A woman's point of view. Long, but are you surprised?

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This write-up was sent to me by a HB9 who happens to be a very good friend of mine. Thought I should share the good words ... :D

Here ya go...

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Once upon a time, there was a man named Jim who confessed "I treat women too nice. Is this possible?"

It's a great question, and one we've seen many times in e-mail and on the women forum. The answer: No, Jim, but you may define "nice" differently than women do. That dreaded nice-guy syndrome has little to do with actually being cordial. A few years back, the big guy at Modern Man, Denis Boyles, wrote a column about how women view men. He demonstrated how to make a woman totally disrespect and despise you -- be passive, be ambivalent, avoid conflict, and be androgynous -- in other words, turn yourself into a nice guy."

Give me a challenge.

Think intellectualism here, not one-on-one bench presses or spitting contests, gentlemen. I have self-discipline, but I also need someone who won't accept less than my best. When I've gained a couple of pounds, the last words I want to hear are, "Getting kind of fat there, aren't you, Ms. MetCOW?" But I sometimes need a swift kick in the rear. A man who treats me with the delicacy of a spoiled movie star child gets exactly that -- a spoiled brat who neither respects nor admires him. It actually isn't "nice" to treat a woman like that.

However, sometimes we're not very nice to you, even though we kid ourselves that we're sparing your feelings. Why? Because we don't want to tell you the real reasons you don't hold our interest: Boredom, passivity, lack of confidence. Don't be afraid to disagree with me just because you want to impress me. You won't. A man who is so cautious that he starts most sentences with, "I don't want to offend you, but....." does offend me. If I want a puppet, I'll buy a piece of wood and carve him myself.

If I can intimidate a man by giving him a handful of breast, what can I think about his ability to handle the rest of me? As Valerie, a 36-year-old engineer from Oregon, whom I met online, told me, "I want a man strong enough to not be intimidated by me. I have a very dominant personality. I need a man who can overcome that." Amen, sister.

When guys are dumped because they're told they're too nice it has nothing to do with etiquette and respect, attributes both sexes owe each other. Instead, usually guys in this situation give up their own self-respect for becoming near-slaves to their objects of desire. With few exceptions, women hate this. Be a bit flexible but never give up your life for a woman. Have a focus in your life and work towards it. When you possess a take-charge attitude with your life, we know that you're not asking us to take care of you.

Challenge us by not always giving into us. When a plump pair of D-cups attached to rose-pedal soft cheeks threatens to turn you into an early life form, your challenge, dear Sir, is to be a man -- enjoy the atmosphere and scenery, but don't let it dominate your every thought. Every inch your spine reclines takes along with it a piece of our attraction for you. Pretty soon, the spine breaks, and you're left a jellyfish.

Simply put -- say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't tell us that you won't put up with a certain type of behavior and go back on your word and then whine because we're walking all over you! I have no respect for men who are so unsure of themselves that they'll lose their self-respect before they lose their girlfriend. Desperation, in a man is a highly undesirable and unattractive trait.

The man who lights my fire sparks my imagination. He doesn't sit in a Barcalounger exercising his digits with the remote control. He grabs me by the hand and together we navigate through a new maze of experiences. He wants to climb the Mt. Everest of life and expects me to be by his side. His thrust into life is as instigator and his determination and persistence feed me. I crave more. He's my Jack Dawson. I don't want a man who is waiting around to win the lottery. Women want men who don't let life -- or women -- slow them down.

A wise man appreciates that fear is an enormous aphrodisiac. Not knowing exactly what will happen next is both utterly frightening and exhilarating -- it incites passion both in soul and body. Jerks may not be gentlemen, but sometimes we take that chance to feel the "rush" instead of playing it safe and monotonous with a Bob-Newhart-kind of guy. Think of a quickie in a semi-public place. The idea of fear -- of being caught -- is what makes the heart race, not the sex itself. Illicit love is not "safe," which fuels our fear and heightens our arousal.

Part of the appeal of fear may be why some women ascribe to that forbidden fruit, submission. One man, in an ad in a **** "lifestyle" site looking for a submissive woman, wrote, "This ad is for the woman who finds abject submission ennobling, even courageous. A woman who would be proud to call herself slave to a man she knows deserves her sacrifice. For the woman who's not afraid to call her partner her equal, but understands that he has a right to train and use her as he sees fit. This ad is for the woman who believes that this mass of contradictions she calls her desire can be resolved in partnership with a special man, one who knows enough not to let her have a choice in the matter of her enslavement, but also knows a caged bird cannot fly." The writing and the phraseology may not be world-class -- um, slave? -- but the sentiment sure works. Maybe that's one reason why **** and Dominance and submission (D/s) are moving from the fringes of sexual behavior to the mainstream, and from the off-putting scene-playing "lifestyle" stuff -- with all that leather and those awful accessories -- to everyday life.

Limits.

Nice guys never question our limits, and hence we don't grow. We stagnate and we both fall down into new depths. The "nice" guy who is so completely agreeable with everything we say or do leaves it up to us to find our own limits. I don't always know what they are. Limits make me feel secure. I have freedom, but I know where the borders are. Sometimes women are interested in men who seem to know more about them than they do about themselves, simply because they make them face their fears and make them go to limits set only by their lover. I'll go into the woods if you hold my hand, dear Sir. But you need to lead.

Another online friend, Erica, a 19-year-old college student in Minnesota, told me she allows only kissing on the first date. On a recent date, however, a persistent yet not pushy gentleman challenged that limit. In her words, "All through dinner, his eyes were strong and focused on mine along with a genuine but cautious smile. He listened intently and when he spoke, I listened to his deliberate words very carefully. When we kissed good night, he completely overwhelmed me by his slow (but not too much so) manner. He started to put his hands up under my sweater, and to my amazement, I wanted it, too. Pretty soon, I was topless, something I never imagined myself doing on the first date. But then, when he started to unzip my jeans, he just pushed me past my comfort zone. I told him no. He didn't stop until I said in a stern voice, "no" again. Surprisingly, it wasn't an awkward moment at all. He never offered an apology, which I'm kind of glad. He pushed but then made me realize where my own limits lie, and for that, I am grateful."

Another man on the forum, Jerry, was about to be married to a woman he described as "cold, unaffectionate, insensitive, and miserable with me 90% of the time." He added, "I, on the other hand, hold a great job and have pretty much given up my friends to pursue a life with this girl. I pamper her and treat her like a queen with very little response." Actually, Jerry, she has given you a response. Her indifference is her way of saying she wants limits. You are her doormat and she's wiping her manure-soaked shoes all over you. You set no limits and give her no challenges.

Speaking of limits, I know of a girl who thought she only liked vanilla ice cream. But her dominant, mysterious lover kept urging her to try new flavors. Slowly and cautiously, she's licking her way up to 31 flavors....
 

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****, this is a good post, it has been said tons of times already, but it's good to read it over and over, cause I tempt to forget this sometimes :)

Excellent post
 

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Speaking of limits, I know of a girl who thought she only liked vanilla ice cream. But her dominant, mysterious lover kept urging her to try new flavors. Slowly and cautiously, she's licking her way up to 31 flavors....
I've read this line somewhere (can't remember where).

This is an excellent article and I found it incredibly enlightening. I especially like how "limits" were brought out. Mods, move this to tips!
 

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It just amazes me that these women-- who have absolutely nothing to offer us besides sexual gratification -- believe that they somehow magically deserve all these wonderful things from men. Who the hell does the author of this garbage think she is, Queen of the friggin Nile? You women have a lot of nerve. As long as you brush your hair and wear your sl*tty little outfits with your b00bs hanging out, we should travel the f*cking world for the sole purpose of injecting excitement and exhiliration into your life? Who the hell are you!?!? I, for one, will not be responsible for taking some b1tch's hand and being her personal tour guide to all that is fun and exciting (at great personal cost to ME) just to get a shot at the warm, moist hole between her legs. Guess what? It just ain't worth it. And it never f*cking will be, because there are three billion of you in this world. I think that's a fact you nearly always seem to forget. GET OVER YOURSELVES.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Now we're talking.....

Originally posted by drZaius09
GET OVER YOURSELVES.
amen. couldn't have said it better myself!!

~ male on patrol ~

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That's probably my biggest irritation about women, most of them seem to need a man to entertain them. Can't they find their own lives and then share it with us? Like someone else said already, we should be expected to scale mountains just to give her excitement? If I'm going to scale a mountain its because I want to!
 

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Women: A challenge for men (from God, if there's one)

If you apply logic to women, heck, nothing will make sense. Isn't that why we are here to "enrich" our sanity with little insanity (to pursue women)?

I have always believed that an overwhelming number of women tend to have high "pseudo" self-worth when looking at men. And AFCs have added fuel to fire
 

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Watch out Sosuave.... The men are showing up!!! No more of that Dr. Phill bullshytt...

I am fukkyn impressed.... Normally guys would kiss the azz of the poster who wrote this regurgitated bullshyytte!!!

All it is is rephrased bullshytte from the Dj bible from a female's perspective... We've heard it before, and need to move on as a community of men. The bible and its techniques will always be stale as long as we fear being men, and thinking as men, with limitless thought provoking fantasies and desires.. No fukken holds barred... The women on this site allow for this to happen, but too many a time, guys fall like fukken pussies to the first poster who claims to be a woman, and stresses she has the plan that all should follow. Its fukkyn pathetic....

What the fukk ever.....:rolleyes:

Truth be told, I thought I was the only one getting tired of chykks on this site telling us what being a DJ is all about...

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To the last 4 or so replies - I think you people entirely missed the point (and with that attitude, you'll be spending a lot of Friday nights with Mrs. Hand and her five daughters)... Sacrificing yourself to please a woman is exactly what you should NOT do, but you should be all you can be, which is what the DJ mentality teaches. Challenge her, give her something to look forward to. Don't be a doormat, but don't completely ignore her in favor of your own desires either. You keep yelling how there are 3 billion women in the world. Guess what, there are just as many men. Why should a woman wish to be with you if you have nothing to offer?
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Who the hell does the author of this garbage think she is, Queen of the friggin Nile?
For one, I can't believe how many of you didn't gain something from this. This is one of the few women out there who actually knows what she wants. Women like this aren't going to piss you off with their incredible amounts of games and 5hit tests. The points in this article make perfect sense.

As long as you brush your hair and wear your sl*tty little outfits with your b00bs hanging out, we should travel the f*cking world for the sole purpose of injecting excitement and exhiliration into your life?
I don't think that was the message she was trying to send. She's saying that "To keep me interested in you, you have to show me some fun".

Can't they find their own lives and then share it with us?
No they can't. They need a leader in their lives.
 

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I've seen this type of comment before, and I'm not sure the writer was saying she needs a man to control her. It seemed to me like she wanted an equal, someone who wouldn't let himself be walked over, but not a control freak either. Someone fun to be with, to live life together. That was my impression at least.
 

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Originally posted by Slashco
Guess what, there are just as many men. Why should a woman pick you if you have nothing to offer?
Same thing applies in the other direction.. Why the fukk should we pick a fukken chykk that has nothing to offer us??

If you read the post, her comment had to do with US making her life more fun... WTF??? Did I miss something here??? Why the hell should I make some chykks life fun??..

Get off your ass and climb your own fukkyn rocks...??

Having something to offer a chykk, doesn't mean you are there to take the boredom out of her life... Fukk No!! She should do that on her own.

The key is self fulfilment. And then if the gyrl wants, she can join you on your quest for success. Period.

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I couldn't resist but add this: If Pook had written this post, you guys would be praising him for revealing such a revelation.
 

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Originally posted by Bungo Pony
I couldn't resist but add this: If Pook had written this post, you guys would be praising him for revealing such a revelation.
What the fukk ever dude.... Pook has never done squat for me... I never met the dude, and as far as I am concerned his mini-fables and theories are story book novels for lazy-fukks who want to sit in front of their computers and praise him all day...

Not me...

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as far as I am concerned his mini-fables and theories are story book novels for lazy-fukks who want to sit in front of their computers and praise him all day...
The funny thing is I agree :D

The point I was trying to make is that if this had been written by a guy, it wouldn't have recieved this much critisizm.
 

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"He started to put his hands up under my sweater, and to my amazement, I wanted it, too. Pretty soon, I was topless, something I never imagined myself doing on the first date. But then, when he started to unzip my jeans,"


abahahah yea right..a 19 year old who has "strict laws" on kissing on the 1st date.

I did find this article useful..it gives me insight as to how women view men who are spineless

God knows how many times Ive told women "Im not gonna tolerate your bull****!"

only to have her walk all over me again..by withholding sex..

This article isnt intended for women to change you to be their puppet..its to give you insight that women dont want spineless AFC puppets..and that is why you are all here in the first place..to learn
 

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Originally posted by The Edge
Same thing applies in the other direction.. Why the fukk should we pick a fukken chykk that has nothing to offer us??

If you read the post, her comment had to do with US making her life more fun... WTF??? Did I miss something here??? Why the hell should I make some chykks life fun??..

Get off your ass and climb your own fukkyn rocks...??

Having something to offer a chykk, doesn't mean you are there to take the boredom out of her life... Fukk No!! She should do that on her own.

The key is self fulfilment. And then if the gyrl wants, she can join you on your quest for success. Period.

The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
I suppose it's in how you interpret it. I thought she meant she despised men who become willing slaves, doing anything for her to 'make her life fun'. What she wanted was an exciting, active partner to keep up with her. Of course this involves having fun together; why should she enter into a relationship where she got nothing in return? It all sounds quite fair to me, after all it's what most men want as well.
 

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There are some good things to learn from this thread. I didn't say there weren't. But there was an underlying theme throughout the whole post about how a guy should fullfill a woman's life... without regard to the opposite. For me, it just struck a nerve.

I don't care who posted it. Yes, its good to see the viewpoint of a woman - especially one who "knows what she wants". Yes, its good to see how women view AFCs, but don't we all know this already? I can't stand the prevailing attitude seemingly present in all women that you exist to give them excitement, fun, variety, blah blah blah.
 

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I agree with Bungo and others. The overall message I got from this is to never give up your convictions for a woman! I know this is easy to say when you first start dating them, but I can see how down the road many guys start to bend a little to much, including myself in the past.

I also think the part about keeping things "exciting and a little dangerous" is very good. It's very easy to fall into a trap of monotonus (sp?) dates, and predictable events. I mean we all like to be scared or surprised sometimes or we wouldn't go on roller coasters or watch horror films right?
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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