AFC women

[Wyldfire]

Anyone who thinks I am a feminist needs to go read this thread:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19193&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

 

[rgeere]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
lol...I love it when guys assume that I'm a feminist or have "bought into feminism". I'm actually an anti-feminist. Apparently you missed that tip of Pooks where he quoted all my rants on feminism that he collected.

I just told you that I'm NOT "submissive" and you are arguing with me that I am. I have to say that I am most likely a better judge of my personality traits than someone who doesn't even know me...but I digress.

Being submissive in a sexual sense has nothing to do with being a slave or become a shadow of someone else, that is feminist BS philosophy that women have been brainwashed into believing through subtle societal programming. The only way for a woman to not be submissive in a sexual sense is to just not ever have sex at all and die a virgin.

However, when a woman trust a man and respects him, she will submit to him [sex] as a direct result. It is the way nature works.

And by you saying that you arn't 'submissive' you are probably saying you are assertive. That still means you can be submissive at times. Otherwise, I'm not buying this 'I'm not submissive' feminazi BS.

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
No, there isn't anything "passive" or "submissive" about me. Nor am I "butch" or "manly". I'm very feminine yet very strong with a somewhat dominant personality. In a relationship I still have the same dominant personality, but not in an overbearing or bad way. It's very difficult to explain. The best way I can think of describing it is to say that I have the mind and thought processes of a man while still being very feminine. I don't think there are very many women like me, and I've personally never met one. Aside from my marriage to a man who was mentally ill...all of my relationships have been very good. Every man has told me that I treat them well and am very easy to get along with, and they have a hard time keeping up with me sexually. I have been told that I am feminine in an "exotic" kind of way, am a "handful" and that I am really intimidating and difficult to read. And strangely enough...every guy I've had a relationship with has either asked me to marry them or brought up the idea of getting married. So, even though I'm definitely NOT "submissive" in any way, shape or form...the way I am works quite well.

If a man asked you to do something for him or follow his lead would you do it because you belived in him or do it only because you thought it was a good idea?

I like women who belive and trust in their man. A woman who has faith in her man doesn't need a reason to follow him.

In my mind, these are the women who should be prized. If i say to her, we are moving tomorrow. She will follow and trust me because she knows that I would never do something that would harm her. She would also trust that I always want the best for her. A good woman lets her man be the provider.

In other words, a woman should follow a man when it is a matter related to providing. when it is a matter of nurturing it is the woman who takes the lead.


For a woman, a relationship isn't about being submissive it is about having faith in her man. If a woman can't have that level of faith in her man she should never get married to him.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by rgeere
Being submissive in a sexual sense has nothing to do with being a slave or become a shadow of someone else, that is feminist BS philosophy that women have been brainwashed into believing through subtle societal programming. The only way for a woman to not be submissive in a sexual sense is to just not ever have sex at all and die a virgin.

However, when a woman trust a man and respects him, she will submit to him [sex] as a direct result. It is the way nature works.

And by you saying that you arn't 'submissive' you are probably saying you are assertive. That still means you can be submissive at times. Otherwise, I'm not buying this 'I'm not submissive' feminazi BS.

Erm...I sure as f*ck am NOT sexually "submissive" either...not by a long shot. If you said that crap to any guy who has ever been with me he'd laugh in your face. You have NO idea what you're talking about. You don't know me or what I'm like. You have no idea how hard I'm laughing at how WRONG you are about me. Gawd I'm going to pi$$ myself over here! hahahahahahahaha

 

[rgeere]

Wyldfire, it does not matter whether you feel you are anti-femininist or not. Trying to equate submission in a relationship or sexual sense with something demeaning like slavery has everything to do with the feminist movement and the comback against the old double-standard.

A woman should submit to a man because she trust him; it should have nothing to do with control or concerning which sex is better at what or which one is better in general. If a relationship is not win/win, it'll only go up in smoke ...

I like what 00kevin said, he sort of clarified my own thought.

 

[rgeere]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Erm...I sure as f*ck am NOT sexually "submissive" either...not by a long shot. If you said that crap to any guy who has ever been with me he'd laugh in your face. You have NO idea what you're talking about. You don't know me or what I'm like. You have no idea how hard I'm laughing at how WRONG you are about me. Gawd I'm going to pi$$ myself over here! hahahahahahahaha

Over-reaction and personalization are passive traits ...

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
If a man asked you to do something for him or follow his lead would you do it because you belived in him or do it only because you thought it was a good idea?

I like women who belive and trust in their man. A woman who has faith in her man doesn't need a reason to follow him.

In my mind, these are the women who should be prized. If i say to her, we are moving tomorrow. She will follow and trust me because she knows that I would never do something that would harm her. She would also trust that I always want the best for her. A good woman lets her man be the provider.

In other words, a woman should follow a man when it is a matter related to providing. when it is a matter of nurturing it is the woman who takes the lead.


For a woman, a relationship isn't about being submissive it is about having faith in her man. If a woman can't have that level of faith in her man she should never get married to him.

Although I am very supportive of any man I'm with and I do believe in him...I am also a very rational and logical thinker. I don't just follow blindly. No, I would not just up and move without first having a thorough discussion about the reasons, looking at the pros and cons of such a move together, considering how it would affect any children and each family member and if I felt that a move was the best option, then I would agree to it. If I didn't think it was the right choice I wouldn't move. He could move if he felt compelled to do so...but I would not go with him if I felt it was a bad idea. Major decisions that affect everyone in the family should NEVER be made by one person, be it the male or the female. But then I would not be married to someone who wouldn't agree with me that decisions like that are made as a couple anyway...so it wouldn't be an issue. Hell, I most likely wouldn't even be married in the first place....I'm a commitment phobe.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by rgeere
Over-reaction and personalization are passive traits ...

Making assumptions about people you don't know is the trait of an idiot...

Young guys in their early twenties only have experience with girls and young women who have not matured and who are generally totally clueless about who they are and what they want. It's okay, though...in another 5 or 10 years you'll figure it out. Gawd this is hilarious...really it is.

 

[rgeere]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Erm...I sure as f*ck am NOT sexually "submissive" either...not by a long shot. If you said that crap to any guy who has ever been with me he'd laugh in your face.

It does not matter if you have the drive to chase after a man you want or not, if you screw him it is an act of submission on your part. The fact that you will not admit this shows a total lack of comformity even to your own physical and biological make-up.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by rgeere
Wyldfire, it does not matter whether you feel you are anti-femininist or not. Trying to equate submission in a relationship or sexual sense with something demeaning like slavery has everything to do with the feminist movement and the comback against the old double-standard.

A woman should submit to a man because she trust him; it should have nothing to do with control or concerning which sex is better at what or which one is better in general. If a relationship is not win/win, it'll only go up in smoke ...

I like what 00kevin said, he sort of clarified my own thought.

You really don't pay any attention to what anyone else says. I know what "submissive" means...it means to ignore your own will in favor of someone else's...and that is something that I flat out won't do and never have done. Even after I have said that over and over again you are still hell bent on telling me that I am submissive. How the f*ck would you know whether I am or not? And furthermore...if I really were "submissive" as you insist that I am then I would have agreed with you a dozen or so posts ago instead of continuing to inform you that regarding your assumptions about me...you are full of sh*t up to your eyebrows.

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Although I am very supportive of any man I'm with and I do believe in him...I am also a very rational and logical thinker. I don't just follow blindly. No, I would not just up and move without first having a thorough discussion about the reasons, looking at the pros and cons of such a move together, considering how it would affect any children and each family member and if I felt that a move was the best option, then I would agree to it. If I didn't think it was the right choice I wouldn't move. He could move if he felt compelled to do so...but I would not go with him if I felt it was a bad idea. Major decisions that affect everyone in the family should NEVER be made by one person, be it the male or the female. But then I would not be married to someone who wouldn't agree with me that decisions like that are made as a couple anyway...so it wouldn't be an issue. Hell, I most likely wouldn't even be married in the first place....I'm a commitment phobe.

Well it seems that you don't know what it means to have faith in your man.

Let me put a question to you.

If God himself told you to move would you do it? I'll bet you would and you wouldnt even question him.

Why would you not question him? well for one you know that he loves you and that he would never tell you to do something that is wrong for you. You would blindly follow him and have faith in him. You would also never consider yourself a slave to him. Even if things seemed to work out for the worse you would still blindly trust him and belive that what he telling you to do is for the best.

Sorry to break this to you but if you can't trust a man in the same way with such maters then you don't totaly belive in him and you don't have much faith in him. If you can't trust your man to make major decisions then why are you with him?
What kind of man are you wasting your time with? You should of looked harder for a real man that you could have faith in.

This is the major flaw with women today. They just don't understand the dynamics of men and women. They don't know what questions to ask themselves and what too look for in a man.

Men are not asking women to be submissive. The guys who say this are wrong. We are asking for something much more significant. No man wants a slave and no REAL man would ever treat a woman like a slave. REAL men prize women who show faith in us. Who belive in our choices and alow us to fully provide for our women . If we make a mistake then the woman is there to nurture and provide her support. A good woman will in fact continue to blindly follow her man mistake after mistake. Each mistake that he makes is chance for her to be a nurturer.

No offence but I would never put a ring on a girls finger who fails to have faith in me as a provider. I would also never want a woman who I can't have faith in. If I can't have faith in a womans ability to be a nurturer then I won't start anything serious with her.

 

[rgeere]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
You really don't pay any attention to what anyone else says. I know what "submissive" means...it means to ignore your own will in favor of someone else's...and that is something that I flat out won't do and never have done. Even after I have said that over and over again you are still hell bent on telling me that I am submissive. How the f*ck would you know whether I am or not? And furthermore...if I really were "submissive" as you insist that I am then I would have agreed with you a dozen or so posts ago instead of continuing to inform you that regarding your assumptions about me...you are full of sh*t up to your eyebrows.

I know exactly where I stand on the issue, and I am not going to back down meerly out of the fact that there is a degree of unneeded personalization and misunderstanding. I have my knowledge and experiences + training to feel confident in what I am saying, therefore I have no reason resort to insults or flamming.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by rgeere
It does not matter if you have the drive to chase after a man you want or not, if you screw him it is an act of submission on your part. The fact that you will not admit this shows a total lack of comformity even to your own physical and biological make-up.

Someone please tell me why I am wasting my time arguing with a f*cking idiot who named himself after an unattractive late middle aged man best known for sticking a hamster up his arse?

And if you honestly think the mere act of having sex makes a woman "submissive" then obviously you've only been with women who just lay there and sweat and don't actually like it. I have to say that with your personality...I can see why.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
Well it seems that you don't know what it means to have faith in your man.

Let me put a question to you.

If God himself told you to move would you do it? I'll bet you would and you wouldnt even question him.

Why would you not question him? well for one you know that he loves you and that he would never tell you to do something that is wrong for you. You would blindly follow him and have faith in him. You would also never consider yourself a slave to him. Even if things seemed to work out for the worse you would still blindly trust him and belive that what he telling you to do is for the best.

Sorry to break this to you but if you can't trust a man in the same way with such maters then you don't totaly belive in him and you don't have much faith in him. If you can't trust your man to make major decisions then why are you with him?
What kind of man are you wasting your time with? You should of looked harder for a real man that you could have faith in.

This is the major flaw with women today. They just don't understand the dynamics of men and women. They don't know what questions to ask themselves and what too look for in a man.

Men are not asking women to be submissive. The guys who say this are wrong. We are asking for something much more significant. No man wants a slave and no REAL man would ever treat a woman like a slave. REAL men prize women who show faith in us. Who belive in our choices and alow us to fully provide for our women . If we make a mistake then the woman is there to nurture and provide her support. A good woman will in fact continue to blindly follow her man mistake after mistake. Each mistake that he makes is chance for her to be a nurturer.

No offence but I would never put a ring on a girls finger who fails to have faith in me as a provider. I would also never want a woman who I can't have faith in. If I can't have faith in a womans ability to be a nurturer then I won't start anything serious with her.

I'm not religious, so you're really wasting your breath. In fact, I think organized religion is evil. When Priests stop molesting children and ministers stop preaching hatred of people who are gay and inter-racial couples and the like, I might reconsider my position.

As I said before...for the last 11 years every relationship I have had has been very healthy, has worked well, and both myself and the men were very content with how things were. If it isn't broke...don't try to fix it...that's my motto. And yes, you can fully trust and believe in someone and still disagree with something they want to do. Because people are human and make mistakes, that is all the more reason for two people to make big decisions together because two heads are always better than one.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by rgeere
I know exactly where I stand on the issue, and I am not going to back down meerly out of the fact that there is a degree of unneeded personalization and misunderstanding. I have my knowledge and experiences + training to feel confident in what I am saying, therefore I have no reason resort to insults or flamming.

YOU are the one who made it personal when you started insisting that I am something that I know full well I'm not.

Your "knowledge and training"? Oh please...every statement you make about what you supposedly "know" about me is total nonsense. You should seriously consider getting a refund for that half-a$$ed training.

 

[MetalFortress]

No, there isn't anything "passive" or "submissive" about me. Nor am I "butch" or "manly". I'm very feminine yet very strong with a somewhat dominant personality. In a relationship I still have the same dominant personality, but not in an overbearing or bad way. It's very difficult to explain. The best way I can think of describing it is to say that I have the mind and thought processes of a man while still being very feminine. I don't think there are very many women like me, and I've personally never met one. Aside from my marriage to a man who was mentally ill...all of my relationships have been very good. Every man has told me that I treat them well and am very easy to get along with, and they have a hard time keeping up with me sexually. I have been told that I am feminine in an "exotic" kind of way, am a "handful" and that I am really intimidating and difficult to read. And strangely enough...every guy I've had a relationship with has either asked me to marry them or brought up the idea of getting married. So, even though I'm definitely NOT "submissive" in any way, shape or form...the way I am works quite well.

Sorry to break it to ya, but the traits you describe in yourself are masculine, whether you admit it or not.

When Priests stop molesting children and ministers stop preaching hatred of people who are gay and inter-racial couples and the like

Someone please tell me why I am wasting my time arguing with a f*cking idiot who named himself after an unattractive late middle aged man best known for sticking a hamster up his arse?

For your age, you are very immature, you know? If you really are as masculine as you describe yourself, yet are anti feminist, you are one big walking contradiction.

Oh, and stop using your age and experience as your only defense against everything. It's beginning to become stale.

 

[Marcus]

AFC????????????

 

[Double]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I highly doubt that anyone on this forum who is actually familiar with me would call me "submissive". I'm not...not by any stretch of the imagination. In a relationship I do tend to be very much in control...but the guy never realizes it and finds me to come across as very feminine and rather traditional. I make the CHOICE to act in a way that gets the reaction I want. The person in a relationship that does that tends to have all the power, but doesn't abuse it. They use certain relationship tools they have learned to have a successful and fulfilling relationship. It is to the benefit of both people, not just the person in control.

Now, at the ripe old age of 21 I can assure you that you haven't been around the block enough times to understand what I am talking about. However, kids your age are convinced they know it all. You have much to learn about life, women and relationship dynamics. Go out and live a bit and come back and discuss this with me again when you've got a little more hair on your chest...

LoL, yeah i can't know who you are, but you know who i am?a great example of double standards.

so you are the one in power, as long as you give the man in a relationship the power, because your just playing it. but are you really the one in power? no, you are just playing around with words. because if you don't give him the power and don't let him be in control, if you stop playing submissive, what will be then? a DJ would leave you. you only use a different definition for the EXACT SAME thing. probably when we both would get rid of our ego we would agree.

Oh, and i for sure have to learn more about life, you can never learn enough. But i disagree about women&relationships, either the time i spent with my girl is valuable and adds something to my life or not. and that is the only thing i look for, because what happens happens anyway and i don'T have the time to spent my life worrying about if the IL is high and stuff. And i don't want to.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Sorry to break it to ya, but the traits you describe in yourself are masculine, whether you admit it or not.



For your age, you are very immature, you know? If you really are as masculine as you describe yourself, yet are anti feminist, you are one big walking contradiction.

Oh, and stop using your age and experience as your only defense against everything. It's beginning to become stale.

As I said before...I think like a man in a lot of ways. At the same time, I AM feminine as well. I know that this kind of make up is almost essentially unheard of, but that is exactly how I am. And I AM a walking contradiction. That's the whole point of what I was trying to get across. One person who attempted to describe me referred to me as "A Study of Contrasts", which couldn't be more true.

Age and experience is relevent when it comes to understanding relationships. As people get older and have more experiences they learn more and become wiser. On top of that, both men and women change substantially as they get older. I admittedly throw that argument out there a lot, perhaps more than I should...but I do that because when a kid barely older than my own children implies that they know more about me than I do they clearly lack a certain level of wisdom.

To me...being called "submissive" or a "feminist" is worse than a guy on here being called an AFC...it is downright insulting to me. To me, being submissive means to give up who I am as a person to please someone else...which for someone with such a strong will as I have is basically the same as death of the soul and yes, slavery. Does that mean I always must have my way...no. I'm actually very giving and generous. It simply means that I must ALWAYS feel free and unrestrained...like "Wyldfire"...hence my screen name.

And yes, sometimes I am immature...that is true of any human being at any age. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[rgeere]

Agressive women are not attractive;when it comes to relationships I avoid them like the plague.