about to go into military

[Centaurion]

Hey!

I did a tour in the Army straight after high school. As mentioned, you will meet new people that you will bond with for life and there will be times where you will have a totally blast. But don't be fooled. The military is not a dance on roses. It will be hard, it will be painful it will suck major balls, but hopefully you'll come out as the better man.

I was going steady with a chick before I went in. Unfortunatly the whole LDR thing and her being a ****ing ho ****ed it up.

Anyways good luck, and don't expect your chick to be faithfull while you are in bootcamp hauling ass.


edit. and no way in hell would I call the Marines to be an 'elite' unit. Sure their training might be hard, but they're sure as hell not 'elite'.

just my two cents.

 

[Alpine]

Centurion,

You weren't a Tankie by any chance were you?

 

[manuva]

Of the yanks I trained with, the Delta boys were generally the toughest and most self-disciplined.

There's too many marines to make it an elite corps; if you doubt that then do some reading on Britain and Australia's Special Air Service Regiment (SAS).

I know SF (special forces) selection here in Australia is a bastard - I was a young, indestructably fit para when I went through it, and it nearly killed me.

Psychologically it'll change you. I don't know about Air Force, because its not face-to-face killing, but certainly in infantry you'll learn to 'switch on' in times of danger or violence and you'll be able to inflict grievous bodily harm on people without a second thought to the morality behind it. This is why it can be helpful to see a shrink after you leave - these skills do not mix well with civilian society.

Let the girl go. There's plenty more where that came from, and the mates you make in the army will be worth the company and support of a thousand girlfriends.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by Visceral
Joining the military in the middle of a war is a terrible idea.

But if you feel like dying for some neoconservative jerkoff's imperialist agenda, for Big Oil's plans for the Middle East, or for W's attempt to impress his father, then I can't stop you.

What leftist professor brainwashed you with this bull****?

Please educate yourself before spouting such idiocy.

Also, your ignorant comments are a slap in the face to those who are there risking their lives on a daily basis for the freedom of others.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by kyanite
I feel that some of the United States army needs some discipline, There's so much friendly fire now its bull****. However England hate being dragged into this war and I can feel he animosity towards the Americans.

Hey, to each his own..

You guys have your marines and your SEALS

We have our Royal Marines and our SAS

Actually, the number of "Friendly Fire" deaths decreases with every conflict due to better training and better intel.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by kyanite
I feel that some of the United States army needs some discipline, There's so much friendly fire now its bull****. However England hate being dragged into this war and I can feel he animosity towards the Americans.

Hey, to each his own..

You guys have your marines and your SEALS

We have our Royal Marines and our SAS

Actually, the number of "Friendly Fire" deaths decreases with every conflict due to better training and better intel.

 

[MindOverMatter]

forget all this army talk for a sec, why are you falling for a girl you haven't even dated yet. control yourself man.

if you think there is more then just friend chemistry here (i.e. she's into you and wants you), then go for it, and when the time comes for army training, break it off.

if not, don't bother. if you let yourself get caught in the friendzone, escaping it takes way too much time and energy, and you don't need to spend your remaining months as a civilian stressing over that sh!t.

good luck in the military.

 

[bullmoose]

Originally posted by manuva
Of the yanks I trained with, the Delta boys were generally the toughest and most self-disciplined.


Never met a Delta. My personal vote goes to Le Legion. Those guys are TOUGH.

There's too many marines to make it an elite corps;


It's true. But there's elite, and there's "elite." There are elite forces in the Marine Corps that are on par with any, anywhere in the world -- Scout/Sniper, Division and Force Recon, & CIT/SRI, to name a few. The new CT unit (Fleet Protection Force? I forget the new moniker) is supposed to be world-class. Marines are, man for man (& woman for woman) more thoroughly trained for combat and in better shape than any of the other U.S. services. Mandatory annual fitness and marksmanship scores, Army? No? Didn't think so. Weight / bodyfat limit, Navy? Didn't think so, either.


I know SF (special forces) selection here in Australia is a bastard - I was a young, indestructably fit para when I went through it, and it nearly killed me.


I went through a training pipeline that at more than one point made me pray for death. Like I said, there's elite and ELITE.


Psychologically it'll change you. I don't know about Air Force, because its not face-to-face killing, but certainly in infantry you'll learn to 'switch on' in times of danger or violence and you'll be able to inflict grievous bodily harm on people without a second thought to the morality behind it. This is why it can be helpful to see a shrink after you leave - these skills do not mix well with civilian society.


My glitch wasn't with that; I can turn that on or off and have never -- NEVER -- had a problem with it. My problem is/was expecting civilians to own up to their own actions. The Corps is the only place I've been where everyone takes responsibility for what they've done.

Let the girl go. There's plenty more where that came from, and the mates you make in the army will be worth the company and support of a thousand girlfriends.

Amen and Semper Fi.

~Bullmoose

 

[Centaurion]

Originally posted by Alpine
Centurion,

You weren't a Tankie by any chance were you?

lol naah mate.

:cheer:

Bullmoose, I assume you mean the French Foreign Legion, right? Those guys are totally nuts.

A girl-friends older brother had always dreamt of joining the Legion, so he started training when he was 14 and mentally prepared himself for that. The day he turned 18 he packed his bags and bought a one way ticket to France. Unfortunatly he didnt make it, but he was totally changed when he came back. I don't know what the **** they did, but he was nothing more than a shell of a man. It was depressing to watch him change from this outgoing, merry guy to be a closed off anti-social weirdo.

 

[bullmoose]

Bullmoose, I assume you mean the French Foreign Legion, right? Those guys are totally nuts.

I did mean the FFL. Yes, those guys are crazy. And tough; Jesus, they are tough. The big thing is, their DI's can hit them. No, check that. Their DI's DO hit them. They beat the living $#!+ out of their recruits. The stories I've heard from Legionnaires (and former Legionnaires) make Parris Island feel like the fvcking Teletubbies. If you collapse or quit there's not the cajoling, threats, or (toward the end of USMC Boot) encouragement that you get in the Corps; they leave you where you fell, and if you're not fallen out for Reville the next morning, you're done. My understanding is that people die fairly regularly in recruit training for the FFL. I had to take back everything I'd ever said about the French after meeting those guys. Never, ever, pi$$ one off. :nono:

 

[Centaurion]

I always thought that they had two 'divisions' - one purely volenteers, and one where they recruit hardcore mofo's from the prisons. And that it was only in the latter one that they beat the crap out of their recruits... but I could be wrong though.

I just saw a documentary about the Spetnaz Alpha group. **** man. Thats some ****ed up stuff. But I remember reading somewhere that GSG-9 was the most physical demanding SF unit in the world.

 

[bullmoose]

Originally posted by Centaurion
I remember reading somewhere that GSG-9 was the most physical demanding SF unit in the world.

It's six of one, half dozen of the other at that level. The Specwar teams are so highly specialized and compartmentalized that it's not possible to compare them fairly. And now that CIA SOG has lurched back from the grave (did I say that out loud? ) there's a whole new level of weird and ugly in the SpecWar community. The U.S. "alphabet soup" brigade has decided that undocumented paramilitary teams are haute couture.

 

[Alpine]

Yes, there are no rules, the means justify the ends brigade have a free reign, just don't get caught, straight out of the Gordon Liddy school of state protection (read his bio 'Will').

The men in black chartering Gulfstreams for 'unspecified' , but destination the Stanz or Turkey hmmmm.

And we help them by using UK airbases. And know doubt there are a few keenie meanies involved too.

I wasn't in the Legion, but I'll tell you it's better than it used to be. I had a mate who ended up in the Reps, that's their airborne lot.

He says years ago murders were common because they were a bunch of crims, he was ex Guards and he said the training was a piece of p1ss. The best way to describe it he reckons is to watch the film Papilon.

They get all the really sh1t jobs around the world and little if any glory, don't do it.

 

[Faded Image]

I'm currently in the Army here at Fort Bragg, NC right outside of Fayetteville, NC. I started seeing a girl three months prior to going to Basic Training and i must say it was bad idea. She was all i thought about and the Drill Sergeants didn't help from what they told us from their experiences. One of our Drills told us that our girls will be the same way we left them when we return home.....freshly f*ck. It took us all through an emotional rollercoaster by him saying that. We all refered to the guy with our girl back home as "Jody." If you go to basic training with this girl on your mind, it's going to make it a bitter sweet experience.
The bitter is the isolation from the real world and the tought of her being with someone else. Also the drill sergeants fvcking with you and mainly being away from family and friends including her. The sweet is the thought of seeing her which just gives you a feeling of joy and motivation to complete training. Oh by the way i was which you guys refer here to as an "AFC." In fact i was that all the way to the end of my marriage which brought me to the site in mid 2003. That's my i use my name cause the image i had then has totally faded.

On Joining:

I turned 18 in basic training and i'm about to turn 24 in two months. I think it's a good idea to get a jump start on people your age like i did, but don't make the same mistake i did (got married). You're going to meet a lot of people from all the world who's going to share stories and experiences you've never imagined was possible.

Just because you join don't necessarily means you're going to war and get killed cause that depends on what unit you're assigned to. I've been in the same unit for just under six years and I haven't had my chance to go yet (thank god).

You'll learn alot and just keep your head in the game.

"B"

 

[BlackDragon]

Im tired of all the negative remarks I get for signing up. It always about Iraq and dying. I can die this week before going to BMT. Why be afriad of death? We all going to die anyway. I know you can rise your chances of dying early, but I rather take that risk. I have alot of good reasons for joining.

 

[frivolousz21]

Also, your ignorant comments are a slap in the face to those who are there risking their lives on a daily basis for the freedom of others.

well I appreciate it!

you can take a bullet in your head for Iraq!!!!

while in 08..the "liberals" will have to find some way to make up for the 500 billion dollars lost for what again?

maybe if your lucky "W" will let you come visit his billionarrie ass on his ranch!


anyways...dont bother with her now..just go in..and dont lose your head..it took a couple of my friends a month when they got back to get back to reality.

and 1 of my friends never did..he is in the marines and a fcking loose nut now.

sad!

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
What leftist professor brainwashed you with this bull****?

Please educate yourself before spouting such idiocy..

You do the same---- Americans kids are dying for Israel's agenda and for the fascist right-wing racist warmongers!!!!

BlackDragon, do as you wish but just know why you are being trained and don't be a gun-toting fool!!

 

[frivolousz21]

once again I and PRL! agree!




and in no way am I disrepecting the soldiers.

and yes by 2006 there will either be a draft or they will have to pull out...after reading the massively dropping enlistment rates


why doesnt George sign up Laura and Barbara????


:woo:

 

[medjaun]

Originally posted by bullmoose
But even with that, there's a far better chance of being maimed, crippled, or horribly disfigured than actually dying.

For a second there I thought you said "married" instead of "maimed". Just got divorced myself so maybe thats why I saw that negative association ;-)

 

[Derek Flint]

Either of you care to make the case that this war is for Oil, Israel or any of your other outrageous claims?

Please do so via PM, and please, no sourcing left-wingnut web sites.

I want a rational debate.