A sobering thought about seduction, love and relationships

Jariel

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After recent experiences in my life and reacquainting myself with this forum, posts on dealing with break ups, winning back exes and so on, I came to a sad and yet enlightening realisation.

It's all based on psychology!

When it comes to seduction, it's your value in the eyes of your target that determines how successful you will be. Good looks, success, money, confidence, social proof, these all contribute to that psychological perception, while qualities such as honesty, generosity, and general good traits in a human being don't hold much value at all…and value, at its core, is merely a psychological perception.

Charisma and charm are also very powerful tools in seduction, because it's a way to make a woman feel good about being with you. When you hold a woman's gaze and show interest in her, or pay her compliments, you make her feel special and you feed her ego. Do it too much, however, and she loses interest and it's game over.

I've seen so many great looking guys and girls who are idolized from afar, but who continually have relationship problems and find themselves getting dumped or rejected, because they don't know how to keep the tension in the relationship, how to leave their lover wanting more, how to express the ability to walk away…or, in short, how to manipulate the minds of their girlfriend or boyfriend.

In fact, if you accept this understanding, good looks can be a curse because they allow more complacency. A good looking person may place too much value on their physical appeal and not enough on the importance of psychological attraction. They see themselves through the eyes of strangers, who place great value on their looks, and they think that’s all they need to keep a partner interested.

Even in long term relationships, you need to understand the psychology of attraction and maintaining your value in order for the relationship to survive. You can share the most incredible experiences, be totally loyal and loving to each other, and your girl might even claim you are the greatest thing to ever happen to her, and believe it 100%. However, this is not a constant! This is not her unwavering personality – it’s the way she feels at that particular moment while she has that particular perception of you. If you fail to maintain her interest or feelings, then you will see her personality change. Why? Because the psychology of your relationship has changed.

People often discuss what qualities attract women most…money, looks, confidence, game? They can’t make sense of hot girls who are in love with ugly guys, why women stick with abusive boyfriends (and vice versa) or why men and women sell out their dignity to chase their exes.

Neither men nor women can decide how they feel about someone and as it’s been said before “attraction is not a choice”. People often know a relationship is bad for them, they feel dissatisfied, have better options, have a list of reasons they should end it and move on…but rational thinking will always be trumped by emotional thinking.

Treating a woman badly constantly will probably drive her away, because there’s nothing in it for her. On the opposite end of the scale, if you put her on a pedestal and constantly feed her ego, she’s soon going to take it for granted and it will lose all meaning. They key is to give her a taste of what she wants, let her experience the highs of being with you, and then take it away, let her feel what it would be like never to experience that again. Just like a crack addict on a come down, she will start chasing her next high and associate you as the only person who can give that to her.

Talking to friends and acquaintances, looking on this forum, looking all over the internet, and I’ve experienced this so many times….you will see that there are a lot of guys who fall hard for unstable women. Some of these women are low quality b1tches, sometimes unattractive and hold no social value, but because they are unstable, they are unpredictable and exciting. They can be madly affectionate and needy one day, then cold and distant the next without explanation. It leaves us questioning ourselves, wondering why things have changed, wondering how to get it back and fvcking with our minds. Without even realising it, she is mastering the psychology of attraction, leaving you wanting more, creating tension.

I’ve seen a lot of people do this and I’m sure many of us have done it too. When our girlfriend turns cold on us or gives us some tension in our relationship, we get angry and announce that we’re done with her, we’re not going to take it any more and going to bang some other chicks…and yet inside we are craving her attention, we can’t think of any other girl except her and, in reality, we would turn down the hottest of women throwing themselves at us.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that men and women are most likely to cheat on their partners (or keep their options open) when they’re at their most content and secure in their relationship. This is because attraction levels are low and they’re craving the emotional highs and lows that their relationship is failing to offer.

You will often see people making a big show of flirting with other guys/girls following an argument with their partner, or turn to someone else for attention, but this rarely has any intention behind it and is often done in retaliation.

This is the reason people can regain the interest of their ex with indifference or no contact. Women, especially, like to move on gradually. They feel like they need a safety net, someone to return to if their dating ventures don’t work out. If you’re texting her every day, guilt tripping her, shouting at her, ranting about her on Facebook or whatever, you’re indicating that you still care and that implies that you’re still available to her. However, if you remove yourself suddenly from her life, you make her decision seem final. It will hit her with more impact and your value will start to rise. It has nothing to do with you being more or less physically attractive, becoming a better person, wealthier or more sociable in this time…it’s about the psychological process going on in her own mind.

I can’t count how many times I’ve heard women moaning about an ex they dumped or seen them send texts or try to provoke a reaction from him. And the less reaction they get, the more they start to obsess over him.

In some cases, they will apologise to their ex and beg forgiveness. Is this because they realise they have been wrong and they feel bad about hurting their ex? No. Of course not! It’s because they have feelings for him again and they want him to take her back, or at least give her some attention again. Women will treat someone according to how they feel towards them.
 
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Jariel

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I’ve learned this lesson this over and over again. In the beginning of my last relationship, I had this psychology mastered. I’d see my girlfriend on my terms, lead her out of her comfort zone and allow her to do things for me. I timed seeing her as to avoid the boring routine of her days, and would often arrive late at night, have sex and then leave by the morning. When she asked me to go round and see her I’d often turn her down, claiming I had other things to do. During our time together I was affectionate, loving and made her feel on top of the world, but I never allowed it to be taken for granted and would pull back from time to time, leaving her craving more of me, sending me long emotional texts. When I’d visit her and it was time to leave, I could see tears in her eyes and she clung to me, asked if there was any way I could stay for longer. I was doing everything right because I understood the psychology of attracting her, keeping her wanting more and keeping her hooked.

I took her for granted somewhat and was convinced she would never leave me, but out of nowhere she turned the tables. Following a big argument, she showed me that she was willing to walk away. All of a sudden, I started to panic, started chasing and pleading. This had a big psychological impact on me…I saw her as someone I couldn’t take for granted and I valued her more because I feared losing her! Suddenly she was the most important thing in the world to me. She expressed what she felt was wrong with our relationship and I offered to change, offered to give in to her demands. It didn’t occur to me that she had broken her heart about losing me, that her feelings were as strong as they’d ever been. I was just so worried about losing her.

And that’s when the roles reversed.

We got back together under her terms. I saw her when it suited her, I got involved with her routine and helped out more. And soon it was me who she was starting to take for granted. I stopped creating the tension, I became too available and as I did, she seemed to crave me less, show less need to be with me and even less affection. Worst of all, because she had already walked away, I found myself feeling insecure and scared to lose her. So every time she expressed dissatisfaction, I’d try to put it right. It got to the point where I became her lapdog, always eager to please. The less attention she gave me, the more I’d chase her and the more I chased her, the less she cared about me.

And guess what? She lost her feelings for me and went looking for another guy. Despite the fact that I’d given her what she wanted (or what she thought she wanted). Despite the fact that her family loved me, we shared the same sense of humour, despite the fact that I was still physically attractive, still able to satisfy her sexually and we clicked on multiple levels and had a history together…despite all of that, she no longer saw me as an eligible man for her because I’d failed to maintain the psychological attraction.

The big difference between our first break up and our second. The first time broke her heart. Regardless of her rational reasons for breaking up with me, she went into depression, cried every day we were apart, wrote me several long love letters pouring out her feelings and couldn’t bare to think of her life without me. The second time round, she couldn’t give a damn and just seemed glad to be free to move on.

I’m a good looking, charismatic and confident guy in general. I have girls from as young as 17 throwing themselves at me and many women perceive me as this great prize. To them, I have value. They imagine themselves being happy and excited by a guy like me. But to my ex girlfriend, I don’t have that same value. She doesn’t perceive me as this attractive and charismatic guy; she perceives me as a man with little dignity and who is too comfortable, predictable and eager to please.



It all comes down to psychology. Whether it’s about psychological perceptions of a person, whether it’s about the way you make your lover feel about herself or the psychological tension you create. This is the foundation of seduction, love and relationships.

It would be nice to think that attraction and love were based on good qualities, a mutual connection, similar interests and the like, but they’re not. People might make rational decisions to seek out these traits in their mate, but they do not decide who they fall for.

Think of the many times a woman has gone from high interest to rejecting you and you will probably find a psychological reason at the heart of it. You may have captivated her imagination with your looks or initial charm and composure, and then lost it when you got too comfortable.

Women have been using mind games for centuries and they’re such an fundamental part of their seduction and relationship process. Playing hard to get, blowing hot and cold, making a man jealous and manipulating his ego…these are like rites of passage that get passed down to girls. As guys, we know about these games, and yet many of them still work on us and can make the difference between banging a woman and becoming obsessed with her.

This is why men need to master these principles too and even up the score.
 

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Agreed... a lot. Experienced the same thing many a time. And vice versa for the girls. A hot decent girl who acted pushy, showed too much interest, and wanted an LTR / became too comfortable early on didn't attract me for very long, but a bish with "game" sure had me going... even though she was ALWAYS a stuck player b1tch wh0re lunatic. That didn't matter one bit, and her "badness" was quite sexy and provocative. These girls were also assertive, social, seductive, flirtacious, charming, revealing / sexy - in addition to all the other game they had. But they were also real "sweet". Definitely had the goods to keep men crazy-hooked on them.

When you have a lot of options and become invested in the game, you learn just how strong being an independent, high value challenge with options really is - and why women act the way they do, and choose the types they do. Attraction is pretty much universal, and it's all a game. The same thing that attracts them does to us. Being good "deep down" is also more appealing than being Mr. Rogers, or whomever. Definitely gotta have them bad boy traits, which develop naturally as you get screwed over by everyone. :kick:
 

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Something I'd just like to add is that the more somebody plays on your thoughts, the more attachment you are going to feel to them and this is what triggers emotions and even obsessions.

The most effective way to play on someone's mind is to instill a sense of uncertainty. If they know you're at home waiting for them to call, they'll put you to the back of their mind and continue their day. If they are left wondering where you are or who you are with, this is likely to play on their mind a lot more.

Another uncertainty tactic is to leave her guessing how you feel about her. Give her hints you're into her, but then pull away, let her question it. Play a little hard to get at times, be too busy to see her.

If you're in a mutual loving relationship, it's not a bad thing to tell her you love her, express it, even sprinkle rose petals on her bed and buy her a gift IF you only do it once in a while. Do it all the time and it will be taken for granted and will lose value. But by laying it on heavy from time to time and then being cool and indifferent in the following days/weeks, she's going to wonder why the sudden change, going to be questioning herself, you and so on...and you're going to be on her mind all the time.

Coming off my recent break up, I'm finding myself obsessed with thoughts of why she did what she did, how genuine her feelings were, why things changed and so on. As much as I try, I can't get these damn thoughts out of my head and, more to the point, I can't get her out of my head, even though I know I should.

This is why we get so obessive and emotionally distraught during a break up and why we feel more emotionally attached during these times than we ever did during the relationship.

This can all be summed up with one phrase: "the suspense is killing me".

People can face up to horrific truths and move on much quicker than if they're left guessing. We've been conditioned to seek a sense of closure and when we don't get it, we feel like there's more to be done.

This is powerful stuff, but it will serve you well.
 

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Unbelievable. One of the best threads ive ever read. Im a couple months into a very healthy, affectionate, supportive relationship with a woman I could envision myself with for a very long time. I continue to read though as I want to ensure the success of the relationship and not lose my edge/power. So my girlfriend is head over heels for me, sending me sappy messages and telling me how much she cares for me on a daily basis. My question is how do I respond when she acts/talks this way? Naturally I want to reciprocate the sweet sentiments, but I feel like thats not always a good idea. On the other hand I dont want to discourage her sweetness/good behavior by not reciprocating. Yalls thoughts?
 
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