A woman's point of view. Long, but are you surprised?

[Starman]

I too hate it when women sit there and think they are in the high chair..and they are the ones who select which guy she wants to be with...do you see men sitting down and making lists of their perfect girls???

Most of these girls want want want..but they dont realiz they have no to offer in return..

But I liked the post because it made me realize what a chump I used to be back in the day

 

[Slashco]

Originally posted by Starman
I too hate it when women sit there and think they are in the high chair..and they are the ones who select which guy she wants to be with...do you see men sitting down and making lists of their perfect girls???

Actually, people do that on this forum all the time

Most of these girls want want want..but they dont realiz they have no to offer in return..

It's a 50/50 situation, you're just not seeing the other 50. I have seen posts from many DJ wannabees who seem to think a woman should serve their every need while all they have to do is be their own manly selves...

But I liked the post because it made me realize what a chump I used to be back in the day

Quite.

 

[( . )( . )]

interesting post.... It seems to me women know exactly what they want in a man (as we all know anyway, and this chick above tells us)

Women want men who don't let life -- or women -- slow them down.

A leader that they can hitch a ride on, that can give them meaning and excitement on the way.
However they dont seem to have a clue what they want in themselves so i suppose it ties into each other.
On a side note this part was total bollocks, and just a women talking.

But then, when he started to unzip my jeans, he just pushed me past my comfort zone. I told him no. He didn't stop until I said in a stern voice, "no" again. Surprisingly, it wasn't an awkward moment at all. He never offered an apology, which I'm kind of glad. He pushed but then made me realize where my own limits lie

As im sure her "limits" would have been scrunched up into a ball and thrown into the bin, if a totally encapsulating man came along.

 

[FlyGuy]

Actually, it was the one-sidedness of her rant that pissed me off more than anything. Most guys let women walk all over them because they've been conditioned to think that is the right thing, and that the woman will appreciate what the man is giving up for her. Women not only despise this behavior, but they take advantage of it! Then they sit there and say "a real man doesn't let a woman walk all over him" and use this as justification for walking all over some poor sap - who is only doing what women have told him to do in the first place!

I'm not interested in turning my life into some variety show for a chick just because she doesn't know how to make her own life exciting! I WILL go out and do fun things with a girl that I would normally enjoy anyway. I WILL do something different every now and then to avoid the boredom that results from routine, and because I like to try new things. I WILL hold onto my convictions. But I don't need a woman to motivate me to do these things, I will do them because I want to.

 

[Starman]

This is a universal Axiom..women dont know what the f*uck they want...The reason men have been acting AFC is because thats what women have been asking for, for decades..

Then when men treat them the way they want..they say he is "too nice" or "too afc"

I say keep everything the same as it was since the prehistoric days and just club them over the head..and drag them by the hair to the kitchen..

 

[MarineDavelli]

FlyGuy hit the nail on the head...

There are some good things to learn from this thread. I didn't say there weren't. But there was an underlying theme throughout the whole post about how a guy should fullfill a woman's life... without regard to the opposite. For me, it just struck a nerve.

This is exactly the sentiment I got from this post. While it is true that this women knows what she's looking for, all of you who are immediately jumping up and saying "Yeah! That's the ticket! I'll please her this way instead of the AFC ways I was using!" are only kidding yourselves: You're still an AFC, you're just putting on a thin DJ veneer over it.

That is, I think, the prime contradiction that difuses throughout a lot of posts on this board. While this woman may know exactly what she wants out of a man, and I admit that's a big step for a woman, she's still writing out a list of demands that she expects to be fullfilled, and so many of you are just chomping at the bit to change your game to fit her demands. You thinking you're being all suave, but, like I said, your an AFC in DJ's clothing.

Think about it: You may be using DJ tactics, but you're employing them to meet her list of demands. That's about as AFC as you get.

And about Pook: His clear message was to become satisfied with yourself first, and only then will you attract women naturally, instead of by changing your game around to meet a list of demands.

The woman's post had the right ideas, but still the wrong motives.

Semper Fidelis,
Dave

 

[Trickster_guy_2001]

I've learned to be careful of what women say.

This sounds like it makes sense, but there are a lot of different things that enter in.

Someone could see the boy scouts as a bunch of goody goodys. But there's the learning on your own; learning how to survive, all that. It's how you choose to see things.

What you women see in 4 seconds of meeting me is usually different from who they really are. The women I've met refuse to get to know a person and then they jump to conclusions.

Say we met, had a date and we agreed on everything. You could say "Wishy washy." But we could just happen to agree on everything said on the first date.

 

[icepick]

Whoa! Relax a little bit guys!

"...little to do with actually being cordial. A few years back, the big guy at Modern Man, Denis Boyles, wrote a column about..."

First of all, I have read this article before. Unless Royal-tiger happens to know the female that placed it on the internet originally, he is a liar.

"...swift kick in the rear. A man who treats me with the delicacy of a spoiled movie star child gets exactly that -- a spoiled brat who neither...

As for the article itself, it is just some opinions written by a girl. A girl who imagined herself in the "Queens chair" while she wrote it. Since she was playing the queen, she was giving orders on how men need to act. She probably got a nice little boost by writing this article!

"...can I think about his ability to handle the rest of me? As Valerie, a 36-year-old engineer from Oregon, whom I met online, told me, "I want a man strong enough to not be intimidated by me. I have a very dominant person..."

Girls LOVE to jump up on the stand and talk about what they "really want". After all, men don't know anything about women, and they would like to "enlighten" us. rolleyes: Oh puhlease! I think we know more about women then women know about men, the reason that they think they know more then we do is because men HATE to talk/think about this kind of crap. i.e. Men don't sit and babble all day masturbating to thier "ideal women"...mostly it is just "hot" and "notabittch"!)

"...nice it has nothing to do with etiquette and respect, attributes both sexes owe each other. Instead, usually guys ..."

Don't get so bent out of shape fellas, women babble about this shiit aaaall daaaaaay loooooooong. They love to talk "I want, I need, I should have," it is the nature of woman. You don't have to get angry at them for doing that crap. The extreme of a woman going for her own life is feminism. We should make our own lives, women should make others lifes (babies.) No one part "deserves" another, it is just the way things are.

"...completely overwhelmed me by his slow (but not too much so) manner. He started to put his hands up under my sweater, and to my amazement, I wanted it, too. Pretty soon, I was topless, something I never imagined myself doing on the first date. But then, when he..."

Hey.

"...added, "I, on the other hand, hold a great job and have pretty much given up my friends to pursue a life with this girl. I pamper her and treat...

HEY! Shut up now! The post is over!

"... girl who thought she only liked vanilla ice cream. But her dominant, mysterious lover kept urging her to try new flavors. Slowly and cautiously, she's..."

Babble, babble, babble; nag, nag, nag; bittch, bittch, bittch...Fukkin' women...

 

[Royal-tiger]

icepick,

>>First of all, I have read this article before. Unless Royal-tiger happens to know the female that placed it on the internet originally, he is a liar.<<

The female's name is Jennifer M. [I had to suppress her last name for privacy reasons]. I am not aware of her publications but if you are I would like to know. Whether you have come across this stuff before or not is not relevant. What is relevant is the substance. And she offers plenty of it!

A word of caution: Don't make the mistake of rushing to judge individuals (as liars or whatever) till you have YOUR facts straight.

 

[mahon83050]

Originally posted by FlyGuy
Actually, it was the one-sidedness of her rant that pissed me off more than anything. Most guys let women walk all over them because they've been conditioned to think that is the right thing, and that the woman will appreciate what the man is giving up for her. Women not only despise this behavior, but they take advantage of it! Then they sit there and say "a real man doesn't let a woman walk all over him" and use this as justification for walking all over some poor sap - who is only doing what women have told him to do in the first place!

I'm not interested in turning my life into some variety show for a chick just because she doesn't know how to make her own life exciting! I WILL go out and do fun things with a girl that I would normally enjoy anyway. I WILL do something different every now and then to avoid the boredom that results from routine, and because I like to try new things. I WILL hold onto my convictions. But I don't need a woman to motivate me to do these things, I will do them because I want to.

Well said I agree wholeheartedly what you say, especially the part where we have been condtioned. We have been conditoned by our mothers, sisters and Hollywood movies to put women on pedestals. I can even quote my mom saying to me once, "Girls want guys who put them up on pedestals." Yea, sure mom...WHATEVER!!

I prefer my old roomates advice:

You know MAHON, if it weren't for the slit between their (women) legs, they would be worth nothing."

 

[icepick]

I have my facts straight. Chill out my brotha!

Huh, interesting articles on "modernman.com/women" if you want to read some more things from Ms. Metcalf. (Not my cup of tea, most of what she says is silly, obvious, and exaggerated.)

All you have to do to find it is search a sentence in Google. Put the quotation marks around it...

"Getting kind of fat there, aren't you, Ms. MetCOW?"

...turned up what I was looking for.

BTW, you may know this chick in real life, but I doubt that she is a "9". (If she was, we both know that her picture would be plastered across that website, and taking a quick glance through...)

 

[Royal-tiger]

>>BTW, you may know this chick in real life, but I doubt that she is a "9".<<

Aren't you AGAIN judging someone when you haven't even seen her. Get real, please!

BTW, the score of how someone looks is purely subjective. So don't judge my scale or index. You have yours and I have mine.

 

[DJ Wez]

It amazes me how passionate some of you guys get over a posting like this.

Yes, it's a woman who outlined what she "wants" in a man while many of you are saying, "Fvck her! She's demanding things from me!" But really, can you come up with a counterargument to any of the ideas she presented?

True, she may not have the "right motives." But just enjoy the information that is relevant. This whole sentiment against women is outrageous.

I do think ultimately both sexes benefit from that message. Stop getting so emotional about why she wrote what she did!

 

[Oxide]

I will say that a lot of people were being too arrogant by being too jerky (cmon ice, edge, we all know women arent angels, but they arent total *****es all the time either).
I did learn from this post too, i learned that i should always push the girl's limits, and im glad i've learned that.

 

[Full circle]

icepick is a kid and it shows

I, like many on this board, have truly benefited from the post of Royal-tiger.

The irony is immaturity of the post by icepick. It is this attitude of self-indulgence where someone thinks that he is all enlightened and does not need any new info that is non-DJ.

Instead of profiting from the resource icepick (and few others) attack the source. Who is kidding who?

Also, I personally hate judgemental people who do not know anything but do feel qualified to judge others. icepick is ridiculous at the very least. Damn, you need to hit the bible and come back in a year.

Royal-tiger, many thanks for sharing!!

 

[cestmoi]

One word: Phenomenal

All newbies should read this.

 

[icepick]

Re: icepick is a kid and it shows

Full circle

The irony is immaturity of the post by icepick. It is this attitude of self-indulgence where someone thinks that he is all enlightened and does not need any new info that is non-DJ.

Immature? Where? Self-indulgence? Ha ha! Where? Sure I called the guy out who posted it saying that it was written by a "9" friend of his, but did you see the little "stick out the tounge" thing p)? I wasn't being deadly serious, I just knew that I read it before and wanted to poke some fun. (But I forgot of the few people in the world that hate anything to do with humor, sorry Full circle! )

And about the whole "doubt she is a 9" thing, I was just cracking a little joke about the "attention wh0ring" of women. That, if she was supermodel quality, then she would make SURE that her picture was exposed.

Instead of profiting from the resource icepick (and few others) attack the source. Who is kidding who?

Huh? I don't see where I attacked the source. I was actually defending the article IMO. Some people were getting all bitter against women, but I only pointed out that they are just being who they are. It sounds all "I am the woman and I will give you orders" but in reality, she just got carried away while writing an article about what women really want. (1 of millions. )

Also, I personally hate judgemental people who do not know anything but do feel qualified to judge others. icepick is ridiculous at the very least. Damn, you need to hit the bible and come back in a year.

Guys, I was just poking some fun. Take a deep breath, and read what I wrote in context again. Pay attention to the "tone" markers...the little yellow faces.

Don't tell me that you have NEVER EVER joked to your friends about how much of a bittch your girlfriend has been! Don't tell me that you don't know how females LOVE to talk a big game and give "orders" on how an ideal man should act!

Oh, but I forget, my attitude is one of "self-indulgence". I am all "enlightened" and I don't need any info that is "non DJ". WTF is "DJ" info? I never said that the article should not have been written here. If you can point out for me what I did that is "self-indulgent" or "acting enlightened" please let me know.

Maybe you see something that I do not.

 

[Slashco]

For a board whose professed purpose is to teach dating skills, there sure seem to be a lot of macho misogynistic woman-haters here...

 

[Oxide]

it's not women hating thing, even though some people do (hah matrix, im looking at you )
What happens is when AFC comes to this board and reads up on info , he goes "Oh sh!t, i was being played all my life!" and goes really bitter toward women. The point is to look through bitterness, realize that women are no angels but humans with their own lies and tricks, go play your game on their court and win it all.

 

[booty-naughtyness-spur]

i think a lot of the guys are jumping on the defence and need to tear down this post because something struck true and/or hit a nerve. as a woman, i can honestly say that i agree with this article 100%. but i'm not placing myself on a pedestle... or even a soap box. i think that men should read this article as a means to judge how they are holding up. wondering if you're afc? read this article... if you are getting the "cold, unaffectionate, miserable" response from all your hard work, i think you have a long way to go.

this is a forum for learning. if you have nothing to gain from a particular post, then by all means- flame the hell out of it. that gets something accomplished.

but for all you men striving to be the best man that you can, this article is a great insight into women. we do want an equal. but we also want to be submissive. we can't do that unless you take charge and take that role.

i don't think she was saying she wants someone to entertain her while she sits in a sadan chair eating bonbons and being fanned by a cabana boy... if she did, she could snap her fingers and have some lil afc do that for her. she wants a man. MAN. someone who will excite her and keep her on her toes... is this not what the bible preaches?? keep a woman guessing, and she'll always come back for more?

if some of you think that women are only good for fukking, i pity you, and hope that your education here continues. there's more to women then a wet hole. anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves.