AFC Female?

[zekko]

It's not about the lack of challenge. I prefer easy pvssy. Why work harder if you don't have to?

I completely agree with this.
If it weren't for several posts I've read from guys here saying they want a challenge, I would think that guys don't respond at all to women playing hard to get/being a challenge. Most guys tend to want nice girls who send them lots of IOIs and unconditionally support them, with no drama.

Guys don't want these girls to just lay down for any guy, though. They want them to react that way specifically to them just because they're so awesome

 

[iqqi]

I started to write out a nice response, but then decided "EH, what for". <shrug>

Trying to convince some of you that attractive women can be just as AFC as any of you would be like trying to convince AFC women that men also have it hard. Some of them are just never gonna believe it! Most people can't see the opposite sex's POV at all.

But the truth of the matter is that AFC exists in all kinds of people, including attractive women. Both men AND women have it bad... when they don't have it together within.

 

[KarmaSutra]

One thing you won't ever find, is an attractive AFC woman, if you can even catergorize them that way.

Fvcking bullsh!t.

And proof positive you've been enslaved to Roissy's fantasy world too fvcking long.

Extremely attractive women are MORE prone to rampant AFC'ist behaviour specifically because most guys are too petrified to keep them knocked off their self-righteous pedestals.

 

[Tazman]

This has nothing to do with Roissy, these are my own observations.

Women aren't stupid, they know how attractive they are, they're reminded of it everyday that they step outside.

Men pedestalizing these women only proves my point. That in itself provides influence, power.

No one pedestalizes AFC men, they're quite the opposite in that they lack power, at least when it comes to women.

I don't even see how women could be categorized as AFC, it seems most accurate in describing the condition of men.

Even if a confident guy knocks a hot chick off her pedestal, her reaction to him will be quite different than your average guy, but it doesn't change her position in the hierarchy one iota. She's still a hot chick that most men want, she's very aware of this, and she will use it to her advantage.

 

[iqqi]

She's still a hot chick that most men want, she's very aware of this, and she will use it to her advantage.

Most men = nobody she wants.

This is what i think most of you fail to realize, and thus utilize.

I can't see a natural suave man even seeing this as an advantage for a chick. It's really meaningless.

I went out tonight for a drink with some coworkers, and there were literally three different tables of men (some with women) LEERING at me. I only noticed this once or twice because a. it was so obvious, and b. because my coworkers noticed the men leering at us and pointed it out. Does this automatically mean I am exempt from afcism because I can have any of THOSE men? Does this automatically make me lucky/advantaged/in the lead?

From my viewpoint, no. Because once I noticed them, I went back to where I was before with them, which was I didn't notice them.

From a natural suave man's viewpoint, no. Because how are men that a woman is not even paying attention to, any kind of competition?

IF you empathize more with those leering men who aren't being noticed, then your view point may be different. However that is the least of your problems.

 

[zekko]

I went out tonight for a drink with some coworkers, and there were literally three different tables of men (some with women) LEERING at me.

This is an interesting example of the difference between the sexes. If a guy on this forum had three tables of women eyeing him down in public, he'd be on here bragging about it like crazy, and offering it as proof of how he had "arrived" with women, and how he carried himself like a true DJ.

The other question that comes up is how did you make the judgement call that these guys were only worth being ignored (basically they had no value in your eyes)? Was it the way they looked, or simply the fact that they were "leering"? Leering seems to be kind of open to interpretation, maybe they were just looking, or sneaking a peek? Maybe if one of the guys would have had the "balls to approach" you might have had a different reaction?

 

[omkara]

I went out tonight for a drink with some coworkers, and there were literally three different tables of men (some with women) LEERING at me.

In your mind, sure. Most women who are even halfway decent have an exaggerated opinion of how much guys are concerned with them. It's like they need it to live or something.

 

[Jitterbug]

If it's 3 different tables then probably there was something interesting behind iqqi's back that they were looking at. I've seen her photos. She's somewhat cute, but nowhere near hot enough to attract so much attention. Unless she was hanging out in some hickville where women are typically fat and scary looking, so a 6 magically becomes a 10.

I've seen girls like that when I'm out with group of friends. The delusional chicks always assume we're checking them out when we look in their general direction. We could be looking at someone hotter behind them, or a TV screen, or even at them but only because they're walking fashion disasters.

Women can attract our eyes for many reasons and it's not always because we actually find them attractive. Now if only I could broadcast this message widely enough to deflate the incredible sense of entitlement and bloated self esteem of Anglosphere women...

 

[Solomon]

If it's 3 different tables then probably there was something interesting behind iqqi's back that they were looking at. I've seen her photos. She's somewhat cute, but nowhere near hot enough to attract so much attention. Unless she was hanging out in some hickville where women are typically fat and scary looking, so a 6 magically becomes a 10.

If Iqqi is just "somewhat cute" you must be banging models....

 

[Strelok]

In your mind, sure. Most women who are even halfway decent have an exaggerated opinion of how much guys are concerned with them. It's like they need it to live or something.

They just think a look is a confirmation of attractiveness others think is a ONS,what they fail to realise is that their value is shown from the amount of men willing to go in a LTR with them and not how many wouldnt mind to empty their balls in an agreeable depot.

It would be as a guy who think he is a 10 just because many women wouldnt mind to have some of his choccolate or have a walk in his garden.

 

[iqqi]

Lots of comments based on what I said, but zekko seems to be asking what everyone else is.

The other question that comes up is how did you make the judgement call that these guys were only worth being ignored (basically they had no value in your eyes)? Was it the way they looked, or simply the fact that they were "leering"? Leering seems to be kind of open to interpretation, maybe they were just looking, or sneaking a peek? Maybe if one of the guys would have had the "balls to approach" you might have had a different reaction?

zekko, leering is when you are positioned in a way that separates you from the group you are with, and staring with a smile on your face at me. For an extended period of time, not just as an opener to see if I am interested.

If he (there were multiple he's but one in particular that was pretty creepy) would have had the balls to approach me, he would've been smacked upside the head with my "b!tch shield".

The reason for them being ignored is because for one I wasn't really interested in anything but a drink with some girls from work, and two because the way they were leering was pretty darned obvious. That's not sexy. That's creepy and weird. Also screamed "I am a tourist and I just want a quick bar lay" or "I'm too sexy for my shirt". The fact that I did nothing to encourage him is the reason I'd diss him heavily if he actually went further with it and approached me verbally. I'm not one of those girls who are nice because I care what anyone thinks of me, and I am naturally anti social. Not saying I am always a big b!tch, but don't leer at me, even after I ignore you, and definitely don't come run some creepy bar line on me without invitation.

None of the guys at this lounge (it was a fancy hotel lounge right in the ritzy part of the city) were super ugly. As a matter of fact a couple of them looked interesting enough.

I think proper demure lounge flirting and approaching should be toned down. Eye contact, met with returned eye contact and a smile, = approach.

Leering = gross.

solomon, thanks for the compliment, I think I will never get away from the bad pics I shared privately with one poster a few years ago, who then shared with my forum stalker, but that's life! I've come a long way from then anyhow.

If a woman is frustrated, it's not because she doesn't have options. It's because she doesn't have the options she wants - or that other women have.

samspade, it is also when a woman develops oneitis, which for either sex can easily scare off the beloved. And is usually misguided to begin with. It doesn't matter if you have options, everyone has options. An AFC just doesn't REALIZE these options. I mean that mostly in a verbal sense.

 

[Jitterbug]

If Iqqi is just "somewhat cute" you must be banging models....

No I'm not, but she wouldn't turn heads in my town, that's for sure. I wasn't one making the claim that 3 full tables of men were checking me out.

 

[Tazman]

Most men = nobody she wants.

This is what i think most of you fail to realize, and thus utilize.

I can't see a natural suave man even seeing this as an advantage for a chick. It's really meaningless.

I went out tonight for a drink with some coworkers, and there were literally three different tables of men (some with women) LEERING at me. I only noticed this once or twice because a. it was so obvious, and b. because my coworkers noticed the men leering at us and pointed it out. Does this automatically mean I am exempt from afcism because I can have any of THOSE men? Does this automatically make me lucky/advantaged/in the lead?

From my viewpoint, no. Because once I noticed them, I went back to where I was before with them, which was I didn't notice them.

From a natural suave man's viewpoint, no. Because how are men that a woman is not even paying attention to, any kind of competition?

IF you empathize more with those leering men who aren't being noticed, then your view point may be different. However that is the least of your problems.

My post had nothing to do with empathy of any kind, lol, and you wouldn't have found me at a table "leering" at you. Where did I post anything about my "problems"?

My simple, and I thought very obvious reply was that you cannot categorize women as AFCs in the same way that you do men.

Of course attractive women don't want most men who want them, I guess in a not so sublte way you've proclaimed yourself to be in this category, but I don't see the relevance.

Men are attracted to a woman's appearance, it is of the utmost importance, the same cannot be said of what women find attractive, atleast it isn't that simple because a good looking AFC will get kicked to the curb (sooner or later) while a hot chick remains at the top of most men's list of priorities (instinctually), even the annoying, *****y ones.

You won't ever find a clingy, desperate, attractive woman. Unless you're a guy with some serious status, wealth, and good looks, this is little more than a fantasy that gives the average guy hope.

 

[iqqi]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, lol! I don't think I was talking to anyone specific... why would you take it so personal. :crazy:

My entire post was in general.

You won't ever find a clingy, desperate, attractive woman. Unless you're a guy with some serious status, wealth, and good looks, this is little more than a fantasy that gives the average guy hope.

You don't know what you are talking about. What makes an individual clingy and desperate? It has NOTHING to do with looks or even potential.

 

[Tazman]

I guess I assumed you were directing your comments toward me because you quoted me. Explaining myself again is just too redundant. Looks have nothing to do with a woman's lot in life huh? You must be trying to create some sort of alternative reality where the laws of nature don't apply.

This is why you can't have these discussions with women, it just becomes counter productive. Not due to any disagreement but there never is a solid premise, only "no, you're wrong".

 

[zekko]

I think what Iqqi is trying to say that even if a woman is attractive, she still may have personality issues that might make her clingy or desperate. That sounds reasonable.

On the other hand, attractive women are going to have a lot of options as far as the opposite sex goes, so they are less likely to be clingy or desperate, if that makes any sense.

So it is wrong, or too generalizing, to say there could never be an attractive AFC woman, just as it is wrong to say that looks have nothing to do with it.

Of course, with most attractive women, there are a lot of guys that they could have - but these guys are invisible to her. They are beneath her supposed value level, so she won't even consider them. Witness the tablefuls of guys checking iqqi out, and her attitude toward them.

I wasn't one making the claim that 3 full tables of men were checking me out.

You have to remember this was a bar or some other establishment where alcohol was served. Under those circumstances, I wouldn't find it hard to believe that a bunch of guys would be eyeing her down, especially if there were few other women in the bar or whatever it was.

 

[iqqi]

Well, let's put it this way, and I know it is anecdotal, and of course everyone wants to see pictures to weigh in. However...

I have had a lot of girlfriends (as in friends) in my life. A lot. And many of them were very hot. One of my friends I wrote about here in a FR blog years ago, the "ten". As in, one of the most prettiest girls in iqqiville, a unanimous 10 among anyone I know. She recently was a complete AFC over some guy, and had to move out of her state just to get her head straightened out! I know another girl who looks a lot like Eva Longoria, but cuter. AFC. One of my childhood best friends we always called Vanity because she looks like Vanity, she was NEVER AFC. However recently, and a few other times in her life... complete shell shocked AFC. One of my hottest friends is a life long AFC, not because she can't get a man, but because she thinks they are all dogs, and only seems to attract dogs. Kind of like how some men here think all women are low quality people. Her limited mindset keeps her completely AFC!

All of them have been AFC's at one point or another in their life, for varying reasons. I have been AFC. I found this forum during an AFC phase! It almost always has to do with oneitis, or a limited mindset.

Many times, as it is so for men, women are AFC because they can't get the kind of man they want. If any AFC guy were to stoop to the lowest level they could definitely pick up a girl. She just might be a 4. Or 3.

Other times it is because of personality. If you are a really hot girl, but your personality is pathetic, you aren't going to pull a very awesome guy. That's that.

If we are arguing that a person is AFC only if they can't get anyone at all, then our definition of AFC is not the same. Besides, I think anyone can get someone. It just isn't anyone who might satisfy what they want from a partner/lover/whatever.

 

[Solomon]

No I'm not, but she wouldn't turn heads in my town, that's for sure. I wasn't one making the claim that 3 full tables of men were checking me out.

Then you must be in a town full of "10's" as i remember correctly the pics that I saw of iqqi she was pretty damn attractive, not just saying that to big her up either. Attractive women are always in demand(or getting checked out) if they weren't this forum wouldn't exist!