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Hey so quick history, dated a girl long distance relationship on and off for 2 years, she cut it off last year and I went no contact with her besides the intial afc that I think everyone goes through with their first time losing something they thought might have been something more. Deleted her email, FB, MSN all that but she would call every now and again but I kept the conversations short and cordial, I figured we weren't together but no reason we couldn't be friends. Its been about a year since all that happened and then today she sends me a friend request on FB saying,

"Hey - I was just thinking how it might be nice to keep up with each other and stay in touch... but don't add me if it's going to bother you. I just thought I'd check."

It caught me really off guard so I'm looking for some advice as to what to do or say, or nothing at all? I'm thinking I won't add her but just say that our lives have gotten us to different places and there is not much to keep up with on facebook, I'm more busy in real life. If you want to keep in touch you know my number and I'll be happy to chat sometime.

does that sound alright?????
 

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Dude, what do you want from this girl?

If you think she's a 'special' person who you'd like to stay friends with, then stay friends with her. If, however, you're still hung up on this girl and it's going to fvck with you're head then cut her off and sort yourself out.

I'm still friends with a few of my ex girlfriends, and for me it's no biggie.

Do you want to get back with her? Honestly, yes or no?
 

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Read your post 2 more times and I got it, so thanks! First time I read it just didn't sink in, but when I read the first part again it makes total sense... "What do you want?" I guess I just got caught on what it might be that she wanted? Which to me I shouldn't even care about...

We're in two different cities so there is no reason I would go back to that. I'm only 24 so no rush for anything but having fun and getting my career going. I'm just trying to get some advice..... and thanks for the post as I'm writing more and more I do see that its probably the smartest thing to leave past in the past.. at least then we can just move forward and do bigger and better things.
 

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I thought that putting the you in bold would help ... but obviously not. :D

Live by your own rules. If you want to stay in touch, do so. But do it because YOU want to.

Good luck with the career and having fun. There's certainly lots of fun to be had out there!
 

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Hey thank you, the light switched on there and I appreciate you taking the time to help me out.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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And just to bring this thread to a close of what I decided to do, and like Byezbozhniy said do whatever it is you want.. In my case I told her that It doesn't bother me to stay in touch and that I do want to be friends... I'm sure people will disagree but that's fine I left last little bit of past and afc in me by just being a man about things and saying its cool to be friends...
 

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Never hurts to have a friend-maybe she can hook you up with one of her friends when you have to travel to her city on buisiness. As long as she knows it's not any kind of "relationship"
 

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"I do want to be friends..."

No I doubt that.

Most of the time when guys say this its just an AFC move at keeping the door open hoping she'll take you back eventually.

Its groveling, its crawling and ultimately its pathetic.

Man up and next the b!tch.

She already nexted you for what you wanted her for anyway which was a relationship.

Now she wants her cake and to eat it too getting all of the benefits of your time without having to give anything deep of herself that a true man really cares about namely sex and intimacy.

You're lying to yourself to engage in this farce.

Blech...this disingenuous "friends" sh!t with women makes me violently ill.

Time to break out the Rollo post for you...

Rollo Tomassi said:
She's just my friend, I'm not trying to bang her.

and

Quote:
I just hang out with them like they were guys.

,...every time man, every time.


First off lets cover the common term "hang out." This is a catch-all term many AFCs use to justify their behaviors. "Me and my girl-friends hang out together all the time, what's the big deal?" So, what exactly are you doing when you're hanging out? More talking perhaps? You see 'hanging out' is a nice general term, but you've got to be doing something, right? What is it that you do? Is there a difference in what you do with your same sex friends? You see if I tell my wife "Honey, I'm taking my friend Alice to church on Sunday morning" that's a whole lot different than me saying "Honey, I meeting up with Alice for drinks on Friday night," the difference is in what we're doing.

Of course the next thing a prepared AFC will trot out is 'common interests'. Common interest means a mutuality of interest; in other words she's into what you are and you're into what she is. Thus if you're into pro wrestling and muscle cars she must also be. If she's into painting her toenails and talking about cute boys on her bed on a Thursday night you must be also. Now that's black & white, but it comes back to what exactly it is you're doing together - as friends. You see, when two guys are into doing the same thing it's called 'common interest', but when a man and a woman enjoy the same thing it's called 'compatibility'. This of course dovetails into how men will make concessions based on sex. How many guys suddenly have an epiphany about modern art because their female 'friend' does in comparison to if their male friend asked them to go along to the museum? Once again, friendship mitigated by gender differences.

Men and women cannot be friends, but let me qualify that. They cannot be friends in the same degree that most people perceive same sex friendship to be. Now the natural resoponse to this from a well conditioned AFC is "I have lots of female friends" or "what are you trying to say, I can't have female friends, they're all enemies?" Which of course is the standard binary (black or white, all or nothing) retort, and the well trained AFC thinks anyone suggesting that men and women's relations as friends could be anything less than equitable and fulfilling is just a neanderthal chauvinist thinking thawed out from cryogenic freeze in the 1950s. But you are incorrect - not because you wouldn't want to be a woman's friend, but because she cannot be yours. There are fundamental differences in the ways men and women view friendship within their own sex and the ways this transfers to the concept of intergender friendship.

Quite simply there are limitations on the degree to which a friendship can develop between men and women. The easy illustration of this is that at some point your female "friend" will become intimately involved with another male; at which point the quality of what you perceived as a legitimate friendship will decay. It must decay for her new intimate relationship to mature. For instance, I've been married for about 13 years now; were I to entertain a deep freindship with another female (particualrly an attractive female) other than my wife, despite my most platonic intentions, my interest in this woman automatically becomes suspect of infidelity - and of course the same holds true for women with man-friends.

It's not to say that you cannot have female aquaintances, or that you must necessarily be rude or ignore all women with contempt, that is binary thinking once again, but it is to say that the degree of friendship that you can experience with women (as a man) in comparison to same sex friendships will always be limited due to sexual differences. Most men will only ever engage in friendships with women that they find attractive and/or interesting which of course is colored by their attraction to that woman. Now I'm sure you'll play the "not in my case" card and attempt to tell me how much an exception to the rule you are, to which I'll say, even if you legitimately are, it makes no difference. Because the very nature of an intergender friendship is ALWAYS going to be limited by sexual differences.

Even the best, most asexual, platonic, male-female friendships will be subject to mitigation based on sex. The easy example is that I'm sure you'd be jealous and suspect of your girlfriend were she to be spending any "quality time" with another 'male-friend'. It's simply time spent with another male who isn't you and you'll always question her desire to do so in favor of spending time with you.

So get out of your head now that there even is a so called "friend zone" with any woman. You're either intimate with her or you're not. Women have boyfriends and girlfriends, if you're not ƒucking her, you're her girlfriend, simple as that. There is no friend zone - there is only the limbo between you being fooled that a girl is actually a friend on an equitable level to your same sex friends, and you understanding that as soon as she becomes intimate with another guy your attentions will become a liability to any relationship she might want to have with the new sexual interest and she puts you off, or you do the same when you become so involved with another girl.
 

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Ah, yet another bitter man who refers to women as b1tches. Darth Nihilus obviously hates women, and has some kind of celebration every time one of them dies.

So, tell me this. I'm currently juggling between 5 girls (2 of which I haven't fvcked yet). I also like 'hanging out' with other girls (always one on one). I feel like I can learn more about women from 'hanging out' with them, and we also talk a lot about the gender difference and the game. I find women's views on this very useful, although one can never fully trust only the words of a woman.

I also have some ex girlfriends who I meet up with when I'm back in my home country, and it's platonic. (although, admittedly, both parties still want to ****, but I resist).

Am I an AFC, Darth Nihilus??

On the one hand, I like 'hanging out' with girls. But on the other hand, I have several women who have convinced themselves they are my GF, and many more who I've turned away.
 

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"Ah, yet another bitter man who refers to women as b1tches. Darth Nihilus obviously hates women, and has some kind of celebration every time one of them dies."

Ahh yet another shaming feminized mangina retard meet the wisdom of Rollo...

Rollo Tomassi said:
One of the surest indicators of an AFC mindset is the automatic presumption that anything remotely critical a man would say about women or the feminine is, by default, equated with misogyny. All a man need do is open his mouth, in the most objective way he can muster, about anything critical of the feminine and he's instantly suspect of sour grapes. He must've been burned, or is bitter and on the verge of desperation just for even a passing mention.

What an amazingly potent social convention that is - when a man will censor himself because of it on his own. The most successful social conventions are ones in which the subject willingly sublimates his own interests, discourages questioning it, and predisposes that person to encourage the convention in others. This is what you're doing here. AFCs are crabs in a barrel. As soon as one climbs up to the top to escape, 10 more clamber over him to pull him back in.
So I call women b!tches here in the digital equivalent of the boys lockerroom?

Thats what this place is for beta boy and its about time you got over it. :up:

"So, tell me this. I'm currently juggling between 5 girls (2 of which I haven't fvcked yet). I also like 'hanging out' with other girls (always one on one). I feel like I can learn more about women from 'hanging out' with them, and we also talk a lot about the gender difference and the game. I find women's views on this very useful, although one can never fully trust only the words of a woman.

I also have some ex girlfriends who I meet up with when I'm back in my home country, and it's platonic. (although, admittedly, both parties still want to ****, but I resist).

Am I an AFC, Darth Nihilus??"


I think you are an AFC if only for the fact that you place such a high value on my approval of you.

Did my post really chap your ass that badly?

Am I shaking your convictions in your beta AFC moralist/feminized viewpoints THAT much?

Get a grip homeslice.

If you like being a weak beta continue being a weak beta.

It means nothing to me.

I'm here to help guys that want to be helped.

You clearly are not one such guy and thats fine.

To answer you a bit more though I think oldschool poster Diesel does the best job summing up where I stand in viewpoint and hey you wanted to know so don't bother getting more butthurt if its not the answer you wanted to hear. :nono:

DIESEL said:
DON'T EVER TAKE ADVICE FROM WOMEN ABOUT WOMEN. THEY ARE UTTERLY CLUELESS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES ARE TOTALLY FULL OF SHYT, AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY REALLY WANT. THEY'LL ONLY TELL WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR, AND USUALLY IT HAS NO FOUNDATION IN REALITY.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME: TAKE THEIR ADVICE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. DON'T SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED.

4. THE GUYS THAT SCORE TONS OF PVSSY ARE THE ONES YOU SHOULD BE ASKING FOR ADVICE, BECAUSE THEY SECRETLY KNOW WHAT THEY (WOMEN) REALLY WANT:
"On the one hand, I like 'hanging out' with girls. But on the other hand, I have several women who have convinced themselves they are my GF, and many more who I've turned away."

If you enjoy wasting your time with harpies you are not interested in thats your business.

Borrowing from your moralist beta male mentality for a second if I were of your mentality right now I'd be criticizing you for how immoral and cruel it is that you would lead these women on and not give them a clear message of where they stand with you so they can move on with their lives.

And you call ME the woman hater?

Again you are a retard. R-E-T-A-R-D. Tard. :)

Anywho to close this up...

Basically I'm a cynic and misanthrope and you need to understand I really could give a sh!t less about what you do with your life.

Do what you like.

Lead women on from here until eternity for all I care ace. :wave:

Be the best feminist shame spouting male traitor to your gender you can be while you're at it too.

I won't lose one wink of sleep over it.
 

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If there was an equivalent female site to this, with girls calling all guys 'bastards' or 'sh1theads' (and I'm sure there are), would you not form the opinion that they were bitter hags?

I'm an active critic of feminism, and think feminism does as much to destroy women as it does to attack men.

My point is that I love women. Am I bad to them? Of course I am. I'm a player. Like most of us here, I've been stung in the past by women through my own fault, as I didn't understand women. When this happens you can go one of two ways. Either start blaming women, calling them all b!tches and making out like they're inferior ... or, sort yourself out, learn to understand women, and learn to appreciate them.

As for the Diesel quote, it was pretty much useless. I already stated that I don't trust the initial words of a woman. It's still an interesting conversation though when you can get beyond the woman's autopilot responses and actually make her think about the nature of attraction. Believe it or not, women, too, are capable of learning.

Finally, no offence intended, but it's pretty ambitious of you to think that you're 'shaking my convictions.' I always question everything I believe, but I'm really not so fragile to be shaken by your words ... even if you do think you're a Jedi. ;)
 

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"If there was an equivalent female site to this, with girls calling all guys 'bastards' or 'sh1theads' (and I'm sure there are), would you not form the opinion that they were bitter hags?"

Something you need to understand about this site is that its a discussion forum for men to talk about women.

We're not concerned with being "fair" here or "looking at both sides" we're concerned with the bottom line and what will get us laid and make us the most successful.

Your left brained dare I say..."nerd mentality" to obsess over trivial bullsh!t like this may win you wide acclaim on other forums across the internets but it will get you called a symp here and for good reason.

Symp stands for "female sympathizer" which AFC's tend to be and which leads them to never getting any play.

You SAY you have women in your life but talk is cheap on the internets.

To me the trivial sh!t that you care about, your pettiness and your shaming in this thread...at least your previous post anyway...ALL of that to me screams that you are an AFC that doesn't get any action whatsoever.

And hey I could be wrong on that but you just never know right...?

"I'm an active critic of feminism, and think feminism does as much to destroy women as it does to attack men."

If that were the case you wouldn't be using feminist shaming tactics in this topic against your fellow man. Left brained guys like you think thats the right and logical course of action to take and maybe it is but you know something?

Women don't give a fvck about all that and this little bit of advice for you isn't bitterness talking I'm explaining to you the way things are and how women work. Women operate on emotions and I seek to understand them on that level. I have come to find them to be amoral as a gender which is not to say "immoral" to avoid confusion but rather amoral which means they are outside the bounds of morality.

So you think...I know what I'll give that DarthNihilus a good talkin too bout women, I'm against feminism m'self but I think Darth's callin them b!tches is goin about things the wrong way and will hurt our cause so I'm ah gonna fight with him and attempt to correct his thinking...

Of course what you utterly fail to realize is while you're busy fighting with me your fellow man women are busy saying "you go girl" to eachother for every evil and wicked thing that they do to men from robbing him of his children to his life savings.

Women don't give a sh!t about left brained logical thinking.

They are about benefitting themselves first and foremost and are as a gender more pratical than we men in that regard naturally.

I think we can learn from women in this respect which is why I think the left brain retards of this site need to quit fighting over morals and obsessing over "logic" and "whats right" and instead focus on "what works" and in my mind what works the best is what women are already doing and that is uniting behind their "sisterhood" which means backing eachother up just for being women without needing a g0ddamned logical reason to do so.

So yeah your issue, your left brained need to argue with me is counterproductive to our battle as men in this feminized society.

We need to unite as women do instinctively.

"My point is that I love women. Am I bad to them? Of course I am. I'm a player. Like most of us here, I've been stung in the past by women through my own fault, as I didn't understand women. When this happens you can go one of two ways. Either start blaming women, calling them all b!tches and making out like they're inferior ... or, sort yourself out, learn to understand women, and learn to appreciate them."

Because of the nature of the site and the focus being on the talking being exclusively about women it can be mistaken to think certain posters "hate" only them when in reality we misanthropic posters hate all of humanity or are at least disgusted with it and untrusting of it and we make no apologies for that nor think we need to correct our thinking. Its the powerful of society that tell you to trust people so it makes it easier for them to screw you. Its the powerful of society that shame the persuit of wealth because they want it all for themselves.

What I'm getting at is many of the things you think are normal and healthy states of being are actually societal manipulations to keep you powerless but at the same time making you feel happy about that.

"As for the Diesel quote, it was pretty much useless. I already stated that I don't trust the initial words of a woman. It's still an interesting conversation though when you can get beyond the woman's autopilot responses and actually make her think about the nature of attraction. Believe it or not, women, too, are capable of learning."

Actually it wasn't useless as you wanted to know how my views differed from yours.

Well Diesel's post was your answer.

I don't keep women in my life I'm not fvcking and I certainly don't ask them for advice on relationships.

Maybe on how to bake a pie...relationships? No sir.

"Finally, no offence intended, but it's pretty ambitious of you to think that you're 'shaking my convictions.'"

Hey...you were the one that sounded all offended dude. It was an apt assumption on my part that I was shaking up your reality to the point it bred hostility on your part as a means to protect your ego investments.

"I always question everything I believe, but I'm really not so fragile to be shaken by your words ... even if you do think you're a Jedi."

Dark Lord of the Sith actually but alright.
 

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I don't think you get it. I think you've made an assumption, based on one post, that I'm a femmie sympathiser and have gone into a long tirade to debunk this. My beef with you isn't that you treat women badly, or that treating women badly is a bad thing. When you call a woman a b1tch I don't think oh that poor woman, she doesn't deserve such treatment. The impression I got, and continue to get, from your posts is that you're a negative person. You openly hate humanity, I don't. You are the feminised one here. A feminine trait is to see something and dwell on it and allow yourself to be overcome with emotion.

We're not concerned with being "fair" here or "looking at both sides" we're concerned with the bottom line and what will get us laid and make us the most successful.
Amen. Couldn't agree more. In my experience the most successful way of getting laid is to sort your own sh1t out. Once you do that, the world is your own. You decide the nature of your own reality. You decide what you want and take it. Embracing hatred is at odds with inner peace.

In the case of the original poster. I don't think he's so AFC. If he wanted to get back with her then I would tell him to buck up his ideas, get real and next her. It seems that he doesn't want to get back with her, so there's nothing to 'next.'

Am I right in thinking a Sith should embrace fear, anger and hatred?? That's not a path I would advise to people trying to get their inner game sorted.
 

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"You are the feminised one here."

Still here arguing are you?

I think just by this fact alone you disprove your own point.

"The impression I got, and continue to get, from your posts is that you're a negative person. You openly hate humanity, I don't. You are the feminised one here. A feminine trait is to see something and dwell on it and allow yourself to be overcome with emotion."

Dwelling...ME?...and yet here you are...continuing to argue...just let it go.

And...

What you don't understand about me is my hate for society is just an acknowledgement that this is how I feel.

Its not something I dwell on at all or that effects my day to day functioning.

Thats just your projecting your own personality onto mine since if you held my views thats how you'd be.

Dwelling...

"Amen. Couldn't agree more. In my experience the most successful way of getting laid is to sort your own sh1t out. Once you do that, the world is your own. You decide the nature of your own reality. You decide what you want and take it. Embracing hatred is at odds with inner peace."

Well we agree on one thing at least.

"In the case of the original poster. I don't think he's so AFC."

You don't eh?

Stick around the board a while and you'll see tons of posts just like his where a guy claims he just wants to be friends with his ex and he's perfectly fine with that but then he comes back to us 6 months later saying how it was a big mistake they got back together and she dumped him again lol.

"If he wanted to get back with her then I would tell him to buck up his ideas, get real and next her. It seems that he doesn't want to get back with her, so there's nothing to 'next.'"

Yeah but it only "seems" that way as I just got done explaining.

In just about all these cases the guy is an AFC whose pathetically clinging to the last scrap of hope he can get via friendship that his woman will one day want him as her boyfriend again if he just stays on her radar via the undesireable friendship angle.

"Am I right in thinking a Sith should embrace fear, anger and hatred?? That's not a path I would advise to people trying to get their inner game sorted."

Dude...

Its just a username for christsakes.

Again with that left brained extreme over analyzing thinking.

"Meh, you're right. Enough is enough. I have to pretend to prepare for a TV interview and then hook up with one of my imaginary girlfriends who I'm pretending to have sex with anyway."

You don't have to prove yourself to me.

When you become a real man thats comfortable with his life you'll understand that.
 

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Meh, you're right. Enough is enough. I have to pretend to prepare for a TV interview and then hook up with one of my imaginary girlfriends who I'm pretending to have sex with anyway. :)
 

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Well that s*it took off.... to tell you the truth, and not to waste more time cause honestly, (as I said in my last post to try to prevent something like this, the decision I made is the one that I'm happy with) NO, I'm not trying to strike it up or get back into a relationship with her, that’s not what this post is about.

I've handled doctors, dancers, models, older, younger, Latina, white, black, a lot of different types most hot and sure like all of us some not so hot. I then met a girl tried a relationship sure, didn't work, but I learned more about myself then I probably ever would have. Yes, I’ll admit some parts were AFC in when it all went downhill, but overall for what I've gained from going through all that was huge, and that's the truth.

DarthNihilus- your points are valid as are most peoples, but the only problem I have is that you force your views on the reader and it would suck if some little 16 years old high school kid reading this starts being a more extreme version of you. I'm not saying all women are great, far from it, but there are exceptions to every rule... do what you do.

Byezbozhniy- I agree with you, and it’s about making your own decisions. I'm not here to preach to anyone but I hope to share with other people my experiences in the most objective way, and hopefully without bias to help someone who might be in the same spot or looking for a different perspective. There are some real DJs on here who know what's up and that's why I'm a member of this site.
 

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"your points are valid as are most peoples, but the only problem I have is that you force your views on the reader and it would suck if some little 16 years old high school kid reading this starts being a more extreme version of you. I'm not saying all women are great, far from it, but there are exceptions to every rule... do what you do."

I don't force my views on anyone.

People make posts asking for input.

I give it.

Not my problem if they want to get butthurt about it and can't handle reality.

"I agree with you, and it’s about making your own decisions. I'm not here to preach to anyone but I hope to share with other people my experiences in the most objective way, and hopefully without bias to help someone who might be in the same spot or looking for a different perspective. There are some real DJs on here who know what's up and that's why I'm a member of this site."

Of course you agree with this guy.

He's telling you what you want to hear and going along with your narrative of how you are supposedly going to conduct yourself with this "friendship".

I'm sure I'll turn out to be right in the end though as I usually am and you'll be back here in 6 months telling us all how you fvcked up and how you eventually got back together with the girl and she dropped you on your ass again.

Just remember to listen to the real men of the site next time to avoid such pointless outcomes.
 
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