All of this rejection is making me depressed

[Barrister]

That sort of undermines your whole arguement then. Maybe you would not like women that much if they were not attracted to you and you had to escortcel. Saying you "legitimately like women" sounds hollow.

It doesn't undermine my argument at all. I know plenty of average looking guys with average jobs that get women. I don't understand your point. "Legitimately liking women" is germane here -- because it is anti-blackpill.

You are setting up a straw man to make my points seem illegitimate - but it doesn't make a difference. We've gone back and forth on this before @corrector - we both know I am not going to change your opinion nor you mine. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Barrister]

Having Game is a potent form of status and proofing. If you can communicate well with women she just assumes that have you have status/proof because she's turned on.

If you have good game you are confident. Confidence is sexy to women. The two go hand in hand. I would venture you don't even really have to have status to attract women if you have good game and are confident. Granted a lot of the black pill guys floating around here will disagree.

 

[corrector]

It doesn't undermine my argument at all. I know plenty of average looking guys with average jobs that get women. I don't understand your point. "Legitimately liking women" is germane here -- because it is anti-blackpill.

You are setting up a straw man to make my points seem illegitimate - but it doesn't make a difference. We've gone back and forth on this before @corrector - we both know I am not going to change your opinion nor you mine. We can agree to disagree.

Why should we believe that you know plenty of average looking guys with average jobs that live the playa lifestyle and have a haram of 8+ b1tches on booty call demand? Sorry dont buy it.

 

[Barrister]

Why should we believe that you know plenty of average looking guys with average jobs that live the playa lifestyle and have a haram of 8+ b1tches on booty call demand? Sorry dont buy it.

You don't have to believe me - although you are now embellishing what I stated to again attempt to discredit me. Doesn't really make a difference to me whether you do or don't. What I can say is you are your own worst enemy when it comes to getting women, however. I think deep down you know that is the case. But if you think you are happier complaining about your lack of height, looks, status, money, etc. then by all means carry on.

 

[corrector]

You don't have to believe me - although you are now embellishing what I stated to again attempt to discredit me. Doesn't really make a difference to me whether you do or don't. What I can say is you are your own worst enemy when it comes to getting women, however. I think deep down you know that is the case. But if you think you are happier complaining about your lack of height, looks, status, money, etc. then by all means carry on.

What is clear is you are coming from a position of privilege and are talking down on others who are at a disadvantage.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Nothing good comes easy.

Everything worthwhile should take work.

Dating
Having a kid.
Buying a house.
Getting a promotion.
Getting a degree.
Running a marathon.


The best things in life are things you work your butt off for.

 

[Barrister]

What is clear is you are coming from a position of privilege and are talking down on others who are at a disadvantage.

Let’s be clear on one thing: it was YOU who asked me about my looks and financial status. That wasn’t me bragging or “coming from a position of privilege.” I am not talking down to you in the least. You just feel the need to respond in a non-substantive way to what I am saying - with this post being the most recent example. Because I am successful my opinion counts for less? Is that what you are saying?

I think you are an intelligent guy. I also think (and this is me reading between the lines) that you have very little confidence when it comes to women. My entire point is that you would do a lot better with a positive attitude and some good game. You can have success with women without having top notch looks and money. You won’t ever get to that point though with your black pill views. If you disagree that’s fine.

 

[Barrister]

Yeah I get that impression too. Barrister seems like he has a pretty good mind on him, and he has lots of acceptance of the world and minimal bitterness. He probably has good, calibrated communication with women and gets rewarded with a bit of sex. Surely he would notice that most men are horrible when it comes to communicating with women.

Most men are awful with communicating with women. I notice it every day as I am sure you do as well. What I find frustrating though are people like corrector who not only give up themselves on getting women because they think they can’t (when they can), but then come on here and start trying to sway others to their cause that it’s impossible unless they are “Chad.” It’s sad really.

 

[characternote]

everyone knows how the female mind works tbh

 

[characternote]

You're overthinking it. Approach girls. See if they're into you or not. Flirt. Escalate. So easy.
But it's always a numbers game. Anyone saying it's not is talking out their a$$ lol

 

[corrector]

Let’s be clear on one thing: it was YOU who asked me about my looks and financial status.

You first mentioned it on your post. You said blackpillers make up the excuse that unless you have the physical looks and money, that there is no point wasting time with women since you won't be good enough to attract them. Did you not say that in an earlier post or are you going to say I embellished this too? You can't say that blackpill perspective is wrong if you fulfill both of those issues yourself and get women.

That wasn’t me bragging or “coming from a position of privilege.” I am not talking down to you in the least. You just feel the need to respond in a non-substantive way to what I am saying - with this post being the most recent example. Because I am successful my opinion counts for less? Is that what you are saying?

Of course not! The other side is you don't have a circumstance in your life that would lead to you feeling that blackpill mindset is the best option for you. If either the OP or myself, are deficient in looks or money then how can you knock me on the blackpill mindset if you are fulfilling what that mindset is saying. If anything, if you had looks and money and still failed with women, that would fail the blackpill not confirm it.

I think you are an intelligent guy. I also think (and this is me reading between the lines) that you have very little confidence when it comes to women. My entire point is that you would do a lot better with a positive attitude and some good game. You can have success with women without having top notch looks and money. You won’t ever get to that point though with your black pill views. If you disagree that’s fine.

You are now embellishing by saying 'top notch' looks. I never said GQ magazine model level looks. You have looks and money and you are successful with women. Your only other claim is to not look at you as an example, but to look at the many other people you know who have average looks and an average job who are successful with women.

So you want to base your argument against the backpill on the many average guys you know with average jobs that have hot girlfriends?
That's all you can come up with. How did your average looking friends get their women then?

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Not being successful is a constant in this life, however failure is a choice based on what we have learned from attempting to be successful; only when you learn nothing, have you truly failed.

We work our bodies in the gym, we intentionally put stress on our bodies and when we do, our bodies adapt and create muscle... Your mind is no different, it needs stress and when faced with it, over and over, it will adapt.

 

[Robert28]

Not being successful is a constant in this life, however failure is a choice based on what we have learned from attempting to be successful; only when you learn nothing, have you truly failed.

We work our bodies in the gym, we intentionally put stress on our bodies and when we do, our bodies adapt and create muscle... Your mind is no different, it needs stress and when faced with it, over and over, it will adapt.

The problem I have is the last couple of women I’ve been rejected by after a few dates, I honestly don’t know what the real reason(s) was/were. The reasons they gave didn’t make any sense so I know it’s something else. It’s hard to improve when you don’t know what you need to improve on.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

The problem I have is the last couple of women I’ve been rejected by after a few dates, I honestly don’t know what the real reason(s) was/were. The reasons they gave didn’t make any sense so I know it’s something else. It’s hard to improve when you don’t know what you need to improve on.

Yeah well this is pretty vague and is only gonna net you vague answers

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

I am no MGTOW expert - but I would disagree. MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way - is simply men who have decided to pursue other interests and cut women out of their life.

I think MGTOW is a bit different for each man to some degree. I dont hate women, i enjoy them but they are not my main focus in life anymore. If they can compliment my life they can stay, if they complicate it they have to go. Either way im fine cause im not getting emotionally attached to them and im fine alone if it comes to that. I find the more aloof i am the more they are interested.
Id never cut women out of my life completely but i wont give them the time or effort i did 20 yrs ago either, it serves no purpose.

 

[Barrister]

You first mentioned it on your post. You said blackpillers make up the excuse that unless you have the physical looks and money, that there is no point wasting time with women since you won't be good enough to attract them. Did you not say that in an earlier post or are you going to say I embellished this too? You can't say that blackpill perspective is wrong if you fulfill both of those issues yourself and get women.



Of course not! The other side is you don't have a circumstance in your life that would lead to you feeling that blackpill mindset is the best option for you. If either the OP or myself, are deficient in looks or money then how can you knock me on the blackpill mindset if you are fulfilling what that mindset is saying. If anything, if you had looks and money and still failed with women, that would fail the blackpill not confirm it.



You are now embellishing by saying 'top notch' looks. I never said GQ magazine model level looks. You have looks and money and you are successful with women. Your only other claim is to not look at you as an example, but to look at the many other people you know who have average looks and an average job who are successful with women.

So you want to base your argument against the backpill on the many average guys you know with average jobs that have hot girlfriends?
That's all you can come up with. How did your average looking friends get their women then?

I was defining black pill in general terms. You were the one who specifically asked me about my personal situation on those fronts.

Regardless, we all relay what we believe based upon on our own experiences in life. I told you why I disagree with your position. You disagree with mine because of your own experience. That’s fine. But I know it isn’t the case because of what I’ve observed. But there’s no point in continuing this exchange because you don’t believe me and we just end up talking in circles.

 

[corrector]

I was defining black pill in general terms. You were the one who specifically asked me about my personal situation on those fronts.

Regardless, we all relay what we believe based upon on our own experiences in life. I told you why I disagree with your position. You disagree with mine because of your own experience. That’s fine. But I know it isn’t the case because of what I’ve observed. But there’s no point in continuing this exchange because you don’t believe me and we just end up talking in circles.

From what you've observed from the average guys with average jobs that you know? You have not even provided a case story example of any of these people that you claim to know.

Anyway you are talking out of your a$$ so you are right, its pointless.

 

[Barrister]

From what you've observed from the average guys with average jobs that you know? You have not even provided a case story example of any of these people that you claim to know.

Anyway you are talking out of your a$$ so you are right, its pointless.

I’m not. I’ve just learned that carrying on any conversation with you is an exercise in futility. You constantly set up straw men and ignore any cogent points.

I’ll humor you. Here’s some examples. Friend who is a cop. Guy makes average money and is average looks. Has a very attractive wife. Another friend - also a cop. Has decent looks but not “GQ status” to use your words. Dates a 21 year old (he’s 35) who I would say is a HB 7. Last example - car mechanic who is actually from an Amish background (he gave it up) - has a stunning blonde girlfriend (HB 7.5-8). None of these guys are GQ, none of them have money/status. Normal guys with good looking Gfs/wives. Does this help you? Or do I need more “proof” for you? Am I still “talking out of my a$$”? I await your next deflection.

 

[Barrister]

I think MGTOW is a bit different for each man to some degree. I dont hate women, i enjoy them but they are not my main focus in life anymore. If they can compliment my life they can stay, if they complicate it they have to go. Either way im fine cause im not getting emotionally attached to them and im fine alone if it comes to that. I find the more aloof i am the more they are interested.
Id never cut women out of my life completely but i wont give them the time or effort i did 20 yrs ago either, it serves no purpose.

You definitely fit MGTOW in that case. You don’t sound black pill to me. Hence my original point in this discussion before it derailed into the slightly off topic side bar I’m engaged in. I don’t consider MGTOW and black pill the same things. You still enjoy women. I don’t know anyone who actively identifies as being “black pill” that really enjoys women. But I digress since apparently I am flat out wrong I am told.

 

[corrector]

I’m not. I’ve just learned that carrying on any conversation with you is an exercise in futility. You constantly set up straw men and ignore any cogent points.

I’ll humor you. Here’s some examples. Friend who is a cop. Guy makes average money and is average looks. Has a very attractive wife. Another friend - also a cop. Has decent looks but not “GQ status” to use your words. Dates a 21 year old (he’s 35) who I would say is a HB 7. Last example - car mechanic who is actually from an Amish background (he gave it up) - has a stunning blonde girlfriend (HB 7.5-8). None of these guys are GQ, none of them have money/status. Normal guys with good looking Gfs/wives. Does this help you? Or do I need more “proof” for you? Am I still “talking out of my a$$”? I await your next deflection.

Your friends could be argued not to really have an average run-of-the-mill job because they are cops. This means they have a very masculine job where they have the authority to arrest people and be really bada$$ and protect the women they love, all of which have very strong appeals. A cop would have 100 times more appeal than a guy working an office job making the same amount of money, so the TYPE of job is very important. So, cop examples are out. If I were a cop I'd probably be set for life assuming I don't get obsessed with BLM. For one, I'd need to get into shape, and build muscles, and be able to subdue people, that in itself would raise my SMV because women will then believe I can protect them and stand up for myself in a physical and masculine sense. Hiding behind brains and computers and desks is not masculine enough so those types of average jobs won't work.

The car mechanic is interesting. It is a masculine job as well, maybe less so than a cop. You have to get dirty with cars and anything involving cars is masculine. Again, this is a type of masculine job that would attract women. How did the mechanic meet his gf then? I'm a bit more interested in this example than the cop example.

So, lets rephrase what you are saying. You have friends who are in stereotypically MASCULINE jobs who have average looks.

I think we can find some red-pill agreement that if a guy takes on a masculine job, like construction, policing, mechanic, or anything where its predominantly men, and I'll even throw in fireman, EMS worker, for good measure, then these types of trades are likely to have a strong masculine appeal that will impress a woman. However, if you are in a genderless or office-type of job, and that's your average job, like IT or one of those jobs then it may not have the same type of rugged masculine appeal where its easier to impress a hot woman with your career.