advice on what protein powder to get

[B9]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: advice on what protein powder to get

Originally posted by Nightwing
www.seasoned.com/issues/200006/c.hf.p1.html

doesn't thata rticle argue aginst a high protein law carb diet?

following diesel's guidelines as I am trying to requires about twice the number of carbs than proteins.

 

[Nightwing]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: advice on what protein powder to get

Originally posted by B9
doesn't thata rticle argue aginst a high protein law carb diet?

following diesel's guidelines as I am trying to requires about twice the number of carbs than proteins.

Yeah, it's talking about the cons of a high protien diet and what excessive protien does to the body.

 

[B9]

so basically the article has no relation whatsoever to my diet.

 

[Hot Ice]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: advice on what protein powder to get

Originally posted by Nightwing
Yeah, it's talking about the cons of a high protien diet and what excessive protien does to the body.

I quote the article:
Speaking of high protein diet.

This dehydrates us (that's the weight loss) and leaches minerals, especially calcium, from our bones.

The whole idea when you have a good high protein diet is that you balance it too!
You don't go and eat only proteins.

It was said there that high amount of proteins dehydrate us...
That's why with this diet, we also drink much of water and also milk that is the major source of calcium. There's 127mg of calcium (at least here) in 100g of milk. That's 16% of recommended daily amout of calcium. So if you drink a liter of milk (yoghurt etc.) daily, you'll get 160% of daily recommended amount of calcium. Plus, you'll get it from cheese and many other products you should consume daily too.

For other minerals, you should eat all the foods that contain these minerals.

My point is, that I don't see high protein diet THAT dangerous if you just keep your other nutrient intakes well balanced.

EDIT:
I haven't actually got knowledge af the Atkin's diet, but that article said it contains much saturated fat. And I do agree it's really bad.
The idea is to eat much and eat some more, but eating HEALTHY.

 

[Nightwing]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: advice on what protein powder to get

Originally posted by Hot Ice
I quote the article:
Speaking of high protein diet.


The whole idea when you have a good high protein diet is that you balance it too!
You don't go and eat only proteins.

It was said there that high amount of proteins dehydrate us...
That's why with this diet, we also drink much of water and also milk that is the major source of calcium. There's 127mg of calcium (at least here) in 100g of milk. That's 16% of recommended daily amout of calcium. So if you drink a liter of milk (yoghurt etc.) daily, you'll get 160% of daily recommended amount of calcium. Plus, you'll get it from cheese and many other products you should consume daily too.

For other minerals, you should eat all the foods that contain these minerals.

My point is, that I don't see high protein diet THAT dangerous if you just keep your other nutrient intakes well balanced.

EDIT:
I haven't actually got knowledge af the Atkin's diet, but that article said it contains much saturated fat. And I do agree it's really bad.
The idea is to eat much and eat some more, but eating HEALTHY.

Sure, proper nutrition is important, but I think a lot of people miss the whole point of what it actually takes to make your muscles to grow. Protein is really not the answer, as most of your protien can be acquired by the foods that you naturally consume throughout the run of the day. Muscle growth occurs from working the muscle really hard to the point of failure, then resting it and allowing it to recover. Recovery time is everything as far as muscle growth is concerned. Protien aids in other functions in the body, but from a physiological standpoint, muscle build by overloading it, then allowing it to recover. As I stated in a previous reply, water consumption aids in the muscle building process more than protien consumption. The whole "protien thing" is something that is pushed by bodybuilding mags to make a buck.

 

[Hot Ice]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: advice on what protein powder to get

Originally posted by Nightwing
Sure, proper nutrition is important, but I think a lot of people miss the whole point of what it actually takes to make your muscles to grow. Protein is really not the answer, as most of your protien can be acquired by the foods that you naturally consume throughout the run of the day. Muscle growth occurs from working the muscle really hard to the point of failure, then resting it and allowing it to recover. Recovery time is everything as far as muscle growth is concerned. Protien aids in other functions in the body, but from a physiological standpoint, muscle build by overloading it, then allowing it to recover. As I stated in a previous reply, water consumption aids in the muscle building process more than protien consumption. The whole "protien thing" is something that is pushed by bodybuilding mags to make a buck.

I agree with that but we shouldn't forget protein either.

For example I used to go gym year back many months in a row, but I lakced proper nutrient intake and didn't get much muscle. A couple of months ago I tried it all seriously. I took everything I eat on notebook and counted it, and I noticed better results with a month training than I had before during three months period, then I got stuck on certain weight. Now I improved really fast over it.

Yes, you are right that people think that muscles grow when you train them and all you gotta do is eat some protein and you get bigger muscles. With that you get nothing.

Just don't say that getting great amount of nutrients is not that important. Since it's important you've got ALL peices together if you want to grow.

Exercising hard with heavy weights to you till you fail + good amount of nutrients and healthy food + proper rest and careful planning what to train and when = possible muscle grow!

It's true that people thing supplements are the way to get big.
It's the biggers BULLSH!T thought there is.
Supplemets do nothing alone. You can get big just by eating clean without taking ANY supplements.
Supplements, like whey are only for getting extra amount of certain nutrient if you simply can't have time or can't eat that good foods at that time.
I say, always try to use as little supplements as you can, and only take it when you really need it.

If people would be just a little less lazy and would dig this information themselves lots of money would be saved and lot more results would be seen.

 

[B9]

well, I am going for the supplements because I am quite frankly too lazy to be cooking up enough meals a day in order to get the required proteins.

I find it a lot easier to get required number of carbs.

My weight training program is fine, 3 ndays a week no more than ocne a week on each body part. Only real deficiency is protein and perhaps water.

 

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by B9
well, I am going for the supplements because I am quite frankly too lazy to be cooking up enough meals a day in order to get the required proteins.

I'm lazy about cooking up meals too. Sometimes I settle for a myoplex, they're easier to make and all you need to do is add water.

 

[Hot Ice]

You wont be lazy if you were serious about it...

 

[B9]

what b*llocks.

Perhaps I wouldn't be lazy about it if I were uberserious and made it the main focus of my life. As with DJing, it is not and never will be. I am serious enough to do my research and get it done properly without adding unneccesary time constraints on priorities I consider higher.

I am more serious about my studies. And frankly, I'd rather sit 30 minutes mediating in my spare time than I would cooking up a meal.

 

[Island]

The main problem with the arguments for and against protein here is that what constitutes "high protein" has not been defined. What sort of figures are we talking about here?

Saying that you get all the protein you need is taking for granted that you do get enough protein. In my country most food is total sh!t. Lots of oil and carbs, very little meat and vegetables. It's the fat making diet that offic workers subject themselves to especially when they overeat.

 

[B9]

for the moment I am following Diesel's guide of

Protein: 1.3-1.5g / # of body weight
Carbs: 2-3g/ # of body weight

at 154 lb that translates to at least 200 g of protein. Following a normal three meal plan of a bowl of junket and raisin müsli at breakfast, a can of tuna in a sandwhich at lunch and say 280g of chicken or turkey filet for dinner and that's still short of some 100 g of protein.

 

[Need-2-B-Pimpin]

To answer your question, I get ON's stuff, chocolate or vanilla. Both are good with milk but I stay the **** away from strawberry!

 

[Island]

Diesel's sounds kind of high

I've heard of 1.4 to 2 g per kg, but per pound? Isn't excessive nitrogen balance just turned into sh!t?

 

[Heizen]

He means per pound of lean muscle mass, not total body weight. There is a difference.

 

[B9]

no, that per pound of body mass, not muscle mass.

I seem to recall Anthony Ellis' recommendations are even higher, but am not sure. someone?