AFC Knocks out 2 smaller men

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I think I'm most impressed with the video quality of this lol


I call him an AFC because you can hear his dialogue in the beginning telling the smaller dude to apologize to some girl. I don't even think it was his girlfriend because the girl ends up walking away.. maybe just some girl he met there or something..

As far as the fighting.. I think the lesson here is always have your hands up right?
 

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Drunk, untrained idiots who don't know how to fight. Look at the form on the punch the guy throws at about 1:07. He swings like a girl.

These confrontations stay in the jawing phase way too long. Either fight or talk; make up your mind. People are starting to call the cops while the yelling is going on. After the yelling starts, you had better finish things quickly, so you can evacuate before the cops arrive.

Finally, the bigger guy makes another mistake by running away when he sees the cops. That's instant guilt, and can often be charged as a crime by itself. The smarter move would have been to act grateful to see them, wave at them (with both hands OPEN, showing you have no weapon) and then point at the guy you want to sick them on.
 

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Outside the western world the white knights average life expectancy is much lower than the one of the average man, maybe thats the reason why there are not so many.
 

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I thought the tall guy who threw the punch was acting like a d*ck tbh. Not only white knighting but just generally being a douche. Obviously saw this smaller man and thought he could impress the chick by hitting him, didn't really care much about being right or wrong.

In reality he's an idiot himself, because you can see that first guy he drops lands in a position where the back of his head could easily have cracked the ground (and probably did). Go in white knighting and being a douche, sucker punch some poor guy without any skill and end up with a murder/manslaughter charge. 20 years in the big house, GG WP.

Also I love how these guys always start a fight by getting right up in someone's face. You do that and I think you're going to kick off, and I'm just going to grab your balls and crush them until you're completely incapacitated, or if you're wearing jeans you're going to get a headbutt or knee in the groin. You've got so close to me you can't react to me doing it. Morons.
 

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A taller man pushing into you is the perfect set-up for a Judo throw., and the shorter man has the advantage, due to his lower center of gravity. Like a sweep, you have to time it perfectly against your opponent's momentum. There is about a second or two where big dude could have been sent flying, or down to the concrete as harshly or gently as you like, ending up with his arm locked out and your shin on his stomach if you like. Knee-on-belly is the one position from jiu-jitsu that you can maintain on concrete without taking damage yourself; guy on bottom loses a lot of skin if he starts flopping around. The instructor who taught me that move happens to also be a cop.
 

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Also I love how these guys always start a fight by getting right up in someone's face. You do that and I think you're going to kick off, and I'm just going to grab your balls and crush them until you're completely incapacitated, or if you're wearing jeans you're going to get a headbutt or knee in the groin. You've got so close to me you can't react to me doing it. Morons.
I think keeping your hands up is important. I've attended some self defense classes and this seems to be central to a lot. You don't hold them up in an aggressive boxing stance or anything, more of straight out with your palms facing the person. You are supposed to verbalize that you don't want to fight while you do this... In the event that this gesture of non violence doesn't stop the other person from attacking, at least you have a chance to block or deflect..

A taller man pushing into you is the perfect set-up for a Judo throw., and the shorter man has the advantage, due to his lower center of gravity. Like a sweep, you have to time it perfectly against your opponent's momentum. There is about a second or two where big dude could have been sent flying, or down to the concrete as harshly or gently as you like, ending up with his arm locked out and your shin on his stomach if you like. Knee-on-belly is the one position from jiu-jitsu that you can maintain on concrete without taking damage yourself; guy on bottom loses a lot of skin if he starts flopping around. The instructor who taught me that move happens to also be a cop.
How about a wrestling single or double leg take down?
 

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How about a wrestling single or double leg take down?
Wrestling moves are fine if you know how to wrestle, but you're better off avoiding any move that you haven't already trained for a long time. A D1 wrestler executing a double-leg is a beautiful thing, but an untrained person trying the same move is a very ugly thing. They tend to bend at the waist and reach out for legs, which is a good way to get kneed in the face, or have your face pushed down into the pavement. A good wrestler knows how to 'cut the corner' on the takedown and land in side control. That's the difference between a takedown and a tackle. With the latter, you end up in full guard and a guillotine choke if the other guy has any training. All the other guy has to do is hold you down, and his friends come from behind you and kick you in the head. With a perfect form double leg, you'd plop him down and be able to bounce right back to your feet, but that's a skill that takes many years to master.
 

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I think keeping your hands up is important. I've attended some self defense classes and this seems to be central to a lot. You don't hold them up in an aggressive boxing stance or anything, more of straight out with your palms facing the person. You are supposed to verbalize that you don't want to fight while you do this... In the event that this gesture of non violence doesn't stop the other person from attacking, at least you have a chance to block or deflect..
This "palms outward" reaction was the last way I actually dealt with the last tw*t I met starting on me in a club. He deliberately walked into me and spilled his pint, then walked right up and started staring me in the eyes with a dead look on his face.

Thing that made me laugh is he was scrawny asf, slightly shorter than me and looked like he weighed about 10 stone. If a huge guy does that, I can think "oh s***" and respect that he has that bulk to throw around, even if he's being an idiot. But I really don't understand these little men who try to act like they're really hard...there seem to be a lot of them.

The sort of losers that would lose a straight up fight very badly, but probably carry a weapon or sneak attack like the p*ssies they are.

Of course my primary concern was that he was holding a glass pint mug, a neat little force multiplier that could do me a lot of damage.

So anyway, I said "I don't want any trouble" and went palms out quite naturally without even thinking, but he just continued staring for at least another 10 seconds. Then he did a dumb little half-smile and walked off ****ily.

I used to do martial arts so had it started off, I probably would have managed to block the glass but got it stuck in my hand or arm as his first move. Potentially very nasty. But at the same time I would have quite easily physically overpowered him and f***ed him up badly afterwards. At the very least we're talking a broken leg/kneecap, as he was standing at an angle that would have made it very easy to land a heavy kick there.

The thing that just puzzles me is why these people even do it in the first place. Small brains + large glasses of alcohol? They have literally nothing to gain, particularly by starting something with someone bigger than them. I guess they assume the bouncers will break it up and they'll come out looking big...

EDIT - Interesting tip btw. A lot of the techniques I used to learn used an open hand rather than a fist. I was reading a book by an ex-SF guy talking about personal defence recently, and he says that actually he'd almost always suggest using an open palm when striking at the head.

Apparently it's not only much easier to land, but even a slight glancing blow to the jaw with an open palm will likely break it, because you hand wrenches your opponent to the side.
 
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Wrestling moves are fine if you know how to wrestle, but you're better off avoiding any move that you haven't already trained for a long time. A D1 wrestler executing a double-leg is a beautiful thing, but an untrained person trying the same move is a very ugly thing. They tend to bend at the waist and reach out for legs, which is a good way to get kneed in the face, or have your face pushed down into the pavement. A good wrestler knows how to 'cut the corner' on the takedown and land in side control. That's the difference between a takedown and a tackle. With the latter, you end up in full guard and a guillotine choke if the other guy has any training. All the other guy has to do is hold you down, and his friends come from behind you and kick you in the head. With a perfect form double leg, you'd plop him down and be able to bounce right back to your feet, but that's a skill that takes many years to master.
Good point. Which judo throw would have been good here?

$20,000 in lawyer fees..
1 aggravated assault charge
1 night in the local jail cell
1 life- and career-ending criminal assault conviction
1 girl walking away as you defend "her honor" and almost get yourself killed by starting a fight with random drunks you don't know..

priceless. When are men going to learn to stop being captain save-a-ho's?
Seriously.. I can't how many times I've had some beta loser call me up after I insulted some plate lol

This "palms outward" reaction was the last way I actually dealt with the last tw*t I met starting on me in a club. He deliberately walked into me and spilled his pint, then walked right up and started staring me in the eyes with a dead look on his face.

Thing that made me laugh is he was scrawny asf, slightly shorter than me and looked like he weighed about 10 stone. If a huge guy does that, I can think "oh s***" and respect that he has that bulk to throw around, even if he's being an idiot. But I really don't understand these little men who try to act like they're really hard...there seem to be a lot of them.

The sort of losers that would lose a straight up fight very badly, but probably carry a weapon or sneak attack like the p*ssies they are.

Of course my primary concern was that he was holding a glass pint mug, a neat little force multiplier that could do me a lot of damage.

So anyway, I said "I don't want any trouble" and went palms out quite naturally without even thinking, but he just continued staring for at least another 10 seconds. Then he did a dumb little half-smile and walked off ****ily.

I used to do martial arts so had it started off, I probably would have managed to block the glass but got it stuck in my hand or arm as his first move. Potentially very nasty. But at the same time I would have quite easily physically overpowered him and f***ed him up badly afterwards. At the very least we're talking a broken leg/kneecap, as he was standing at an angle that would have made it very easy to land a heavy kick there.

The thing that just puzzles me is why these people even do it in the first place. Small brains + large glasses of alcohol? They have literally nothing to gain, particularly by starting something with someone bigger than them. I guess they assume the bouncers will break it up and they'll come out looking big...

EDIT - Interesting tip btw. A lot of the techniques I used to learn used an open hand rather than a fist. I was reading a book by an ex-SF guy talking about personal defence recently, and he says that actually he'd almost always suggest using an open palm when striking at the head.

Apparently it's not only much easier to land, but even a slight glancing blow to the jaw with an open palm will likely break it, because you hand wrenches your opponent to the side.
You did the right thing.. any fight you can avoid is worth it. I feel like most of these idiots that look for fights will one day run into another idiot who accepts them and one of them is going to learn a painful lesson. I try to avoid fights if at all possible... Some loser who doesn't know me insulting or baiting me isn't going to affect me at all.

I've heard similar about the palm strikes as well, they say you lessen the chance of injuring your wrist... also easier to grab with your hands out... I think when I am fighting though I do naturally make fists and swing though.
 

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I think I'm most impressed with the video quality of this lol


I call him an AFC because you can hear his dialogue in the beginning telling the smaller dude to apologize to some girl. I don't even think it was his girlfriend because the girl ends up walking away.. maybe just some girl he met there or something..

As far as the fighting.. I think the lesson here is always have your hands up right?
First dude got hit and he hit his head like a COCONUT on the ground! It sounded nasty. Dude seem like he hurt his hand!
 

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First dude got hit and he hit his head like a COCONUT on the ground! It sounded nasty. Dude seem like he hurt his hand!
Yeah.. his buddy seemed like a good friend... he did try to go after him
 

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Yeah.. his buddy seemed like a good friend... he did try to go after him
Yeah that was a good friend. The cop who was chasing him could actually run. I guess it was a college town and he was in shape just for this sort of thing!
 

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Yeah that was a good friend. The cop who was chasing him could actually run. I guess it was a college town and he was in shape just for this sort of thing!
Looks like it was in Austin, TX same state as you :)
 

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EDIT - Interesting tip btw. A lot of the techniques I used to learn used an open hand rather than a fist. I was reading a book by an ex-SF guy talking about personal defence recently, and he says that actually he'd almost always suggest using an open palm when striking at the head.

Apparently it's not only much easier to land, but even a slight glancing blow to the jaw with an open palm will likely break it, because you hand wrenches your opponent to the side.
Many pro boxers have broken their wrists or palm bones. For amateur it is even more likely. That is why they encourage to use open hand. Also it is more natural. Reflexes are to hit with open hand.
 
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