About being less nice and not giving a f*ck

[SeymourCake]

I bet she licked the drink off his face later that night.

 

[3agle 3yes]

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Seriously though, you have no clue what it means to stand up for yourself around women.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being a douche, or throwing drinks in people's faces.

You need to have your "own" life, outside of the relationship. This is what females truly want.. It shows you can be happy without her in your life, and you are holding your hand out and asking her if she wants to come along for the ride. This masculine energy makes her feel feminine. Take the lead, and the female will follow.

In regards to showing her how manly you are. Have a healthy debate with her some times, don't agree on every point, and make sure you have your own personal views about things.. She will respect you for this.

A careless douche bag only gets so far. But being a masculine, alpha male with a side of douchiness will make you a king.

Why would you change career paths simply to score females? That sounds like a pretty stupid idea to me..

Overall, happiness is NOT gained by having a female in your life. Trust me, been there, done that.

Happiness comes from within yourself, and is derived from the core. It's not affected by a third party (female in your life, new job, money, etc)

Not to brag, but I've owned 6 vehicles in my life, tons of toys, had loads of money, good looks, all of that.. I thought having a nice Jaguar and a pocket full of a hundreds would turn me into some macho, alpha male. And in turn would catch me loads of pusssy.. Boy, let me tell you, that was the opposite of the truth.

At 23 years of age, all it did was make me depressed, and lonely.. and I was on the verge of suicide when I finally lost both my money and the girl I was chasing.

Believe in yourself and what you do, and the women will follow. Life is about chasing your purpose. Not about pleasing others.

Absolutely agree with all of this...this guy knows what he's talking about.

I think what you're doing in your life and who's in your social circle is much more key than your attitude. A person who's a club promoter with tons of friends will get more pvssy than the engineer who is making 200K because of his lifestyle. The engineer might be incredibly confident, but no one will bat an eye at him compared to the other guy.

No offence skinnyguy but I've read some of your posts recently and you seem clueless.

Think about this quote of yours above.

"I think what you're doing in your life and who's in your social circle is much more key than your attitude."

What you're doing in your life and your social circle is a RESULT of your attitude.

"A person who's a club promoter with tons of friends will get more pvssy than the engineer who is making 200K because of his lifestyle. The engineer might be incredibly confident, but no one will bat an eye at him compared to the other guy."

Again, completely CLUELESS.

Why is the promoter getting laid and the engineer not?

Is it because of their jobs? NO....you've already answered the question in the quote.

According to your example it's because one of them has:

"tons of friends". i.e. SOCIABLE.

While the other one isn't.

I find it interesting that you think being an engineer (a person's job) automatically makes a person anti-social.

I think you watch too much tv.

I think that the much better advice (rather than saying be "confident") would be to get a really cool job that makes you high status because then you have access to a bigger, cooler social circle.

More cluelessness. Your job will do NOTHING for you.

It's all about who YOU are.

Occasionally, the environment will change the man...but most OFTEN and most LIKELY, when the man changes FIRST, his environment follows.

Girls care MUCH more about who you are on the outside than the inside. .

...and more, you really need to think before you post.

What happens outside, happens inside FIRST.

 

[Tenacity]

6 months ago, I was on a date with an HB at a bar. This one AFC came up to her and started creepin on her, so I shoved him and threw my drink in his face. I thought this was pretty alpha, but she didn't and I never saw her again.

I don't blame her, there was no point of that. I'm under the belief that if you are dating a woman and another guy is trying to HIT on her (which if you are dating a chick a 6+ in looks this should be happening regardless) then it's up to the WOMAN to tell the guy(s) to fvck off and that she's in a relationship. What you did here is assault and battery, surprised whomever that guy was didn't press charges. You really want to spend time in jail and have a RECORD to impress some "chick" that one year from now you might not even be talking to?

I am wondering what you guys think of my theory that not being nice only works for certain guys. We have all heard of guys posting on here saying to stop treating her like a princess, stop putting her on a pedestal, etc. Which I all agree with. But them some say you need to be outright selfish and be a borderline douche. For example, not paying for anything even if you ask her on a date, if she asks you for a favor deny every time, not opening doors, negging her all the time, and saying sarcastic things to her.

It's all about balance, the FIRST thing you should do is have goals, passions and desires of your own that have absolutely NOTHING to do with a woman, getting laid, or anything of the sort. 98% of your life should have NOTHING to do with women, this gives you a strong foundation to lean on and depend on, because women GO AND COME like a revolving door (at least for me anyways).

From there, your personality should be one where you can go up to ANYBODY and have a natural flowing conversation about anything. This is having basic communication skills.

From there, when you are speaking with a woman, you can try a bunch of different approaches from just doing COLD approaches to determine which "style" works best for you. Whenever you develop a style, it should have a mixture of being an *******, being a gentlemen, having a backbone, agreeing, disagreeing, speaking out on bullshyt, keeping quiet, etc. It's hard to really tell you WHAT your personality should be, you need to develop your own personality from just SPEAKING to a BUNCH of different women all the time. It's "ok" if you get rejected on a wide scale in the beginning, you will eventually figure out what you can tweak here and there and refine your style.

Alpha says "nice azz" to a girl on Instagram: he's "hot"
Beta says "nice azz" to a girl on Instagram: he's "creepy"

You are too caught up in labels. A guy can approach 10 girls, he gets 4 numbers, of the 4 that gave you their number only 1 - 2 turned into dates/sex/hook-ups. Of the 6 girls that didn't give the guy their number, they could have ALL said he "looked creepy," and of the 4 that gave him their number they could have ALL said he looked "hot".

Really the only thing you can do is FIX your external (get your looks right, money right, car right, house/apartment right, get a better career, workout), FIX your internal (your personality, self esteem, spirituality) to try and be the MOST attractive you can be....after that it's all about just going up to women and letting it ride out with the numbers game dude.

 

[Vulpine]

From: "Jerks vs. Nice Guys" Part infinity.... (courtesy of the DJ Bible)

This discussion will forever go around in circles - the main forum is already laddened with this debate. So here something to think about.....

Have you ever stop and think to wonder why most women seem to go after all the wrong guys for all the wrongs reasons? To completely end the mystery that perhaps many of you men in the group may have been wondering about for a while, most women absolutely DO go after jerks. But to say "jerk" is not a truly accurate description of the type of men these women go after.

Women go after men who are incredibly self-confident with women? -- No, not entirely. They go after the man who is not afraid of their p@ssy? (please forgive the blunt language) -- Not really, either. Well I think the truth is this: Women, more times than not, don't even know THEMSELVES what it is they are after. Very seldom do the ever stop to sit down and think of what kind of guy they would really like to have in their life. Their idea is ambiguous at best.

So it really comes down to this. Women just plainly and purely end up going after the guy who can make them feel the best. Period. The WAYS in which they are made to feel good by the guy(s) they ultimately select are irrelevant. That's where, and why, they get into trouble. In an instant gratification society, they just go after what turns them on the most, first. This is where the so-called "nice-guy" loses out (which is not an accurate description also). The so-called nice guy is generally not a smooth-talker. He does not come-on like he has loads and loads of great feelings and highs to spare, and generally not extrememly outspoken.

From women's viewpoint, this is taken in all sorts of erroneous ways that it probably shouldn't be taken. But that's life, and the legacy of the poor "nice-guy." In passing, it should be noted for the record, that not ALL women go after the so-called "jerk" types. Do you want to know which women do? Only the women you want. So in that light, you may as well say "all" of them, right?

When women continue to jack-over the guys they really should perhaps AT LEAST consider giving more of a chance to, these guys eventually, and usually quite quickly, begin to realize what kind of men the women they would like to have are going after. The result is that one day something just snaps inside of them, and they begin to emulate and become like the "jerks" that "most" women seem to love so much. In order to become that kind of man effectively, it usually has to be taken all the way to the end, for the "jerk" mindset would not be truly established if it were not. What that amounts to is becoming the "jerk" that smooth talks women and turns them on in many ways by showing that they have loads and loads of great feelings and highs to spare all for the woman. And in the end, after they have been promptly jacked, the guy dumps them.

Why? Because that is the jerk's, and the women who go after jerks, legacy. So when women inadvertently, or purposely, create so-called "jerks" out of so-called "nice guys", they are just inadvertently f@cking over other women, their own kind.


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HA! Folks were already done with the "mental masturbation" 14 years ago.

From: The Secret of the Jerk (courtesy of the DJ Bible)

No, your eyes are not mistaken. The guy with the beautiful woman is a jerk and/or ugly guy! What is he doing with her? Can she not see? Has she not eyes?

Alas! The poor male looks around, knows not who to turn to, and eventually sums up that the universe is a cruel and mysterious personnage who deals out no answers, offers no solutions, and gives out no explanations especially for the enigma of all enigmas, the beautiful woman! Obviously, something is amiss. How do these ugly to average looking guys get such babes? How do these cruel, stupid, barbaric males get these feminine jewels? Are they following a special trick? Are they super 'confidant'? What is their secret? Or are they even aware of their secret?

From: "She thinks your an a-hole, and then BOOM!" (courtesy of the DJ Bible)

I've heard it every possible way.

Girls constantly claim they like nice guys over jerks. I'll believe that when I see it.

Lots of guys claim that girls love the jerks. I've seen that enough to know it's at least partially true, but those relationships are usually really f*cked up.

I've also heard that girls are attracted to a guy who is a jerk to everyone but her. Okay, yeah.

But here's something interesting: the girl who is attracted to a guy who is nice to everyone but her.

I try not to be an ass to anyone who doesn't deserve it, but sometimes girls think that a dry, sarcastic attitude is "being mean." Oh well, deal with it. I don't treat any girl I'm attracted to like sh*t but I often act completely aloof about them, like they don't really matter that much. Often what will happen is that right when she thinks I'm this big assh*le someone will come up to us and thank me for some nice thing I've done. This floors the girls, and I love it.

- First of all, she finds out something good about me without ME telling her.

- Second, it totally goes against what she was thinking and shows her a totally different side of me she didn't expect, making me a mystery.

- Third, it pisses her off, which is always fun. I may have read something on this site to this effect, but basically it makes her mad that you helped someone who was in a car accident and you mentor inner city kids, and yet you make fun of her, or forget her birthday or whatever.

She's like, "So you're a nice guy but you aren't nice TO ME? Why the hell not?" She starts to think you don't like her. It drives her nuts. She becomes insecure (WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE ME?) and she overcompensates by being all over you.

So here's what you do: start being nice to people. Don't let people walk on you, but go out of your way now and again to be nice to someone. Volunteer. I tutor elementary school kids and work with a family center (adoptions, family crisis, etc.). There's nothing that will get a girl's heartstrings than a little kid that you tutor coming up to you when they recognize you in public. ("That d*ck, he's so nice to that little kid but he tells me I've got guy feet.")

When you get approached by one of your fans (it'll happen eventually), play it off as though it's nothing. If she mentions it, just kind of shrug and brush it aside. Watch how Bill Murray handles this situation toward the end of Groundhog Day ("I have no idea what they're talking about, those old ladies have been hitting on me all night, etc.")

Doing the nice things for other people really will make you feel good about yourself. I know a lot of guys here aspire to be the biggest asses they can possibly be, and that's their perogative I suppose. But if you do it like it isn't a big deal, people will talk about it. And eventually, the girl you're after will hear about it.

She'll be impressed by your compassion, sensitivity, and mystery... and she'll be baffled, intrigued, and attracted by the fact that the guy she thought was a bit of a bast*rd is actually a great guy.

Ok, I've had enough of this mental masturbation.

Apparently not.
There is a whole section in the bible dedicated to "being less nice and not giving a f*ck".
Keep on Jerkin'!