Ah, like I called it, she was an attention wh*re after all

[edger]

Remember my thread http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=150614 from a few weeks ago about the attention wh*re I ran into at a club? Anyhow, I seen her last night at the same club. At one point her and her friend stood right in front of me, I'm pretty sure they were looking at me, but I ignored her, because I know what she's about, afterall, she blew me off when I waved her over(poor chick, her mistake). All I did was look away the whole time as I talked to my buddy. While she was standing in front of me, she had to be about 3 or 4 feet away from me. She stood there for a while too. It seemed she was trying to get my attention and see if I would give it to her. Too bad though, cause she was playing with the wrong guy.

 

[jophil28]

Remember my thread http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=150614 from a few weeks ago about the attention wh*re I ran into at a club? Anyhow, I seen her last night at the same club. At one point her and her friend stood right in front of me, I'm pretty sure they were looking at me, but I ignored her, because I know what she's about, afterall, she blew me off when I waved her over(poor chick, her mistake). All I did was look away the whole time as I talked to my buddy. While she was standing in front of me, she had to be about 3 or 4 feet away from me. She stood there for a while too. It seemed she was trying to get my attention and see if I would give it to her. Too bad though, cause she was playing with the wrong guy.

You feel better about that now ?

THe objective in socializing is to MEET women not ignore them. If she was standing right by you, then perhaps she was positioning herself to attract your attention and draw you into a convo. This is what woman do. They dangle themselves as bait. Indeed you did not take the bait on offer because you are invested in your belief that all she wants is ATTENTION and nothing more. You cannot know that for sure because you did not test her responses to an approach..

Another lonely cab ride home ?

 

[edger]

Indeed you did not take the bait on offer because you are invested in your belief that all she wants is ATTENTION and nothing more. You cannot know that for sure because you did not test her responses to an approach..

Another lonely cab ride home ?

I do know that for sure, because she blew me off when I waved her over. I'm aware you disagree with "waving" over, but just a little thing you might wanna make note of, is that, "waving" her over conveys you're the prize, confidence, etc.

 

[Jitterbug]

You're rather stingy with giving out attention, aren't you?

 

[jophil28]

I do know that for sure, because she blew me off when I waved her over. I'm aware you disagree with "waving" over, but just a little thing you might wanna make note of, is that, "waving" her over conveys you're the prize, confidence, etc.

Here is a little thing that YOU might also want to make note of - "waving her over" may convey that you are the prize IF you are famous and wealthy and your name is Rod Stewart out on the town with two bruisers to protect you against ga ga woman..
IF not, waving her over is likely to convey that you are a weakling who is too timid to approach, and you have a bloated opinion of your own attractiveness.

I bet on my take over your's...

She has been "available" twice for the taking. The first time you played hard to get and danced alone not to look "desperate" - that went well for you - not.
And recently she is standing three feet away and you ignored her (not to look desperate again? ) . That strategy also produced no result that was to your benefit , BUT your ego is preserved by labeling her an AW.

Read your own sig line and go out and practise your own words.
Good hunting ( next time out, pull the trigger)

 

[Vulpine]

Chances are she didn't remember some chump waving at her from a couple weeks ago.

She was just standing there, you don't know her name, she doesn't know yours.

 

[SoCalMike]

Agree with Vulpine. She probably didn't take much notice of you.

Dude, it's a club. Forget clubs. You can't hear anything at clubs. Much better to talk to a girl at Starbucks or someplace like that.

Here's another example: my wingman and I went a sports bar on Saturday evening. It was rather early, so not that crowded yet. And not very loud either. There were 2 HB8's across from us. We noticed them staring. So we struck up a conversation, joked with them, eventually got their numbers and ended up hanging out with them at Pechanga (a casino) until about 3 am. We now have another date set up for next week.

I don't say this to brag, since it's really not a big deal, lots of guys do it. Just trying to show you how a successful "meet women" encounter can work.

Bottom line: you will RARELY meet chicks at clubs my friend. You can't HEAR anything, there's too many sweaty dudes hitting on them, they have their b*tch shields up on max, etc etc

 

[edger]

Chances are she didn't remember some chump waving at her from a couple weeks ago.

"Chump" you say, interesting. I'm always willing to hear some constructive criticism if it can be backed up with solid facts. Wanna share?

 

[edger]

Here is a little thing that YOU might also want to make note of - "waving her over" may convey that you are the prize IF you are famous and wealthy and your name is Rod Stewart out on the town with two bruisers to protect you against ga ga woman..
IF not, waving her over is likely to convey that you are a weakling who is too timid to approach, and you have a bloated opinion of your own attractiveness.

I bet on my take over your's...

Let me tell ya something....my co-worker waves chix over all the time, and it usually always works for him...so don't give me, "It makes you look like a weakling unless you're famous". I too have had success with it in the past.

She has been "available" twice for the taking. The first time you played hard to get and danced alone not to look "desperate" - that went well for you - not.

I think you're getting this chick confused with the attention wh*re from 2 months ago, because what you described here, didn't even happen.

 

[Mr. Me]

I still don't get how you arrive at that conclusion.

Maybe she told her friend, "Hey, watch this! I'll betcha 20 bucks I can get that guy to wave his hand."

 

[jophil28]

Forget "waving them over " . Your "buddy" might be working this tactic. BUT it sure ain't working for you.
Here is a radical thought . Why not just forget all the lame PUA circus tricks and just go over and "talk " to a woman. They respond well, you know, to a grown up man acting like one.

Sheesh ! It just is not as hard as you are making it, Edger..

 

[Vulpine]

"Chump" you say, interesting. I'm always willing to hear some constructive criticism if it can be backed up with solid facts. Wanna share?

From her perspective, you're just another chump in the crowd. You did nothing to separate yourself from the rest of the AFC's. There's no need to take it personally, like I said, you don't know her name, she doesn't know yours.

Just as you think she's an AW, she probably thinks you're just another chump.

It's a two-way street.

 

[edger]

Forget "waving them over " . Your "buddy" might be working this tactic. BUT it sure ain't working for you.
Here is a radical thought . Why not just forget all the lame PUA circus tricks and just go over and "talk " to a woman. They respond well, you know, to a grown up man acting like one.

Sheesh ! It just is not as hard as you are making it, Edger..

The thing is, I haven't used the "waving" them over tactic enough to say that it isn't "working" for me or that it doesn't work. I have to do it a bit more to make an accurate asssement of it. Trial by error. The only way I can evaluate it, is based on experience. I'll see where it takes me and definitely will report back on it. I've heard it works, so I'd rather first try something that's been known to work, than try something that I'm not sure works.

You're right though saying "forget all the lame Pick-Up Artist circus tricks and just go over and talk to a woman". More often than one would think here, what would be considered AFC moves, DO reel in babes. I've seen it and have been shocked myself in the past, considering everything that's taught here on SoSuave says the opposite. Again like I say, "You're gonna hear this, that, and that on this site and others, but at the end, let your OWN experience be your guide with women. It's the total truth.

 

[edger]

From her perspective, you're just another chump in the crowd. You did nothing to separate yourself from the rest of the AFC's. There's no need to take it personally, like I said, you don't know her name, she doesn't know yours.

Just as you think she's an AW, she probably thinks you're just another chump.

It's a two-way street.

I think I seperated myself from the rest of the AFC's out there. 98% of AFC's will walk up to a woman or try to dance with her, not wave her over.

 

[jophil28]

You're right though saying "forget all the lame Pick-Up Artist circus tricks and just go over and talk to a woman". More often than one would think here, what would be considered AFC moves, DO reel in babes. I've seen it and have been shocked myself in the past, considering everything that's taught here on SoSuave says the opposite. Again like I say, "You're gonna hear this, that, and that on this site and others, but at the end, let your OWN experience be your guide with women. It's the total truth.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Just because some smooth operator sells a CD program which preaches "alpha male domination by aloofness, frame strength via a smirking jerkism " blah blah...does NOT make it a universally applicable tactic which works for every guy every time.
In the same way. "The Rules" do not work for all women every time (if at all )

Secondly , just because some male behaviors are slapped with the AFC label by some knowall wannabe alpha bad ass, does not make it so. Decide for yourself .

WE are talking about human behavior. Nothing is set in stone. It AIN'T SCIENCE .We are not talking about predictable testable and repeatable methodologies in spite of what the egomaniacs will tell you... What works well for me will not be as effective when implemented by another guy and vice versa.
However there appears to be some traits in men which are universally attractive to the majority of women, most of the time ( but not all )
I do not need to elaborate because these are well known, however even the famous C&f which has a high success rate for me has been the kiss of death on several occasions.

It is all just a f**ng random experiment sometimes.
We all need to discover what works for us.

 

[STR8UP]

You're right though saying "forget all the lame Pick-Up Artist circus tricks and just go over and talk to a woman". More often than one would think here, what would be considered AFC moves, DO reel in babes. I've seen it and have been shocked myself in the past, considering everything that's taught here on SoSuave says the opposite. Again like I say, "You're gonna hear this, that, and that on this site and others, but at the end, let your OWN experience be your guide with women. It's the total truth.

What I have noticed is in a bar environment it's tough to just "walk over and say hi". The b!tch shields are up, and if you don't play that caricature role you aren't likely to break it down unless she finds you physically attractive from the get go (as in, she already made eye contact, etc)

I tried to ask a chick a question the other night at a bar. Wasn't even trying to hit on her. She wouldn't even look me in the eye. She just shrugged her shoulders and looked away as fast as she could. I felt like yelling "NICE TO MEET YOU TOO!" but what would that have done?

I don't think clubs and bars are the place to "be yourself" unless you are the one with the over the top personality.

 

[SoCalMike]

bars and clubs suck. unless it's early at the bar, it's not crowded, and you can hear what the girl is saying. otherwise don't even bother.

i'm sure you'll ignore this though.