African refugees bring more cultural enrichment and “drama,” this time to Erie, PA

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Got to love the enrichment of immigration and multiculturalism brought to you by the libs. The US State Department is bringing in these 3-rd world 'refugees' picked by the UN by the tens of thousands and pays private-sector contractors (could be a church organization or other approved non-profit) millions and billions in tax dollars to settle these people in various places throughout the US (usually in mostly white areas).

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/african-refugees-bring-more-cultural-enrichment-and-drama-this-time-to-erie-pa/

This must be Somalis-gone-wild week or something! ‘Pungentpeppers’ just spotted this story from a few weeks ago about armed “Kenyans” from Buffalo invading the home of “Africans” in Erie. By the sound of the names, most of those involved appear to be Somalis.

Both Erie, PA and Buffalo, NY are top resettlement sites for African (and other) refugees. Both are US State Department preferred communities, here.

Interesting that these invaders also used the automobile ramming technique we just heard about in Amarillo (”where subtle aspects of far-away cultures have taken root”).


Kaltuma Hassan : “A lot of Africans, they have drama and drama always go on. So they think the only way to settle it, is to kill somebody or fight somebody.”

From Erie TV News (be sure to watch the video!). Don’t you wonder if this was a random attack or whether someone in the household was being targeted?

And, check it out, a quick response by the police saved the family!

Six people from Buffalo, New York are sitting in the Erie County jail after police say they invaded a home on Erie’s east side.

According to Erie police, at around 9:45 p.m. Friday, a group of people invaded a home in the 900 block on East 11th Street.

“When they were first banging on the doors, I didn’t know who it was,” said Kaltuma Hassan, who lives at the home. “I was just figuring it was my brothers and then my parents were screaming, ‘who is it?’

Police said two armed men entered the home, dragged Hassan outside and started beating her.

“One of the boys was pointing a gun at me so I’m like, ‘Ok, he’s gonna shoot me.’ And I didn’t know and then the other boy kicked me and he had steel boots on and he just kicked me and I just blacked out,” she said.

Erie police officer Nick Bernatowicz was on the scene within a minute. He found a white van crashed into the home, and more than dozen people outside, several were armed with guns. When Bernatowicz drew his gun, police said he saw several people run behind the van. Bernatowicz heard a gun shot and took cover. As Bernatowicz waited for backup, the suspects took off in the van down East 11th Street.

“They thought there was like a road down there, so they came and stopped in the middle of the street and that’s when the cops came after them,” said Marianne Hassan, who also lives in the home.

The suspects apparently put the van in reverse, trying to run the officer over, and then took off running. Police said Bernatowicz jumped in the van and put it in park. Police arrested five men and one woman. The suspects are from Buffalo, New York, but are native to Kenya. Police believe the home invasion stems from a prior dispute.

“A lot of Africans, they have drama and drama always go on,” said Kaltuma. “So they think the only way to settle it, is to kill somebody or fight somebody.” [Is this their contribution to cultural diversity?—ed]


The Hassan family said without the quick response from police, they wouldn’t be alive to tell their story. [Thanks to the police no one was killed.—ed]

“I was pretty surprised and amazed that they came quickly,” said Maryanne. “Because, If they didn’t come, they would still be here shooting. Like, they we’re trying to kill all of us.” The suspects, Yassin Warsame, 18; Mohammed Salad Osman, 19; Hawa Hassan, 18; Muia Jumle, 19; Adbi Ibrihim, 19; and David Toe, 24, are charged with burglary, terroristic threats, criminal trespass, simple assault, unlawful restraint and disorderly conduct. Border patrol was called in to confirm the suspects’ identities. Police said they could be deported back to Kenya.

The US receives a large number of Somali “refugees” from Kenya (the UN picks them for us!) and there is no way Kenya is going to take these trouble-makers back—-they are our problem now! We processed 654 “refugees” through Kenya in only the first three months of this fiscal year (Oct. 1, 2014-Dec. 31, 2014), however, keep in mind we do not take “Kenyan” refugees unless their name is Obama (as in Aunt Zeituni and Uncle Omar).
When enough of these immigrants are here, the police will be overwhelmed won't be able to respond so excellently within a minute.
 

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Same ole same ole. I will say though, another race thread probably won't take too well here. Well all know the truth in this forum. As we said in the other thread, we need to take to action rather than trying to convince others here.

The liberal posters on this forum, while they know the truth deep down, will never admit to it. I wouldn't waste your time. Plus, you're a good poster and I wouldn't want to see you get banned by a mod with an itchy trigger finger when Gaylan spams the 'Report Post' button.
 

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I guess, but I see it as a thread about immigration and multiculturalism policy, how it is being done and real life problems and crime it's creating. I don't think most people know the details of the refugee resettlement. If posters like Jaylan don't like it maybe they should be the ones to leave.
 

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Stagger Lee said:
I guess, but I see it as a thread about immigration and multiculturalism policy, how it is being done and real life problems and crime it's creating. I don't think most people know the details of the refugee resettlement.
I agree, I am all for discussing it if we can get down to the truth, which is summed up here:
Kaltuma Hassan : “A lot of Africans, they have drama and drama always go on. So they think the only way to settle it, is to kill somebody or fight somebody.”
I don't really need to say much more, she said it all. I have no clue if that's in the DNA or taught, but it has no place in this civilization. I have also seen the radicals say that the western police system was not created for them, so how they can expect it to protect them? I guess they would rather it be more similar to the wild jungles of Africa.

Stagger Lee said:
If posters like Jaylan don't like it maybe they should be the ones to leave.
I agree, they do not add to the site whether in this type conversation or in attracting women/being better men, but for whatever reason the mods have elected to simply lock threads and say "no race threads" rather than let reasonable people have discussion about a topic that needs to be addressed.
 

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Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data



http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race...right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/


Despite claims by right-wingers (both mainstream and overtly white supremacist) that violent crime by African-Americans is out of control — and that blacks are criminally victimizing whites at massive and disproportionate rates — the facts say otherwise. As I show in the below analysis:

* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.

Now for the full essay:

http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race...right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/


So Just How Dangerous Are Black Folks? The Trouble With Right-Wing Data Analysis

First, according to the 2008 data Williams relied on (see Table 42), which is the most recent comprehensive data published by the Justice Department on violent crime victimizations, that year there were approximately 3.6 million violent crimes involving a single-offender. These crimes include assault, both simple and aggravated (mostly simple), robbery, and sexual assault or rape.

Of those 3.6 million violent crimes, whites committed 2.1 million of them (58.4%) while blacks committed about 830,000 (22.8%) About 442,000 (or 12%) involved perpetrators whose race was not known to the victim. Thus, for crimes where the race of the perpetrator was known to the victims (about 3.2 million crimes), whites would have committed about 66 percent (two-thirds) and blacks about 26 percent (one-fourth). If we assume the same rough racial distribution for crimes where the perpetrator’s race was not known as for crimes where the offender race was known (a reasonable guess), this would mean that whites committed an additional 300,000 crimes, roughly, while blacks would have committed an additional 115,000. In all, this would mean that in 2008, whites committed roughly 2.4 million single offender violent crimes, while blacks would have committed around 950,000.

Since there were roughly 31 million African Americans, age 12 and over — and thus eligible for consideration in crime data — in 2008 (this is noted in the same DOJ tables Williams and I are both referencing here), at most, this would mean that for every 1000 blacks in the population there were 30 criminal offenders, and thus, at most, 3 percent of blacks committed a violent crime in 2008 (meaning, importantly, that at least 97 percent did not). And since there were approximately 205 million whites, 12 and over, in the population that year, this would mean that for every 1000 whites in the population there were 12 criminal offenders, and thus, at most, about 1.2 percent of whites committed a violent crime in 2008.*

Of course, in truth, and for both groups, the numbers are quite a bit smaller than this. After all, the 30 offenders per 1000 persons (the 3 percent rate of offending for blacks) are not 30 different people. In other words, to say that 3 percent of blacks commit a violent crime each year would assume that each offender committed only one crime, such that the number of offenses equalled the number of offenders, but that isn’t the case. There are, as we all know, many offenders who commit multiple offenses each year. As such, the number of offenders would be quite a bit smaller than the number of offenses.

Criminologists have estimated, for instance, that 70 percent of criminal offenses are committed by just 7 percent of the total offenders, meaning that there is a small hardcore group of seriously predatory criminals out there doing most of the crime. This would mean that 93 percent of all offenders commit just 30 percent of the crimes. So this would mean that of the 950,000 violent crimes committed by blacks in 2008, 70 percent of them (or 665,000) would have been committed by just 7 percent of all black offenders, while 285,000, roughly, would have been committed by the other 93 percent of offenders. If we assume that the 93 percent who weren’t the major repeat offenders only committed one crime each (likely a conservative estimate, but one which errs on the side of the right-wing argument by maximizing the potential numbers of black offenders), this would mean that, at most, the 285,000 offenses actually equate to 93 percent of the offenders. If 285,000 represents 93 percent of all black offenders, then the remaining 7 percent of offenders above that number would come to only an additional 20,000 or so offenders — major hardcore criminals who commit about 665,000 crimes each year. This would mean that at most there might be a little more than 300,000 individual black violent offenders each year. As a percentage of the 12 and over black population in 2008, this would represent only about 1 percent of all blacks who will commit a violent crime in a given year, versus 99 percent who will not.

Even if we just restricted the analysis to black males — and even if all these crimes were committed by males, which they were not — it would mean that no more than 2 percent of black males would commit a violent crime in a given year. This alone is an important point to keep in mind, as it suggests that having a generalized fear of black folks, or black men, is the height of statistical irrationality.

But…But…What About the Black-on-White Crime Data? How the Right Distorts Interracial Crime Figures

As for interracial crime data, this is where right-wing statistical stupidity just becomes downright manipulative. On the one hand, yes, according to the tables, there were indeed far more black-on-white violent crimes (B-W) than white-on-black violent crimes (W-B) in 2008: about 429,000 in the first case and only about 91,000 in the other. Meaning that out of about 520,000 single-offender interracial violent crimes that year, 82.5 percent were black-on-white (B-W) while only 17.5 percent were white-on-black (W-B). My goodness! Perhaps Williams has a point.

Well, no, not really. And for someone who is supposedly a reputable scholar, his illogic is particularly glaring. Before explaining why, let us just note at the outset that there is no reason to believe most of these attacks (either the B-W or the W-B) were racially motivated. This data does not refer to hate-related violence, or violence where there has been a discernible racial motivation (as Pat Buchanan recently claimed on Fox), and indeed, the biggest racial disproportion for violent crime, numerically — and year after year — is in the area of robbery, the motivation for which is pecuniary (financial), rather than bigotry.

But more than that, even the basic claim that B-W crime is wildly disproportionate and indicative of some kind of race-based targeting by black offenders against white victims is utter nonsense. Here’s why.
First, relative rates of interracial offending are directly influenced by an important factor, which goes ignored by Williams: namely, the relative rates of criminal offending in general for blacks as opposed to whites. In other words, if the black criminal offending rate in general is 2.5 times higher than the white offending rate, which it was in 2008 (30 per 1000 blacks/12 per 1000 whites), we should logically expect far more black-on-white crimes than white-on-black crimes, simply as a matter of random chance, and having nothing to do with racial targeting.


http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race...right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/
 

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the biggest racial disproportion for violent crime, numerically — and year after year — is in the area of robbery, the motivation for which is pecuniary (financial), rather than bigotry.
I read Tim Wise sometimes but I don't think he actually KNOWS many Black men, at least criminally-oriented ones.

A person's Whiteness is absolutely one of several reasons for targeting them in robberies or scams. It's actually probably the second most important other than gender. Whites are seen by Black criminals as weak or naive and rich and they use those racial stereotypes to pick out their best victims. Same reason they victimize Asians disproportionately.
 

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FairShake said:
I read Tim Wise sometimes but I don't think he actually KNOWS many Black men, at least criminally-oriented ones.

A person's Whiteness is absolutely one of several reasons for targeting them in robberies or scams. It's actually probably the second most important other than gender. Whites are seen by Black criminals as weak or naive and rich and they use those racial stereotypes to pick out their best victims. Same reason they victimize Asians disproportionately.
And the reason why they think that whites are weak and naive is the preponderance of liberal idiots like Embers84.
 

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Embers, there's a lot of problems with your left-wing data analysis too. I could post data to dispute it. Even Government statics are very clear that European and E Asian commit much less crime. Racial crime rates was not really my point here, although you should be free to post about that if you want imo.

My point is the government should not be bringing in various people from mostly 3rd world countries into the US in numbers over a 1 million a year plus nearly a million illegally, changing the make up and culture of the US.


https://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/educational/immigration-world-poverty-and-gumballs-updated-2010.html
https://www.numbersusa.com/change/immigration/numbers/
 

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Embers84 said:
* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another).
I agree with this. I ran the numbers myself not too long ago. Blacks are not racial killers on the whole, BUT they are much more dangerous as a whole, to all races. Even this guy realizes that (in bold).

Embers84 said:
Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;
Can't do that. Cooked statistic.

Embers84 said:
In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.
Another cooked statistic. Only stats that matter are per capita. Blacks are more likely to be murdered by whites because there are more whites. Duh. Whites are less likely to be murdered by blacks for the same reason. The rate is still disproportionate.

Then he acknowledges that hispanics are grouped in with whites. Nice troll job.
 

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Multiculturalism is working great in France right now.
It's working great in every country. Besides Africa, Asia and Israel obviously. For some wacky reason they're spared the mulitcult gift and seem to be exempt from being flooded with hordes of immigrants with incompatible ideologies to their host country and (encouraged) contempt for their hosts. Must be really tearing them up. On a side note I wonder when the "Finns" will show up in Africa and bombard their media, political parties and schools declaring Africa is too black? Any day now...lets just wait...any day now.
 

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Danger said:
Embers,

Without speaking on race, doesn't it make sense to NOT have this influx of immigration and multi-culture bull$hit if it also imports increased crime statistics? Let's cut through the race bull$hit for a moment and look at just the numbers.
Not to mention the high costs of welfare and social services, the cost of providing more infrastructure for the swelling population, and the increased competition over jobs and resources.
 

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Embers84 said:
* and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;
Is this Wise guy advocating for or against claims of higher violence by black men? That's an extremely high rate of violent crime, or is it a typo? You sure it isn't .2%?
 

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Stagger Lee said:
Got to love the enrichment of immigration and multiculturalism brought to you by the libs. The US State Department is bringing in these 3-rd world 'refugees' picked by the UN by the tens of thousands and pays private-sector contractors (could be a church organization or other approved non-profit) millions and billions in tax dollars to settle these people in various places throughout the US (usually in mostly white areas).
Irregardless of any race based feelings, this IS quote a boondoggle.

I've read about stuff like this. Christian churches preach acceptance etc. to the congregation, they get enough "votes" to accept a certain number of immigrants. Then the church gets a HUGE cut of the resettlement costs.

I don't believe this is any kind of racial conspiracy or anything, just another example of people conning the crap out of each other, and getting paid, all at the taxpayer's (or rather the printing machine's) expense.

WIN for the church, they get money.
WIN for the politicians, they get low information voters
WIN for the refugees, they get a better place to live.
WIN for the congregation, they get to spread the word of JEEEESUS to Starvin Marvin.

All WIN All The Time!

What's not to love?
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
Irregardless of any race based feelings, this IS quote a boondoggle.

I've read about stuff like this. Christian churches preach acceptance etc. to the congregation, they get enough "votes" to accept a certain number of immigrants. Then the church gets a HUGE cut of the resettlement costs.

I don't believe this is any kind of racial conspiracy or anything, just another example of people conning the crap out of each other, and getting paid, all at the taxpayer's (or rather the printing machine's) expense.

WIN for the church, they get money.
WIN for the politicians, they get low information voters
WIN for the refugees, they get a better place to live.
WIN for the congregation, they get to spread the word of JEEEESUS to Starvin Marvin.

All WIN All The Time!

What's not to love?
I agree the smaller players including churches and non-profits (not all the refugee resettlement contractor are churches) are just interested in it for the money and are being bought off. At the very top, the ones creating these policies, so-called multiculturalism and diversity is the plan. it's still part of a race/ethnicity based conspiracy, and certainly causes racial/ethnic problems.
 
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