AFCs are goddamned fvcking a$$holes... or is it me?

[Turuwal]

TL;DR: skip to the bottom and answer my question if you dare...


Prologue

When I was 13, at a school camp, I was sitting alone for some time out when one of the girls from the cool group came and sat really close and opened me, and I accidentally pulled an extraction so smooth that it would be 17 years before anything of its like would be repeated:

HB: Why are you sitting by yourself? [Smells cigarette smoke] Oh I see.
Me: I have some minties in my tent.
HB: Ok let's go.

While we were walking she leaned into me and I pulled away but she did it again so I held contact.

HB: Hey Turuwal.
Me: Yes HB?
HB: Nothing.

Then, tragically, when we reached my tent I went and got the minties. Then went back to the camp.

I still kick myself for it 18 years later.

Anyway, when school came back, the guys in the cool group were such a$$holes to me (not about her but in general) that I left the group and spent the next 4 years in the wilderness. But I always had a connection somehow to every group in the grade, and was consistently re-opened by the HBs with my only enemy being my own stupidity.


Today

I have seen so much sh*t and been in the field for so long that normal interractions are starting to look like a computer game to me. I'm talking about sh*t that is way way out of scope of the manual like trying to calm down a coked-up gangster/terrorist/freedom fighter packing a gun in some sh*tty car near the border of two dodgy South American countries who is angry as f*ck and shouting down the phone at his GF that he's gonna come kill her. Whilst I am also trying to hit on a HB who is in the car. Because my bus ditched all the passengers due to a landslide in the middle of the road.

When you have seen that much crazy stuff, simple in-field interractions like AFC competition and HB manipulation just roll off you.

In fact the only thing that bothers me now is how much goddamned energy it takes to game women under impossible foreign country logistics when I would be absolutely rolling in p*ssy back home.


Into the field

After my back woods country adventure I finally get to a big city. I roll into a hostel around midnight and immediately join the party. I open everyone in sight and am friendly to everyone.

As expected, the big tall stupid "alpha" male comes up and tries to get one up on me, putting his hands on me, stealing my drink, all the usual stuff. I ignore it and put a big smile on my face, pat him on the back in return, and generally treat him like a pal. He has no possible response.

I get to work on the HBs. There is a hot one behind the bar so I challenge her to a dance off.

The HBs start pulling their usual attempts at manipulation - using other guys to try to make me mad - and I ignore it.

The HBs see that I can't be moved and start competing against each other for attention, braying like donkeys, really unattractive stuff. I have seen this all before and get bored and go to bed.


Clearing my head

The next day I go run the newbie mission (saying "hi" to everyone) to clear my head. The fifth HB I open is a goer so I insta-date her to a tourist site, move to a cafe, then bring her back to my hostel roof bar.

As expected, the AFCs who were a$$holes to me the day before start acting nice to me to have a crack at my HB. I introduce her to the "alpha" male from the night before because they are from the same country. He runs out of game within 5 minutes despite having a language advantage over me.

Two more AFCs come join us at our table and use me for an indirect opener. I greet them warmly and steer the conversation towards relationships. Within 10 minutes they are qualifying and both whining about how girls in their previous relationships cheated on them. I say that it is impossible for my GFs to cheat on me as I let them have sex with anyone they want anyway. Easy money.

I extract my HB back to my dorm room. Outside the door I state my intentions to save time and prevent any bullsh*t:

Me: HB, I like you, and I'd like if you stayed here with me for a while.
HB: Ok.

In the room I answer her concerns about me being a player with something about "I just give girls the opportunity to prove themselves to me" while escalating kino. Her standard lines about not having sex roll off me because I have pulled off so many impossible pickups that I don't even care. She attempts to LJBF me but I respond with "I don't do friends very well".

She is leaving the next day and has to pack so I organise a meet up two hours later. She shows up, I keep gaming, then go for broke and go back to her hostel but despite pushing HARD I am unable to sex her. Regardless, I walk away with a massive smile on my face because I didn't p*ssy out.

When I get back to the hostel, as expected, all the guys who were nice to me when I had my HB are back to being a$$holes again.

Fvckers.


TL;DR

So here are my theories:

1. AFCs are a$$holes because they know they can't match me, and HBs are b!tches because they know they can't manipulate me. I should suck it up (princess) and keep on gaming.

2. I'm an a$$hole because I couldn't give two sh*ts about anything that any AFC or HB does. I should at least let the AFCs and HBs THINK they have a chance and keep on gaming.

3. Everyone is on coke and I'm pushing sh*t uphill. I should do some lines and keep on gaming.


What do you think?

 

[adam225]

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[lanba]

good

 

[Bace]

Don't do drugs, cociane's a hellavuh drug.

This sounds more like venting. You did that line didn't you?

What i don't understand is why a newbie mission is necessarily run if you claim to be very successful at home, language barrier creating AA? Don't get it.

Mixture of one and two most probably but if its a language thing, can only suggest bettering yourself at it. I'd be quite interested to hear about your
'Bus-Landslide game', opinion opener or situational?

 

[Turuwal]

Don't do drugs, cociane's a hellavuh drug.

This sounds more like venting. You did that line didn't you?

What i don't understand is why a newbie mission is necessarily run if you claim to be very successful at home, language barrier creating AA? Don't get it.

Mixture of one and two most probably but if its a language thing, can only suggest bettering yourself at it. I'd be quite interested to hear about your
'Bus-Landslide game', opinion opener or situational?

Heh just joking about that line, seen enough fvcked up coke-heads down here to know not to do it ;-)

Yeah I can see how I didn't make sense, I did the newbie mission because I was feeling really boxed in emotionally from the negative energy of people around me and I figured it might just be them absorbing my own negative energy and feeding it back to me. The newbie mission is good at any time because it forces you to get outside of your head when you get stuck philosophising and analysing rather than just acting on instinct. I think it was anxiety from dealing with all the craziness I had seen that was causing my AA. At home I have a massive circle of friends who have my back but here I'm alone and I literally am anxious about my safety at times.

Bus landslide game? Situational of course! When the situation is that crazy you don't need opinion openers ;-)

 

[Thundernuts]

Dude,

fvck them, you're doing fine man just playing it cool.

And don't drugs. Drugs are bad. If you really need to keep an eye in the back of your head the last thing you need to do is act like a coked-out idiot in a foreign country.

 

[El Payaso]

That first story was hilarious. Ah, the oblivious teenage years. I was 16 and we were at camp. This girl sneaked into my bed at night. I told her to go back to hers and she said she didn't like her bed and begged to sleep in mine, I said okay. I slept facing the opposite way and we didn't do anything. It wasn't until a year later, I realized what she wanted to do and I slapped myself.

 

[Desdinova]

Two more AFCs come join us at our table and use me for an indirect opener. I greet them warmly and steer the conversation towards relationships.

THIS is one of the best things I've ever seen written in a FR. What you're essentially doing is making the AFCs disqualify themselves by getting them to expose their unattractive qualities. They whine about their exs, they describe how they supplicate, etc. It's fvcking brilliant, and I wish I would have thought about doing this

1. AFCs are a$$holes because they know they can't match me

AFCs get jealous when someone among them is successful, especially when it comes to attracting women. I met my gf through her ex. He complained about me being 'too social'. My soon-to-be gf (as with any woman) saw it as an attractive quality. You cannot please both the men and the women. The men want you to be one of them, the women want you to stand out.

and HBs are b!tches because they know they can't manipulate me.

It's difficult to lump the bytchy attitudes into one pile. They could just be doing what they're used to; brushing the AFCs off, or they could be frustrated because you aren't giving into their whims - but this is only a temporary frustration. Re-visit them a while later and see if they're suddently more receptive. From what I've seen, they usually are.

I'm an a$$hole because I couldn't give two sh*ts about anything that any AFC or HB does. I should at least let the AFCs and HBs THINK they have a chance and keep on gaming.

Not giving a 5hit can both be to your advantage, and your disadvantage. You have to get the "I don't give a 5hit about the outcome, but I'm gonna flirt with you anyway" attitude down pat. This is the sweet spot that you need to reach, or you're just going to come off as a frustrated, arrogant a55hole. You want to become the sexual and slightly arrogant a55hole.

You're on the right track. You just need to fine-tune some aspects of your game and you'll find yourself in a rainstorm of women.

 

[adam225]

The title to this thread kills me every time I see it...lol. ...

 

[Turuwal]

THIS is one of the best things I've ever seen written in a FR.

Thanks mate, glad I could give something back!

Not giving a 5hit can both be to your advantage, and your disadvantage. You have to get the "I don't give a 5hit about the outcome, but I'm gonna flirt with you anyway" attitude down pat. This is the sweet spot that you need to reach, or you're just going to come off as a frustrated, arrogant a55hole. You want to become the sexual and slightly arrogant a55hole.

YES! Agree totally. THIS is the reason that, even with all the tactics and strategies in the world in your head, you need to be constantly in the field. It helps you calibrate so that you can find the sweet spot.

Repped.

 

[Turuwal]

That first story was hilarious. Ah, the oblivious teenage years. I was 16 and we were at camp. This girl sneaked into my bed at night. I told her to go back to hers and she said she didn't like her bed and begged to sleep in mine, I said okay. I slept facing the opposite way and we didn't do anything. It wasn't until a year later, I realized what she wanted to do and I slapped myself.

I think it's because we got so close during our teenage years that we are driven to game and the never ending quest for self improvement. If I had been one of those cool kids I would probably be married with kids in some boring job by now.

:crackup:

 

[Turuwal]

The tribe must be as one

I believe I've figured it out. The solution relies on one critical piece of the puzzle from a few months ago.

All women have sex with multiple men. All men know this at a subconscious or genetic level. The only thing worse than their girlfriends having sex with another guy is their girlfriends leaving them for another guy.

Therefore men would rather their girlfriends have sex with a friendly non-threatening guy than with an a$$hole.

Into the field again.


Day 1 - the failure

I am at a new hostel and it's business as usual, except that this time I am faced with a true alpha male. He is a guy who is confident with women, but more importantly has a team of four of his bros backing him up. This means that I cannot use social dynamics from within his group to neutralise his douchbaggery.

His group has already captured the two hottest HBs but they recognise me as potential competition to him and invite me in. I run my game as normal but this time it's not having the desired effect. The HBs slowly move away from me and into his orbit. I recognise that the odds are impossible and go to bed.


Day 2 - the mitigation

The next day I start by shoring up my support with a guy I had made friends with in my dorm room and his girlfriend. Then when people start hitting the rooftop bar I look for people who appear to be travelling alone or as couples and make friends with them and connect them to any groups I already know.

I wash, rinse and repeat for a few hours.

By the end of the night, the party is split into two groups of uneven size. On one side of the bar is mister alpha male and his four bros. On the other side of the bar is everyone else.

On reflection, I may have spent way too long playing politics as I barely even gamed a single HB, but I think I've figured out the answer to my problem with douchebags. I'll work on my calibration in the field. As a previous poster has said, there will be a fine balance between making the AFCs comfortable and making the HBs wet.



Lessons learned:

• All must be as one
• There must be balance between politics and game.
• When faced with impossible odds, use politics to shore up your support.
• Once you have your base established, the game can begin.