A smart way to change texts to phone calls

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Hey guys,

Easy question,

If you wanted to transition the texts back and forth into phone calls at night

How would you do it?

Would you text (I'll call you tonight) *confirm the chick is available

Or would you straight up call her *might seem to needy

You've known each other for a bit and have gone out on a few dates already
 

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Here’s how I do it. When she’s texting and I’m heading somewhere or not. I say I’m texting, mind if I give you a call real quick?
 

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I don't ask, just call. Asking is approval seeking, and does not come from a position of leadership. Just not me.
 

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don't ask, just call. Asking is approval seeking, and does not come from a position of leadership. Just not me.
This one.. Quite true.
Don't hide behind SMS text messages or computers and all that bs and be a p@ssy. Just make the fvcking call.


Remember that guys in the past before internet/smartphones had to call the shared family land line phone and get past dad, mom, brothers, sisters, etc. to game a girl. You need big fvcking balls for that.
I'm sure some of the older members here like @Atom Smasher can tell something about that. ;)

Guess what?
Phone still works even today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(and its even easier cuz you do not need to talk to dad or other family members first for that sake)
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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This is a good question.

I personally don't like back and forth texting and prefer to call a chick and have a brief conversation.

Any thoughts on why a girl would try to refrain from calling eachother and try to keep things as texting back and forth?

This is my opinion only... If a girl doesn't want to call etc and insists on texting only, then she has something to hide.

A phone call reveals more of what a particular person is upto.

For example I can be in the club/or in bed with another chick and still send a text message off.

With a phone call it's tougher to be secretive and sneaky.

If a girl doesn't want to do phone calls she has something to hide
 

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Remember that guys in the past before internet/smartphones had to call the shared family land line phone and get past dad, mom, brothers, sisters, etc. to game a girl. You need big fvcking balls for that.
I'm sure some of the older members here like @Atom Smasher can tell something about that. ;)
You don't have to be that old for this to have been reality. Early Millennials had to do this in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Cell phones didn't get that common until around either my sophomore year (2002-2003) or junior year (2003-2004) of college.

I remember a few instances in junior and senior years of high school (1999 - 2001) calling girls on their landline phone and hoping not to talk to either their mom or dad. In high school, all the girls I gamed were on my school's campus so if I needed to talk to a girl, I could wait until school the next day. Back then, the phone was considered a substitute for having the balls to say things in-person. Both the phone and in-person stuff required balls.

Instant messaging services (such as AOL Instant Messenger) started to become popular around 2000 and those were the precursors to texting. I don't ever recall getting a female's AIM handle before getting her number though.

In my high school days, I could avoid a lot of phone contact simply because I had a small world of girls. By the time I got to college, the campus worlds was much bigger and did require getting phone numbers. That was right as cell phones were getting big so I barely ever had to get past roommates on a landline.

Don't hide behind SMS text messages or computers and all that bs and be a p@ssy. Just make the fvcking call.


Guess what?
Phone still works even today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(and its even easier cuz you do not need to talk to dad or other family members first for that sake)
I don't ask, just call. Asking is approval seeking, and does not come from a position of leadership. Just not me.
Phone calls can work under the right circumstances. I don't think it's a good idea to call a woman if she doesn't have your number entered into her phone. There are 2 ways to work through this. When you initially get her number, you can provide her with yours. That's a true number exchange in an in-person interaction. The other way is through initially texting her something like "Hi X, this is Your Name'. This is how women get your number from tech-based interactions. It's applicable to in-person interactions when she doesn't get your number while you get hers. The random number text is explained to her and if she's interested, she'll add your name to her contacts. Women who aren't truly interested never add you to their contacts and they won't pick up your random number phone call from their caller IDs.

Once you think she has your number stored in her phone, the 'Just Call Her' works better because she's more likely to either pick up a phone call from you or see that you've called if she missed your call and/or return a voicemail. I still recommend leaving simple voicemails when making calls.

Women who don't have your number stored are unlikely to answer your phone call and you are also unlikely to get a returned phone call either.

It's also good to avoid the phone tag problem with phone calls. That was a big problem for seducers in the 1970s-2000s before text messages. I've been actively participating on this forum 3 years and no one has ever talked about that.

Age is related to a woman's phone use skill and her comfort with using the phone for voice purposes. This extends to all types of social interactions, not just mating interactions. Women born before 1980 are most comfortable using the phone for voice interactions. Women born between 1980-1985 are somewhat comfortable with the phone for voice interactions, but there are some phone averse women in this group. Since I was born during this time, these are the women my age and slightly younger. Women born in 1986 (age 36/37 as of this writing) or later are often phone averse. The younger she is, the more phone averse she is. Someone born in 1986-1988 will be better with phone interactions than someone born 1992-1994.

@Grayfox stated his context was "You've known each other for a bit and have gone out on a few dates already". In that case, a man can just call her. The tricky part of the phone dance is prior to the 3rd date. @Grayfox is likely mainly dealing with women born in 1988-1993, so there's some level of phone aversion in the women he's dealing with. I've even encountered instances of women born in like 1983-1985 who avoided phone calls for voice communication as much as possible.
 

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This is a good question.

I personally don't like back and forth texting and prefer to call a chick and have a brief conversation.

Any thoughts on why a girl would try to refrain from calling eachother and try to keep things as texting back and forth?

This is my opinion only... If a girl doesn't want to call etc and insists on texting only, then she has something to hide.

A phone call reveals more of what a particular person is upto.

For example I can be in the club/or in bed with another chick and still send a text message off.

With a phone call it's tougher to be secretive and sneaky.

If a girl doesn't want to do phone calls she has something to hide
I have found this is often times a personality indicator of selfishness, unless there are logical reasons that make sense, ie, she is working or your schedules don't line up to do so, etc.

But usually it is because she doesn't want to be bothered having to stop and have her time taken away by being forced to talk to someone on the phone and give them all her attention, she would rather text and just reply whenever is convenient.

In essence, she is saying what she wants to do is more important than having to stop what she is doing to talk with you.

I have to admit tho, I mostly will call when I am driving somewhere and have them on hands free Bluetooth in the vehicle, so I effectively am multitasking and usually won't call when I have free time to myself.
 

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Any thoughts on why a girl would try to refrain from calling eachother and try to keep things as texting back and forth?
I am probably an outlier here but I have always hated phone chats. My opinion is that phone calls are more back-and-forth and a huge time waster. I don't get why guys advocate for gabbing away when texting is more direct and brief. Set it and forget it. Just don't get caught up in long exchanges. Phone calls, to me, are for 13 year old girls or for relatives who live far apart, or for when you can't find your phone.

Same goes for business. Nothing worse than someone replies with "can you hop on a quick call." No, email me. Unless it's something you don't want in print. Some people have nothing better to do. To that point women are probably just busier than a lot of guys striving to have game, they have other shyt to do than chat. Dudes want to seem busy but then wanna hop on a phone chat with a chick. Save the convo for a date.
 

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You don't have to be that old for this to have been reality. Early Millennials had to do this in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
Yeah I guess you are right about that.
Phone game has changed a lot since I first got into the whole mating environment.

In freshman and sophomore years of college (2001-2003), there were times I went out with a tiny notepad and a pen to off campus apartment/house parties in order to collect phone numbers. It is a lower end equivalent of the little black book.

Once I got my first cell phone in the Fall 2003 semester, I didn't have to do that anymore because the cell phones of 2003 could store phone numbers. That made part of the attraction-seduction game easier.

Even in the 2003-2005 era, there wasn't much texting. The advantage of cell phones was more of phone calls at any time. People didn't have to be at home to make phone calls. There was not much texting in those days and little DMing/instant messaging, so voicemail game was still a thing.

I don't get why guys advocate for gabbing away when texting is more direct and brief. Set it and forget it. Just don't get caught up in long exchanges.
Texting is way better for logistics than phone calls. Texting is also great for interactions in louder environments. Phone calls are better for conversations that are more nuanced with deeper meaning. It's an art to know when to use each other.

My opinion is that phone calls are more back-and-forth and a huge time waster.
There are some use cases in both dating interactions and in business interactions where a phone call can be more productive than an email, instant messenger type chat, or a text message.

Phone calls, to me, are for 13 year old girls or for relatives who live far apart, or for when you can't find your phone.
13 year old girls aren't talking on the phone much these days. I think 13 year old girls are doing more with apps like Snapchat and Instagram and sending text messages than actually talking on the phone.

Phone conversations with relatives who live far apart is a more realistic use case for phone calls.
 

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13 year old girls aren't talking on the phone much these days. I think 13 year old girls are doing more with apps like Snapchat and Instagram and sending text messages than actually talking on the phone.
Ha - good point.
 

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13 year old girls aren't talking on the phone much these days. I think 13 year old girls are doing more with apps like Snapchat and Instagram and sending text messages than actually talking on the phone.
Yeah purely text, snap and other social apps etc. in that age bracket.
 

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You lead the interactions, she follows. Comply or bye. Wanna text? Text her. Wanna do a phone call? Call her. Want a quickie? Initiate sexual escalation. You are the man! You are the prize! You are the f0cking King.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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Phone calls can work under the right circumstances. I don't think it's a good idea to call a woman if she doesn't have your number entered into her phone. There are 2 ways to work through this. When you initially get her number, you can provide her with yours. That's a true number exchange in an in-person interaction. The other way is through initially texting her something like "Hi X, this is Your Name'. This is how women get your number from tech-based interactions. It's applicable to in-person interactions when she doesn't get your number while you get hers. The random number text is explained to her and if she's interested, she'll add your name to her contacts. Women who aren't truly interested never add you to their contacts and they won't pick up your random number phone call from their caller IDs.

Once you think she has your number stored in her phone, the 'Just Call Her' works better because she's more likely to either pick up a phone call from you or see that you've called if she missed your call and/or return a voicemail. I still recommend leaving simple voicemails when making calls.

Women who don't have your number stored are unlikely to answer your phone call and you are also unlikely to get a returned phone call either.
Yes, make sure she has your number already. Very important point.
 

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You don't have to be that old for this to have been reality. Early Millennials had to do this in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Cell phones didn't get that common until around either my sophomore year (2002-2003) or junior year (2003-2004) of college.

I remember a few instances in junior and senior years of high school (1999 - 2001) calling girls on their landline phone and hoping not to talk to either their mom or dad. In high school, all the girls I gamed were on my school's campus so if I needed to talk to a girl, I could wait until school the next day. Back then, the phone was considered a substitute for having the balls to say things in-person. Both the phone and in-person stuff required balls.

Instant messaging services (such as AOL Instant Messenger) started to become popular around 2000 and those were the precursors to texting. I don't ever recall getting a female's AIM handle before getting her number though.

In my high school days, I could avoid a lot of phone contact simply because I had a small world of girls. By the time I got to college, the campus worlds was much bigger and did require getting phone numbers. That was right as cell phones were getting big so I barely ever had to get past roommates on a landline.





Phone calls can work under the right circumstances. I don't think it's a good idea to call a woman if she doesn't have your number entered into her phone. There are 2 ways to work through this. When you initially get her number, you can provide her with yours. That's a true number exchange in an in-person interaction. The other way is through initially texting her something like "Hi X, this is Your Name'. This is how women get your number from tech-based interactions. It's applicable to in-person interactions when she doesn't get your number while you get hers. The random number text is explained to her and if she's interested, she'll add your name to her contacts. Women who aren't truly interested never add you to their contacts and they won't pick up your random number phone call from their caller IDs.

Once you think she has your number stored in her phone, the 'Just Call Her' works better because she's more likely to either pick up a phone call from you or see that you've called if she missed your call and/or return a voicemail. I still recommend leaving simple voicemails when making calls.

Women who don't have your number stored are unlikely to answer your phone call and you are also unlikely to get a returned phone call either.

It's also good to avoid the phone tag problem with phone calls. That was a big problem for seducers in the 1970s-2000s before text messages. I've been actively participating on this forum 3 years and no one has ever talked about that.

Age is related to a woman's phone use skill and her comfort with using the phone for voice purposes. This extends to all types of social interactions, not just mating interactions. Women born before 1980 are most comfortable using the phone for voice interactions. Women born between 1980-1985 are somewhat comfortable with the phone for voice interactions, but there are some phone averse women in this group. Since I was born during this time, these are the women my age and slightly younger. Women born in 1986 (age 36/37 as of this writing) or later are often phone averse. The younger she is, the more phone averse she is. Someone born in 1986-1988 will be better with phone interactions than someone born 1992-1994.

@Grayfox stated his context was "You've known each other for a bit and have gone out on a few dates already". In that case, a man can just call her. The tricky part of the phone dance is prior to the 3rd date. @Grayfox is likely mainly dealing with women born in 1988-1993, so there's some level of phone aversion in the women he's dealing with. I've even encountered instances of women born in like 1983-1985 who avoided phone calls for voice communication as much as possible.
I always did hate the calling the landline and hoping you got her or anyone to answer phenomenon

There was an era that I really liked and David D was big on this too.

He used to suggest when out to ask for her email address… and say while you are at it give me your number

email was a good test of a womans intelligence. Then eventually i would call them. It all worked.

i hate text now for reasons i will detail some other time
 

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Thanks for the reply guys, the reason I am asking is cause I need to change my approach with a lady that travels often as our communication is really bad.

We’ve been talking for a while when she’s in the office and take lunches and I took her out on a few dates, but I think I believe at this point I am low interest because initiating texts every few days can get old quick, and she might be casually seeing other guys, the texts are not long and it’s a quick back and forth.

Phone calls on the other hand tend to increase attraction as one has more meaning and less to hide. I’m a good conversationalist also and more fun on the phone. Idk maybe I’m a bit more old school lol.

I believe though that I have one last chance with this chick, so I’ll just give her a call and change that communication and hopefully that works.
 

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You don't have to be that old for this to have been reality. Early Millennials had to do this in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Cell phones didn't get that common until around either my sophomore year (2002-2003) or junior year (2003-2004) of college.

I remember a few instances in junior and senior years of high school (1999 - 2001) calling girls on their landline phone and hoping not to talk to either their mom or dad. In high school, all the girls I gamed were on my school's campus so if I needed to talk to a girl, I could wait until school the next day. Back then, the phone was considered a substitute for having the balls to say things in-person. Both the phone and in-person stuff required balls.

Instant messaging services (such as AOL Instant Messenger) started to become popular around 2000 and those were the precursors to texting. I don't ever recall getting a female's AIM handle before getting her number though.

In my high school days, I could avoid a lot of phone contact simply because I had a small world of girls. By the time I got to college, the campus worlds was much bigger and did require getting phone numbers. That was right as cell phones were getting big so I barely ever had to get past roommates on a landline.





Phone calls can work under the right circumstances. I don't think it's a good idea to call a woman if she doesn't have your number entered into her phone. There are 2 ways to work through this. When you initially get her number, you can provide her with yours. That's a true number exchange in an in-person interaction. The other way is through initially texting her something like "Hi X, this is Your Name'. This is how women get your number from tech-based interactions. It's applicable to in-person interactions when she doesn't get your number while you get hers. The random number text is explained to her and if she's interested, she'll add your name to her contacts. Women who aren't truly interested never add you to their contacts and they won't pick up your random number phone call from their caller IDs.

Once you think she has your number stored in her phone, the 'Just Call Her' works better because she's more likely to either pick up a phone call from you or see that you've called if she missed your call and/or return a voicemail. I still recommend leaving simple voicemails when making calls.

Women who don't have your number stored are unlikely to answer your phone call and you are also unlikely to get a returned phone call either.

It's also good to avoid the phone tag problem with phone calls. That was a big problem for seducers in the 1970s-2000s before text messages. I've been actively participating on this forum 3 years and no one has ever talked about that.

Age is related to a woman's phone use skill and her comfort with using the phone for voice purposes. This extends to all types of social interactions, not just mating interactions. Women born before 1980 are most comfortable using the phone for voice interactions. Women born between 1980-1985 are somewhat comfortable with the phone for voice interactions, but there are some phone averse women in this group. Since I was born during this time, these are the women my age and slightly younger. Women born in 1986 (age 36/37 as of this writing) or later are often phone averse. The younger she is, the more phone averse she is. Someone born in 1986-1988 will be better with phone interactions than someone born 1992-1994.

@Grayfox stated his context was "You've known each other for a bit and have gone out on a few dates already". In that case, a man can just call her. The tricky part of the phone dance is prior to the 3rd date. @Grayfox is likely mainly dealing with women born in 1988-1993, so there's some level of phone aversion in the women he's dealing with. I've even encountered instances of women born in like 1983-1985 who avoided phone calls for voice communication as much as possible.
You are correct, 1988

The chick was born on 1997, but last few times I did get her on a phone call I had to schedule it and than we talked but the interaction was better than texting.
 

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You are correct, 1988

The chick was born on 1997, but last few times I did get her on a phone call I had to schedule it and than we talked but the interaction was better than texting.
A woman who was born in 1997 is 25/26 today. Getting a 25/26 year old on the phone today often involves scheduling it via text. I don't consider coordinating a time for a phone conversation via text too bad of a thing. It beats playing phone tag if people call when one person is unavailable. Then, you'd have to be concerned if your phone call would ever be returned. In the landline era, people used to wait by the phone for calls. The cell phone era eliminated that, even the pre-smartphone cell phones. I remember how exciting it was in 2003 to get my first cell phone and be able to make/receive calls while away from my home.
 
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