Affraid of how feminism are modelling our society

[Keenan]

Something along puritanical and fascist lines.

So are you saying that feminism will completely destroy society and a new regime with rise from the ashes?

 

[Keenan]

I have no faith in fallible humans.

On the bright side, God is perfect.

You don't believe that some men have perfected themselves, in that they have come to master their "sins" and weaknesses, like a Buddha or a Christ?

 

[wifehunter]

You don't believe that some men have perfected themselves, in that they have come to master their "sins" and weaknesses, like a Buddha or a Christ?

All have sinned and fall short of God's own perfection.

 

[Keenan]

All have sinned and fall short of God's own perfection.

You still didn't answer the question.

 

[wifehunter]

You still didn't answer the question.

Only Christ is perfect.

Buying Bitcoin would help to downplay the role and power of corrupt governments.

 

[Keenan]

Only Christ is perfect.

Buying Bitcoin would help to downplay the role and power of corrupt governments.

You still didn't really answer the question.

Are you not aware that there are such men living who have successfully mastered their baser impulses, like greed, lust, slander, anger, revenge, etc. and achieved self-mastery over themselves?

And do you not think it possible for such wise men to come into a nation's leadership and uplift and change its moral fabric?

EDIT: What country are you in?

 

[wifehunter]

You still didn't really answer the question.

Are you not aware that there are such men living who have successfully mastered their baser impulses, like greed, lust, slander, anger, revenge, etc. and achieved self-mastery over themselves?

And do you not think it possible for such wise men to come into a nation's leadership and uplift and change its moral fabric?

EDIT: What country are you in?

You assume it's possible to be without sin. This is why your question isn't answered. You erroneously presuppose that man is 'naturally good' or can attain sinlessness.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - KJV

 

[Keenan]

You assume it's possible to be without sin. This is why your question isn't answered. You erroneously presuppose that man is 'naturally good' or can attain sinlessness.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - KJV

Do you not think that holding to such beliefs as these actually serves as an obstacle in the pursuit of living a stainless and pure life?

 

[wifehunter]

Do you not think that holding to such beliefs as these actually serves as an obstacle in the pursuit of living a stainless and pure life?

Not at all, people who think they can attain perfection on their own, are usually self-righteous, uptight, sticks in the mud. They be become gods unto themselves. They end up worshiping themselves.

That's the obstacle...their HUGE arrogant egos.

Only God is perfect and only God can make one perfect.

See: the book of Romans on Justification and Glorification

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

So are you saying that feminism will completely destroy society and a new regime with rise from the ashes?

Good outcome - economic depression returns us back to the 'natural order of things'.

Bad outcome - a chaotic democracy devolves into populism and then into authoritarianism/ fascism. Arguably, radical democracies devolve into fascist-like governments.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

You assume it's possible to be without sin. This is why your question isn't answered. You erroneously presuppose that man is 'naturally good' or can attain sinlessness.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - KJV

This is the difference between the modern Protestant view and the classical Catholic view of human nature. Where the one emphasizes the complete corruption of human nature, the other equally emphasizes the development and redemption of that nature through virtue. As, in the Protestant world, the potential for perfectibility is displaced completely to the hereafter and hermetically sealed from this world, this sets up a dichotomy and split within ourselves... within the present and future. Because we do not see the need for virtue here and now, we do not see the reality of vice. We are thus free to pursue avarice, greed and lust in creating a capitalistic world.

 

[wifehunter]

This is the difference between the modern Protestant view and the classical Catholic view of human nature. Where the one emphasizes the complete corruption of human nature, the other equally emphasizes the development and redemption of that nature through virtue. As, in the Protestant world, the potential for perfectibility is displaced completely to the hereafter and hermetically sealed from this world, this sets up a dichotomy and split within ourselves... within the present and future. Because we do not see the need for virtue here and now, we do not see the reality of vice. We are thus free to pursue avarice, greed and lust in creating a capitalistic world.

Yes people abuse it, as a license to sin. But, they really are not aware of the gravity of their situation, and have no gratitude for the price that was paid. So I have to bring into question, their authenticity.

Actions speak.

 

[Keenan]

Good outcome - economic depression returns us back to the 'natural order of things'.

Bad outcome - a chaotic democracy devolves into populism and then into authoritarianism/ fascism. Arguably, radical democracies devolve into fascist-like governments.

If feminism continues to prevail as it is in today's western world, how long do you predict it will take before the events you've outlined start to unfold?

Furthermore, what do you believe to be the process of devolving from a radical democracy into a fascist-like government?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

If feminism continues to prevail as it is in today's western world, how long do you predict it will take before the events you've outlined start to unfold?

Furthermore, what do you believe to be the process of devolving from a radical democracy into a fascist-like government?

First comes populism... where a popular leader mobilizes his own base, circumventing the usual institutional restraints such as bureaucracy and media. You are starting to see something of this in the person of Trump - a simplistic two-dimensional ideological view of the world, the demonization of intellectuals/ media that are in disagreement, a lack of humor [boycotting media events], the breakdown of civil discussion/ debate, nationalism, parochialism, chauvinism.

 

[Keenan]

First comes populism... where a popular leader mobilizes his own base, circumventing the usual institutional restraints such as bureaucracy and media. You are starting to see something of this in the person of Trump - a simplistic two-dimensional ideological view of the world, the demonization of intellectuals/ media that are in disagreement, a lack of humor [boycotting media events], the breakdown of civil discussion/ debate, nationalism, parochialism, chauvinism.

So how long do you think it will be before fascism kicks in?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

So how long do you think it will be before fascism kicks in?

It would not be fascist but fascist-like. A mass politics that plays to the crowd, and avoiding reality will look to create war. A little bit like today really....