. Ya know but that brings up the point again... anything that'll help you sleep at night. :wave: