A spin on being a challenge

sux2bu

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Originally posted by laydee1
There's being a challenge and there's climbing Everest

It is USUAL for girls to want to appear as a challenge as it proves they are not a slut and wouldn't just go with anyone.

So if guys are doing it too - how is anyone ever going to get with anyone.

There is this one guy in my life right now and I know he is attracted to me and so do all my friends, but he's doing this "being a challenge" act and I'm just waiting for him to get over it. If he was a REALLY confident guy, he would just come out and say what he felt about me and then I would make sure he was adequately rewarded for his bravery ;-)

See, just because a guy isn't a challenge doesn't mean he can't also be the prize

Guys who pretend they are being a challenge are just justifying their inability to flirt with a girl - it's just an excuse for not having the confidence..

Besides, guys who pretend they are a challenge appear to girls as:-
a) unconfident
b) possibly gay
c) not very sexy - possibly just not that into physical lust to go after a woman - not so many hormones in their bodies

That's all!
First, you are wrong about your assumptions. Second, you are flustered.

This proves my point that woman want everything "given to them" without so much as a chase. We (DJ's) are just leveling the playing field and you can't deal with it.. You are probably a HUGE pain in the a$$ to deal with in real life & you are obviously used to guys "falling at your feet." My advice to you is to leave while you still have your dignity.


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laydee isn't necessarily wrong, if she's talking about a type of guy that misunderstands challenge. There are a lot of guys on this board who mistake being a challenge for passivity. They're back to playing the high school "i can't let you know I like you" games, and start working against their cause.

They end up shooting themselves in the foot because a willing girl will be waiting for them to make their move, while they're playing games to appear more important than they really are. The purpose of being a challenge is to help create attraction. If she's already strongly attracted to you, your job is halfway over, so guys need to stop playing and take what she's offering.
 

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That's all well and good, but she's making a broad generalization based on ONE experience. If she is "TOO" easy, and things turn sour, who's at fault then?
 

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Originally posted by laydee1
There's being a challenge and there's climbing Everest

It is USUAL for girls to want to appear as a challenge as it proves they are not a slut and wouldn't just go with anyone.

So if guys are doing it too - how is anyone ever going to get with anyone.

True.


There is this one guy in my life right now and I know he is attracted to me and so do all my friends, but he's doing this "being a challenge" act and I'm just waiting for him to get over it. If he was a REALLY confident guy, he would just come out and say what he felt about me and then I would make sure he was adequately rewarded for his bravery ;-)
Say? I think not. A confident man shows his confidence by example, not by words.

Funny though...this situation sounds oddly familiar to me. :eek: SCARILY familiar.


See, just because a guy isn't a challenge doesn't mean he can't also be the prize

Guys who pretend they are being a challenge are just justifying their inability to flirt with a girl - it's just an excuse for not having the confidence..

The key word here is "pretend." A true man is a natural challenge. There are all kinds of things competing for his time, women AND other things. He is a challenge not because he's playing some game, but simply because he doesn't have time to waste. It doesn't mean he shouldn't make his sexuality known...as you said, it's obvious anyway. ;)


Besides, guys who pretend they are a challenge appear to girls as:-
a) unconfident
b) possibly gay
c) not very sexy - possibly just not that into physical lust to go after a woman - not so many hormones in their bodies

That's all!
Again, "pretend" is the operative word. Guys, being scarce works if you're not in her presence, but if she's within reach of you, she can sense the difference between disinterest, genuine business, and stupid games. May as well just draw your guns and start shooting.

Originally posted by sux2bu
First, you are wrong about your assumptions. Second, you are flustered.

This proves my point that woman want everything "given to them" without so much as a chase. We (DJ's) are just leveling the playing field and you can't deal with it.. You are probably a HUGE pain in the a$$ to deal with in real life & you are obviously used to guys "falling at your feet." My advice to you is to leave while you still have your dignity.


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Bitter, aren't we? :(

You need to get your feelings under control.
 

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There's a lot of helpful advice in the DJ bible, but their are also a lot of books on the subject, many of which give conflicting advice on the most successful way to be with women.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

If you just follow the DJ bible, it starts to sound like people who disagree on religion. My religion is better than yours kind of thing.

My point is, two different philosophy's on how to attract women could both be right. It probably just depends on the individual girl as to which one will be more effective.

I don't take anyone's opinion as gospel.

Having an open mind is the best way to better yourself and to be a more successful human being
 

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sux2bu:
Firstly, on technicalities, which assumptions do you mean?
Squirrels is right - VERY bitter - I'm not your ex, your mother, or the last woman who turned you down....we're not all the same, neither are you, get over it.
Whether or not I am a hugh pain in the a$$ is something you will never find out - but if this is your usual approach to women, don't post...READ and LEARN from the experts around here!

Quick / Squirrels - ah, well posted gentlemen - obviously you understood the female language in my message and were able to translate it into "male" much more successfully. And thank you!

I agree with both of you. But the interpretation of the term "challenge" is generally a competitive one - that either the guy or the girl must be MORE of a challenge - and if a girl has a lot of interests - a lot of other things competing for her time, how does a guy create the challenge then???

I missed a few other reasons for a guy pretending to be a challenge -
d) laziness - not a great excuse but probably more likely to be e)
e) fear of rejection - a very valid reason but why should the feeble females of the world be the ones who are brave enough to make the first move when you are the ones boasting about being "big men" all the time....we're afraid of rejection too!!!
 

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The challenge you're speaking about is who has the power in the relationship. As in "the one who cares least, wins". There's no reason to think of it as a competition if you're confident with yourself. You don't have to be more of a challenge than her. You know your value and that the more a girl knows you, the more she'll be attracted to you. I'm not always available, but i'll change my schedule to see her if I like her, and I expect her to make as much effort as I do. If she doesn't, then she's gone.

My interpretation of challenge is to simply not give her anything that she hasn't earned. That includes gifts, my time, my affection, commitment, insights into who I am,even compliments. If she can't take anything for granted, even the next date, then she realizes she has to work to please me, and has to pusue me through her actions.

From my attitude, it's clear that I don't need a girl. I'll be aggressive sexually, but in a way that shows i'm not pressed for it. If she pulls back, I take it in stride, pull back, and then try again on my own timeline. I never ask a girl why she took so long to call back, or why she didn't do something she should have, because I don't really care. I simply move on with my life, and make her earn her way back into my good graces if what she did was forgivable.

This doesn't change, no matter what the girl's schedule is. Her method of being a challenge doesn't factor into my actions at all. I do the same thing, whether she's in love with me or barely interested, whether she's a "10" or a "6". Without any words, girls learn what my limits are. They don't make the same mistake more than once. The ones that can't meet my expectations get weeded out, stress-free.
 

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Originally posted by laydee1


Guys who pretend they are being a challenge are just justifying their inability to flirt with a girl - it's just an excuse for not having the confidence..

Besides, guys who pretend they are a challenge appear to girls as:-
a) unconfident
b) possibly gay
c) not very sexy - possibly just not that into physical lust to go after a woman - not so many hormones in their bodies

That's all!
are you sure your not getting "being a challenge" confused with "being a pu$$y" you see to me a b and c doesnt really have anything to do with being a challenge.
maybe theres some confusion to the meaning to the actual word itself.

if it were me, she will definately know im keen and into her, BUT heres where my "challenge" comes into play:

when she gives an inch back unlike every other guy, she knows that i can take her or leave her (i mean she truly knows this), which inturn i guess plants the seeds in her mind that i am more of a challenge to her .
the AFC would either be sh!tting bricks that she gave him attention OR smothering her.

the way i see it moderation my friends moderation, like that guy who compares it to offering a slice of cake, just enough for her to want more.
 

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Wow, talk about digging up an old post! :)

I think sometimes too much challenge is just too much. It needs to be moderate, and if you just keep pressing the challenge bit, it starts to get tiring after a while and the person being challenged will just move on.
 
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