All I see around me are guys 30+ in a mgtow epidemic

[MatureDJ]

No one of my same age friends nor people past this age that I meet is remotely interested in a relationship with a woman let alone marriage.

Its amazing how it more like in their 20s to be engaged or even cohabitate while it should be the other way around.

I wonder what it will be 10 years from now when the results of this trend will be no longer limited to the bottom pages of sociology books.

Its not only about not being interested in investing in a relationship or a family, they genuinely dont give a fvck about society (which I can understand for many reasons), its more like they just opened a beer and decided to sit as spectators once they are done with their own personal things.

Women dont get it, society doesnt get it, the government pretends not to get it.

I doubt that they are "not remotely interested" in a relationship (which I would count even a soft harem as being), but simply that they cannot attain a decent enough woman and therefore have just given up; if such a gal would come up smack them in the face, they would be interested - but that is not the way that Hypergamy works. Historian-sociologists will definitely notate this sociosexual alienation, although they probably won't get the part about how women's hypergamy becoming unrestrained via female sexual choice.

The part about not caring about society goes along with this alienation - especially since bachelor men pay taxes to support welfare to single mommies that have been knocked up by Chads; as I had progressed through the stage of life where a man like me in an earlier generation would have had the canonical family situation, I changed my attitude from being a "maker" to being a "taker". YouTube philosopher Aaron Clarey calls this "enjoying the decline" through minimalism and letting society devolve; this is akin to John Galt's attitude change in the book "Atlas Shrugged".

 

[MatureDJ]

Essentially need to be 6'1 and do something social, which is brutal.

 

[Desdinova]

Most of my male friends have been burned badly by women. My best friend is divorced, his ex-wife fvcked off to a different city with their children, and his paycheck is being garnished for child support. He hasn't had a GF in about a decade.

Another friend of mine has 4 kids with his ex-wife who cheated on him. He has absolutely no desire to pursue and chase women and is instead using his time to pursue his hobbies.

I have other male friends who have never been married and have been constantly dating throughout their entire adult lives. I liken them to being lost, wanting to have that life of family bliss but are instead ending up with piece of 5hit women who are still trying to find a replacement for the soulmate they lost in their early adulthood.

The few friends I have who are married have been with their companions since high school. Those are the women who have never been alpha-widowed because they're with the man who would be the one to alpha-widow them. If men would learn that THIS is the man they need to be, then they'll have the key to a successful relationship. It's not completely about trust, faith, communication and all that other mumbo jumbo people say makes a relationship, it's mainly about the low mileage of the woman they choose and his ability to be the leader in the relationship.

 

[Poonani Maker]

One man made an important point. Work hard, two jobs if you must. OWN your home in your name. That way if you do bring a woman in or a wife and you seperate or are done you have a home. A huge piece of leverage to prevent bs.

That is the rule isn't? House paid off before marriage, then she can't take it in divorce? and Trump just made itemizing your mortgage interest less of a tax benefit while lowering tax bracket percentages across the board.

 

[Poonani Maker]

But can I ask you how other than sex, can you relate to a 20 year old at 34? How can your cousin at 48 relate to a 26 year old?

I did respond to the other thread. Essentially need to be 6'1 and do something social, which is brutal.

I believe that it is unlimited Easy to relate to a 23 and up girl, than to a 20-23 yr old girl. 18-19 is just kinda painful to deal with, just not attractive how dumb/clueless they are. On a disgusting note, this past week, I sh!t you not, I was came on to by an 82 yr old. I thought (briefly) about what it would be like to have sex with her (one who was sheltered from the world, old school, and never had to work beyond house chores so minimal wrinkles), and I became pretty disgusted in the moment. It was the decrepitness of her biology (old breath/probably smell) that made me wince (and I know she can't help it, none of us can), and that I would never have sex with her even though she was turned on by my gallantry, youth, and vigor and being nice (as possible as a non-nice guy can be up unto a point). It made me sick, but I understood that there was nothing she could do about it, her age. I would fvck her if it weren't for that. It's a knowledge or sense of uneasiness that might taint ME mentally, physically, emotionally if I went through with sex with any woman past idk 60.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

It seems to me that the more a woman get railed, the less she is able to bond as we all agreed many times.

But at the same time the more a man endure headaches, being bored or annoyed the less he is able to take it so when he is fresh and mentally "new" in his 20s he can take a lot of abuse and still be interested while in his 30s even small things are more than enough to make him drop the ball.

A decreasing libido doesnt help either also right now the message that a man is defined from how many women he has is dissipating.

10 years ago all the men in their 30s were talking about how being alone was sad, now the ones I encounter all tell the opposite, something happened for sure.

I'm a loner and I'm pretty happy. Only thing that bothers me is the state of the world, other than thought I'm genuinely me not faking it like many people and couples

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Isn't that kinda self defeating since most what is the government is straight men? They're making themselves vulnerable. I wouldn't think they're happy living under the constant fear of false allegations.

Your reasoning seems to have a few holes, or their reasoning as I suggested.

Most of the government is straight men?
lol lol lol

 

[IKO69]

I can't say I see it everywhere around me, but the idea makes sense, especially as MGTOW gets out there.

We have to ask ourselves: If a man is 35 or older and hasn't settled down yet, why is that? I know there are TFL'ers and Incel people at this age that are begging for a woman but those are not the one's I have in mind...I'm talking about the guys that are decent looking and have achieved a degree of success in life. If they have not settled down yet, it's because they don't intend to and figured out the game a long time ago. They understand opportunities don't go down, they instead go up as long as they make all the right moves. I have a friend who is just a few years older, he will be 40 next year, he's pretty successful career wise and his girlfriend is a 24 year college student...that is what I am getting at.

Too many guys put the cart before the horse. They don't prioritize their their own life and live for others instead/they settle. We've all seen it a 100 times where guys pretty much get a girlfriend and "give up".

 

[corrector]

Most of my male friends have been burned badly by women. My best friend is divorced, his ex-wife fvcked off to a different city with their children, and his paycheck is being garnished for child support. He hasn't had a GF in about a decade.

Another friend of mine has 4 kids with his ex-wife who cheated on him. He has absolutely no desire to pursue and chase women and is instead using his time to pursue his hobbies.

Is his "no desire to pursue and chase women" because he's not getting traction with women period, or are they actually rejecting even women who are friendly towards them? That would make it a difference between incel and MGTOW right?

 

[guru1000]

That's good stuff. I was just speaking from experience.

But can I ask you how other than sex, can you relate to a 20 year old at 34? How can your cousin at 48 relate to a 26 year old?

I did respond to the other thread. Essentially need to be 6'1 and do something social, which is brutal.

I can relate to anyone. I can break bread with CEOs or chill with rappers. I can have a great time with an entourage of 21 yo girls and at the same time talk shop with their mothers. LOL. I encourage you to expand your circles by welcoming all and embracing fun with whomever you are with. Though, I will say if you like them instagram hot and young (early 20s), you best enjoy the night life, as that is where they will likely be. I enjoy the night life, especially in the higher circles, surrounded by 9s and other high-status guys. That's my thing and I encourage you to do the same, as you will also meet high-end business contacts. I've met two investors over the last 18 months just partying in these circles as well as introduced into other social circles.

As to my 20 yo ex, she was a sharp cookie, so we had much witty banter to keep us entertained.

But this might be all a moot point if you are not attracting them to begin with, so I will respond to your other thread with what I would recommend you to work on.

 

[Smok1nAce]

As a young guy hitting 28 (tall, fit and good looking) about to wrap up college, pay of my student loans and move out of my parrents with a starting salery of 60K+, by the time Im 30 I should be in fairly good shape, to do what I want.

My dad who is basically an old school kind of guy. Raised in the 60s, moved across america, been married twice and has a good grip on how life works. Said to me on several occasions "a man doesn't fully grow up till he 35" and says my 30s, 40s and 50s are my prime. Do i belive it it, i dont know, to me the girls were way easy when I was 18 and didnt know **** about life or women. Then I hit 21 and became invisible. During this time i wanted nothing but a girlfriend. Im hitting 28 and starting to realize I may end up alone, witch is ok at least i wont be in debt and could do what i want. But im also becoming a chick magnet and get a lot of interest from girls. Do I cash out, date and wife up the next chick.

On the other hand I have a brother (31) who got marreid to his first girlfriend out of college and had a kid. His wife gaind 50 pounds and quit her job. Now she works a minimum wage job, cant cook, clean or even take care of the child. They live in an apartment across the street from our high school. How sad is that?

If thats what i have to look foward to I rather take my chances and hold out, for something a least halfway decent.

 

[El Payaso]

One man made an important point. Work hard, two jobs if you must. OWN your home in your name. That way if you do bring a woman in or a wife and you seperate or are done you have a home. A huge piece of leverage to prevent bs.

It doesn't matter. The courts will still give it to her.

 

[Serenity]

Most of the government is straight men?
lol lol lol

Well, only 24% of the US government is women, are most the rest of them gay? Is that what you're saying? Different government?

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Well, only 24% of the US government is women, are most the rest of them gay? Is that what you're saying? Different government?

Same government, where did I mention it was a different government

 

[PeasantPlayer]

 

[Murk]

I just had a massive argument with my “childhood sweetheart” as it were.

I posted a thread before on her, the girl that’s basically my best friend, the girl who just organised my whole 30th bday on Saturday and who both of our families love.

We slept together a few times last week and week before. She’s pushing relationship and children marriage etc. I told her I’d rather start seeing each other and see where it goes. She has strict timelines and desperate for a baby, but that’s not me, not for a few years.

She basically said let’s forget everything.

She found out (I told her) me and Sara (roommate) have booked to go to Valencia in 3 weeks. She was livid. Understandable.

As much as I love her, I will not be emotionally blackmailed into a happily ever after. She wants the story, “we’ve known each other since 13 years old and been through so much” that is true, but so what?

I didn’t have the heart to tell her I will get married at 34 to a 24 year old.

Life goes on and I feel good.

 

[Serenity]

Same government, where did I mention it was a different government

I didn't imply that you mentioned that, it was a question because I didn't know you were from there.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I didn't imply that you mentioned that, it was a question because I didn't know you were from there.

I'm not

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Many politicians have been caught in same sex acts with adults and minors. And the pentagon had a huge pedo scandal. Who knows who's really straight on that level of government. 50 years ago if you would of said most catholic priests were gay pedos people would of laughed at you

 

[Desdinova]

Is his "no desire to pursue and chase women" because he's not getting traction with women period, or are they actually rejecting even women who are friendly towards them? That would make it a difference between incel and MGTOW right?

I think they're more afraid of being burned again. They both have kids.

I would say we men in our thirties are every bit as Alpha widowed by women we had amazing chemistry with right off the bat and made everything effortless for us.

I don't really feel that way. There have been a few women in my life who were like that, but I don't feel the need to replace them with replicas. Every woman brings something different to the table, and I'm fine with "different". However, I'm not fine with pieces of 5hit nor women who end a relationship to go fvck someone else, and then miserably try to get back together. Once I cut ties with a woman (or she cuts ties with me), she's pretty much dead in my books.