A question for guys 28-32 or older

[GQ_Confidence_1]

As you get older (I'm 30), I think part of you invariably questions the "rules" we've all been brought up to live by. The rules of, buy a home, raise a family, believe in your government, believe in certain institutions, believe the media, etc.

I wont turn this into a political thread, but the Jon Stewart/Cramer interview the other day was a watershed moment in the media and tv (created quite a buzz). Stewart basically exposed CNBC, and Cramer as a bunch of cons, they've pulled the wool over everyone eyes about this financial crisis and what they knew. And whether they should have reported it better or not.

At 20-25, you have all this youthful enthusiasm about the world. And at 28-30, you're at the other end. You see all the garbage, lies, distortion. Government ineptitude.

I wonder, how many guys seriously think...screw the rules...I'm going to live by my own. I have to do whats best for my family or gf. Whether its move to a tropical island. Move to the forest. It doesnt have to be dramatic, but just....I dont accept those rules. Or you think that it isn't a part of you (and this is after your dj'ing, new confidence with women). AFC/standard relationship, you may not have that kind of confidence with your gf or wife. But if you're the man, you do what's best for your family. Do you think it gives you new sense in life, a new purpose? Does it spice things up? Does it make you feel more alive in an otherwise drowned out world?

I think one of the killers of marriage (if you believe in marriage, 2 kids, a house), after 25-30, is you dont believe in anything anymore. Its just boredom.

And many of these things that you look at (govt, institutions, media), the major controllers of life, they dont get better, the harder you look at them. Once you see the truth, you dont go back. Or, its very hard to.

And its different than just "feeling like a dj", or running game. You really are doing something to be the man in the relationship, by making decisions or choices that protect your woman or your gf.

I dont know...just some random thoughts. But it basically has to do with making major life decisions as you get older and wiser. Do you "play by the rules", or do whats best for your family or wife/gf.

 

[Jeffst1980]

I like this thread and I want to respond to it, but its 3:45 at night and i'm not at my most coherent...i'm just writing this to remind myself to post here tomorrow!

 

[iqqi]

I dont know...just some random thoughts. But it basically has to do with making major life decisions as you get older and wiser. Do you "play by the rules", or do whats best for your family or wife/gf.

Dude. WTF.

You are really asking THIS question?

The answer is, you do what is right for YOU.

Why can't you do what is "right", unless it is for your "fam" or your "gf"? YOU are not enough of a reason to do what is right? Obviously if you DO happen to have a serious GF or family then you take them into consideration as well, as they are a part of YOU. But the way you phrased the question bothered me.

You definately do not play "by the rules". The rules are BS.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Not anymore.

I think when you are younger you are a lot more idealistic. As you get older and you experience more its only natural for your views and perceptions to change based on your experiences. Fact is as a 16-18 year old kid, I was only concerned with sports and girls. As I got older, my only concern was my social life and ***** while I started to concentrate a little more on work. By the time I hit 25, I started to travel more which really opened my eyes to the lifestyle westerners lead. These days, I am focused on money. I have realised wealth holds the key to almost every goal I have.

I no longer have much faith in western culture any more though. We may be productive and there is no doubt our standard of living is the highest in the world but I really do question the quality of life and overall happiness of the people. I also think that westerners have become like androgynous drones that do nothing but slave away in a cubicle pumping up their retirement funds hoping they dont become another heart attack/divorce statistic. Everyone chasing the 4x2 McMansion in the suburbs, 2 kids headed for university and a wife that has a career too. Following trends set by MTV and Cosmo and praying to **** that the lead up to it is as fun and drama filled as we see on television.

My goals are the same I have just changed how I approach things and my expectations are different. Im still money hungry but I have realised that working harder is simply not the best way to achieve more wealth. I would still like to have a family with traditional gender roles but I am also starting to realise that perhaps Australia is not going to be able to provide that for me or my family. Nor will the USA or UK.

When it comes to women though I have really reached a point of total indifference. They have almost no real bearing on my life. I refuse to date women I dont find attractive and the really good looking women have so little to offer they are rarely worth pursuing for anything but sex. Its the same **** with all of them. They are so spoiled and so full of themselves they fail to see how mediocre so many of them are.

They dont develop themselves in any way at all. They get a university education thats normally worth ****. They have few hobbies outside shopping and clubbing/bar crawling. The activities they do do are to keep them in shape or to put them in front of men. Few have an interest in politics, history, current events or real business. Its just feels at times as if everything outside the bedroom is a discussion on her life, her drama, gossip, parties and whatever else Cosmo told her was fashionable that week.

Its easy to land a decent piece of ass. Whats a problem is landing a decent piece of ass that actually has broader interests and does not come with the drama. Loyalty is another thing western women have zero concept of and the sense of self entitlement I run into on a daily basis disgusts me to the extreme.

Amazing thing is as I started to become more indifferent towards women and as my own personal situation and confidence has improved my success with women has sky rocketed. When I was the nice guy who actually cared what she thought and was even interested in her I had to work overtime to get some tail.

They really are odd little creatures at times.

 

[ketostix]

You know, Lou Dobbs is a long time finance/business guy, and he's been reporting the problems in finance, business, and government for years. But hardly anyone listens or cares. Things are the way they are not because of the government, some shadowy illuminati, religon or social rules per se, or any other group. The fundamental reason things are the way that they are is due to human nature. If you look behind the curtain or the facade, you'll see that just about every single person is work in competition against one another and each individual person is to blame for the way things are. Even your gf/wife has the proclivity to express this human nature as is well covered on this site. You won't ever escape human nature unless you live independently and solitarily and that's just about impossible to do nowadays even if you wanted to. Really all you can do is become independently wealthy and then the rules somewhat change for you.

 

[KontrollerX]

I'm out for myself first and foremost.

The rules, rituals and religions of society are just disguises to cover up the truth of nihilism all around us.

The momentary solution is to live life getting away with what you can get away with and finding new entertainments from moment to moment to ward off the never ending boredom and the nothingness.

Self improvement is indeed masturbation as the Fight Club movie says but I and I think many others here use it as one of our momentary entertainments to ward off the boredom and the horrifying but also apathy inducing meaninglessness of it all.

So I think ultimately whether one is a student of Eckhardt Tolle, Tom Leykis or Tony Robbins I think we all even the religious believers on some level are simply doing what Colonel Kurtz talked about in Apacolypse Now and that is we are making a friend of horror.

We know that everything we do, say and create is pointless and will utterly be forgotten and swallowed up by the sands of time but we do it anyway while we are alive if only to suffer a little bit less via distractions.

 

[legolas]

As you get older (I'm 30), I think part of you invariably questions the "rules" we've all been brought up to live by. The rules of, buy a home, raise a family, believe in your government, believe in certain institutions, believe the media, etc.

I wont turn this into a political thread, but the Jon Stewart/Cramer interview the other day was a watershed moment in the media and tv (created quite a buzz). Stewart basically exposed CNBC, and Cramer as a bunch of cons, they've pulled the wool over everyone eyes about this financial crisis and what they knew. And whether they should have reported it better or not.

I'm a few weeks away from hitting the big 3-0 and have thought of the same things myself. I had never invested in the stock market just because I never really understood all the intricacies but this recession has taught me how much of a joke that is. I think of the economy now as a big-ass Monopoly game complete with its own set of monopoly money and a banker/govt with a color printer ready to print more.

So without turning this into a economical thread I have some suggestions for you.

1. Read "The 4-hour workweek" by Tim Ferriss. You'll find exactly the tools you need to change your life and escape conventional wisdom.

2. Read Neil Strauss' (Style) "Emergency: This book will save your life" which is chock full of survival skills. (You can read a preview here: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...passports-swiss-banking-and-crossing-borders/)

Myself, I'm now seriously focused on learning business skills (creating value, marketing, selling, networking, etc) These skills WILL be valuable no matter where you decide to live (as long as you don't live in solitary confinement) I have been greatly influenced by Eben Pagan's (David DeAngelo) material but not his dating stuff, his business stuff. (www.getaltitude.com) and Brian Kim (www.briankim.net)

 

[Colossus]

I really believe most people live out of obligation.

Self-serving lives in a framework of obligation I guess would be more appropriate. Obligations are culturally and socially determined and most of them serve some sort of latent purpose; usually the ego-pumping of another or the continual turning of dogmatic cogs that make up a larger institutional "machine".

The thing is, no one has to live out of obligation. We do it out of fear. Fear of rejection, fear of abandonment, fear of disapproval. And what are these things? Subjective and temporary. Yet they rule our lives...crazy.

Nowhere is obligation more evident than in marriage and relationships. If you don't think that at least 2/3 marriages happen out of one or both party's perceived obligation, you're not opening your eyes. Why do you think that marriage is seen as the unequivocal passage into 'adulthood' that commences in your mid-late 20's?? Pragmatism would rule against marriage for most men; given it is largely an institution that serves women and ends poorly, statistically speaking. Yet men do it anyway, out of obligation, to please their girlfriend, the next logical step in life.

But WHY is this the "next logical step"? No one ever asks themselves that. I am not convinced that marriage will make my life better. In fact, at this point it would just make my life worse; even with the nebulous 'good' girl.

I think the key for me was to let go of the fears I had about what would happen should I not take this traditional white-picket-lined path. They are irrational and not based in actuality. It's more important to me to put my professional goals first and focus on getting to a point of appreciable income; because money really rules most of what I want to do with my life. And student loans are an obligation you cannot escape. Sure, I could have not gone to college, but what the hell would I be doing? I don't want to live my life constantly peddling something in sales. I wanted to go to college, I want to go to medical school. I see what happens to people who stop education early and marry young. It's called BOREDOM, and a whole new set of obligations. Payments, loans, credit cards, soccer practice, Grey's Anatomy, robotic sex, ad infinitum.

It just seems like a no-brainer to me. You can do so much more with your life if you don't live with a marriage-as-goal mentality. Or relationship-as-goal mentality for that matter.

 

[Luthor Rex]

I wont turn this into a political thread, but the Jon Stewart/Cramer interview the other day was a watershed moment in the media and tv (created quite a buzz). Stewart basically exposed CNBC, and Cramer as a bunch of cons, they've pulled the wool over everyone eyes about this financial crisis and what they knew. And whether they should have reported it better or not.

The media, in general, have been known to be liars or at least distorters basically since there has been a media.

At 20-25, you have all this youthful enthusiasm about the world. And at 28-30, you're at the other end. You see all the garbage, lies, distortion. Government ineptitude.

The age range for this is different for everyone, but the crisis is basically the same. In the end you either accept mainstream rules or you reject them.

Once you see the truth, you dont go back. Or, its very hard to.

Some people pop out of the Matrix and then pop back in. I've seen it happen in a weird self-delusional kind of way. It's like they know the truth but refuse to consciously think about it.

When it comes to women though I have really reached a point of total indifference. They have almost no real bearing on my life. I refuse to date women I dont find attractive and the really good looking women have so little to offer they are rarely worth pursuing for anything but sex. Its the same **** with all of them. They are so spoiled and so full of themselves they fail to see how mediocre so many of them are.

They dont develop themselves in any way at all. They get a university education thats normally worth ****. They have few hobbies outside shopping and clubbing/bar crawling. The activities they do do are to keep them in shape or to put them in front of men. Few have an interest in politics, history, current events or real business. Its just feels at times as if everything outside the bedroom is a discussion on her life, her drama, gossip, parties and whatever else Cosmo told her was fashionable that week.

Its easy to land a decent piece of ass. Whats a problem is landing a decent piece of ass that actually has broader interests and does not come with the drama. Loyalty is another thing western women have zero concept of and the sense of self entitlement I run into on a daily basis disgusts me to the extreme.

Amazing thing is as I started to become more indifferent towards women and as my own personal situation and confidence has improved my success with women has sky rocketed. When I was the nice guy who actually cared what she thought and was even interested in her I had to work overtime to get some tail.

quoted for truth

 

[GQ_Confidence_1]

Dude. WTF.

You are really asking THIS question?

The answer is, you do what is right for YOU.

Why can't you do what is "right", unless it is for your "fam" or your "gf"? YOU are not enough of a reason to do what is right? Obviously if you DO happen to have a serious GF or family then you take them into consideration as well, as they are a part of YOU. But the way you phrased the question bothered me.

You definately do not play "by the rules". The rules are BS.

I wasnt 100% coherent late last night when I posted, I'm not sure how it came out.

There could be many reasons why you have to "play by the rules", you're tied down with obligations, mortgages, college classes, etc. Or family pressure, societal pressure. Not everyone can just get up and leave or change their situation.

Most are blase, status quo, look the other way. Distract yourself with iphones, xboxes, mcmansions. Its not necessarily bad, we do have a very high living standard compared with the rest of the world (even in light of this recession/depression).

-Its true human nature is always going to be the same, but I think theres major sea change under way for the US (esp vs the rest of the world). There was a quote I read somewhere that really impacted me. One of the best quotes I've read in the last few years.

Paraphrasing, "there are decades when nothing happens, and there are days/weeks when decades happen". Basically, everything is going along fine for a long time (i.e. the 80's and 90's which were very easy and stressfree). The 00's, 07, 08, there's been a dramatic shift, even in the last 2 years. The world has shifted, even in the last 3 months.

Most Americans are so worn down, distracted, misinformed, confused. Like in Temple of Doom, when Indiana went to the Indian village. And he met with the villiage elder. And he covered his eyes...and he saw "Darkness". That's it in America in 2008, 09 heading into the future. We see pitch black darkness with our hand over our eyes.

TV/media, there use to be a clear line between...say the 3 stooges and the nightly news with walter cronkite, or the nbc nightly news. Now, it's reversed. The Daily Show is your news, and msnbc, fox, cnbc are the carnival barkers. The 3 stooges are now the "analysts" on every news show that don't know anything and don't say anything.

I think in a society where you can't get accurate news, you're basically running blind...and figurtively speaking....falling through the air. Theres definitely more manipulation now and control than in the past, and I dont see that stopping anytime soon.

-On the subject of the 4 hour work week and similar books, Ive definitely gotten educated on investing. Would recommend, "Money Game" about investing (written about the market of the 60's). Books like that have saved me alot of money, I havent been invested in stocks at all this decade. The 90's bubble is not going to end well.

I think theres more of an urgency now, to do something.

-I dont want to go through life completely indifferent to women. I agree marriage as a sole goal isnt good. Theres more to life than that.

You hear about some people that just say screw it...and move to a farm in australia, or to idaho or something. They place a very high value on their direction in life. I dont think you can ever fully escape the androgenous drone society, but they do make a stand and say they're going. I dont think women reading this will fully "get it", but the guys probably will. Where you really have to do something, its not just a bunch of games.

The games may linger, but you have to search out new territories. And just sitting at the computer doesnt do it anymore, you're losing too much.

 

[GQ_Confidence_1]

As a corollary, you wonder what the goals are any more once you know the truth.

-Everyone growing up is sold on the idea of the mcmansion, 2 cars in the driveway, the picket fence, 2 kids, 2 dogs. Cosmo, Readers Digest in your mailbox.

What's the point, if the government is playing games, creating depressions on purpose, creating wars on purpose, raiding your 401k, giving to the banks or brokers. They're picking your pockets as you read another empty fluff piece in Readers Digest or Parade Magazine.

The McMansion, two cars in the driveway, 401k's was a winning and achievable goal for an earlier generation. I dont think the same is true for this generation. Or, we're going to have to do a lot of catching up.

From reading history and many books, I think the goals for America were an anomoly from 1950 to 2000. Basically created by WWII, which wrecked Europe and Japan and took them out of the game. And other countries then weren't a factor (China, India). We had the world to ourselves, and made some solid/real gains (enjoyed by our parents). Then the 70's, 80's and 90's were debt and credit expansion keeping us afloat. With the rest of the world slowing creeping up.

And now in 2008/09 of course, its hit us in the face.

I dont want to get way off topic, but it is something that affects mature men over 25...definitely a dividing line between the way young guys see the world, vs those over the college/illusion hump.

 

[STR8UP]

Excellent topic. The simple realization that "life is not as it seems" is indeed a revelation that can free you from so many of these "obligations" of which Colossus speaks.

I've been saying this for years. Society places a thin veil over its inner machinery. Many people (especially those who are younger and full of blind optimism) never peek underneath the pretty facade.

This facade is sometimes referred to as "the matrix" and it extends well beyond the male/female dynamic.

See, you have two (often opposing forces) at work here, biology, and society.

Biology drives all of us at a base level. We have to survive. We will never be completely free of the influences biology has on us.

Society is the thing that pulls us in other directions, often in ways that clash with our biological urges.

This is a good and a bad thing. It's good in that it gives us a structured, orderly society where people are generally not running amok, acting indiscriminately on their unbridled biological urges. Society has rules that help to prevent us from murdering our neighbor to steal his steak, and many others that allow us to live and thrive collectively as a group.

The problem comes when some people choose not to live by the rules. And we ALL break the rules from time to time. So what you end up with is this thin layer covering the REAL social machinery, which in turn covers the primordial ooze.

The thing that many people fail to realize that much of what they see is a pretty facade. It's the pleasantries and niceties of "polite" society. It is the fog that we walk around in that allows us to avoid the harsh and unpleasant reality of life.

So yea, when you get a little older you begin to realize that so much of what you were taught by polite society when you were growing up doesn't match what you are seeing in the real world. Women who are supposedly "in love" with you cheat on you with their coworkers and eventually leave you for your best friend. People who you have known for a long time and trusted turn around and stab you in the back and rob you as soon as the payday is big enough. The government you thought was a "capitalist" government proceeds to throw billions of YOUR tax dollars into the coffers of businesses that are "too big to fail", while you personally are losing your job and your house.

This goes well beyond women. It extends to your "life path" in general. I crack up on a daily basis when someone insists on buying a product for 30% more because of the brand name, when I also sell the identical item with a different shell on it made by the very same company that is branded as a "more affordable option". People are "brandwashed" into believing something is better than something else because they don't know any better.

 

[NewMan]

There is really nothing you can do about it - you observe it, realizse it's there, then use it to your advantage whenever you can.....

I've never bough into this "Society expects you to..." BS. you need to live your life the way you want to - and do what's right for you....

 

[Bible_Belt]

I think a big turning point is whether or not you have kids. If not, then everything else can be walked away from and replaced. Children really are the one thing that keep you from living your life with yourself as priority number one. The people who have kids seem to get a lot of joy out of them...most of the time...but they do change your life whether you like it or not. I am at an age where a lot of people shift into Mommy or Daddy mode and stay there for the rest of their lives. I am not seeking that out, but I could live with it if it happened.

 

[squirrels]

You're asking the right questions.

Unfortunately, an Internet forum cannot answer them for you. I mean, they can give you the answer that you seek, but it'll just be words on a screen until you come to that conclusion for yourself.

The fact that you asked, though, means you're headed in the right direction.

 

[Nelford]

This thread is awesome. I think about this very subject(s) everyday. Keep it rolling fellas.

 

[GQ_Confidence_1]

Something that I've been working on (and reading about) is a realistic lifestyle, or goals to shoot for in the future.

1950 to 2000 Americans goals and ideals are not going to continue. A good book, good primer on world economics for me was Jim Rogers Investment Biker. There are other books like Guns, Germs and Steel, and some others that describe the world. Investment Biker though, drove the point home, that we're just little specs of history. 1950 to 2000 America was not normal in world history. It's not "normal" to be getting unlimited credit card offers in the mail, etc.

We know very little about what supports our standard of living. I think its critical to build a world view that isn't supported by or attached to our media. There are several layers that people never get through.

-Some see tv/media as the truth, and accept anything given.
-Some go one layer beneath that, and that's a revelation to them...my gosh...they're all lying! Then we look up the persuasion techniques they're using, and think we're so smart, and we have it figured out. Or, we look online to "get the truth", and away from that darn mainstream media.

But I think there's several layers underneath that, that no one knows or has thought about.

There's a very thin veil that keeps people where they are. Think about your highschool experience with girls...you didnt know anything. You have all these beliefs. You think the hot girls are impossible, or you have to write poems, or do 32 things right. You gotta work out, gotta have the right car.

Then lo and behold you come on here on the internet...my gosh...just ec, kino, etc. Is that all? Be a man? Wow.

If things really go to he*ll, it's all going to look "normal" to us. But I think it'll be a thin veil to the other side, or other territory.

-As far as a realistic lifestyle, I wonder if all this stuff....the mcmansion, 2 cars, 401k isn't just government created. Not even marketing created. A false goal created by govt....then they come along every 5 or 10 years and pick your pockets (through recession/depression, redistribution, changes in the tax code, etc). By the end of the game, you're left with nothing, and it was just a carrot for society. And you were playing xbox all along.

Like this real estate bubble a few years ago...how could so many people have been so dumb? It wasnt like 20 or 30 people. They weren't all eccentrics or oddballs...like michael jackson or someone we consider to be weird. But otherwise "normal", "educated" people. "Hard working" people. All these terms that we know. Maybe, "hard working people" was created by the national association of realtors. Maybe it's trademarked by them. It would have been cheaper to live in a hotel or buy an RV for a few years. Better than losing your downpayment, or losing $200 or $300 k on your home. You could have gone around the world for a fraction of that.

Are you really "buying a home", or are you believing the marketing from the national association of realtors, who want to sell you a home? Huge difference between the two.

Are you, "taking out a loan to pursue the American dream", or are you entering into a slavery contract with a mega bank/govt bank, thats going to make you sweat until the last payment is recieved? There's no whip or chains on the table, but instead a contract that you can't win.

30 years is an eternity in the world. Look what can change in 3 or 4 years. You have to make this tedious payment every month. All these variables can change or are shuffled around by govt (loss of jobs in the area, or a trade bill that moves things to mexico). Property tax changes, local revenue. Again...may have been great from 1950-2000, our parents could make the payments. A 30 year mortgage was more in synch with a 30 year/stable employer. But 2000-2020...I dont know.

I could keep going...but maybe some food for thought. Good points guys.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

An interesting book I would like to recommend is

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-Ahead-Following-Greatest/dp/1416588981

From a purely financial point of view, some of the stuff that is mentioned leaves a lot to be desired. While many predictions the author has made over the years have come true, many have not. He did forecast the financial crisis though and was only a year off his predictions. If you consider that they started with this book in 2005 its alarming to see how accurate his predictions were.

Why I recommend the book is because it charts human development over boom, bust cycles. Not purely from a financial point of view but from a population and social point of view. The author is an economist who specialises in demographics in particular and uses demographics to forecast many of his economic, political and social predictions.

A lot of what is written goes against the would and while some of it is not 100% accurate I would recommend it to anyone who believes that the status quo is not what it seems.If you believe that there is a steady decline in western society and culture this explains why you are seeing it in some ways.

Like this real estate bubble a few years ago...how could so many people have been so dumb? It wasnt like 20 or 30 people. They weren't all eccentrics or oddballs...like michael jackson or someone we consider to be weird. But otherwise "normal", "educated" people. "Hard working" people. All these terms that we know. Maybe, "hard working people" was created by the national association of realtors. Maybe it's trademarked by them. It would have been cheaper to live in a hotel or buy an RV for a few years. Better than losing your downpayment, or losing $200 or $300 k on your home. You could have gone around the world for a fraction of that.

This is the perfect example of the sheep mentality. Best sellers like Rich Dad Poor Dad have convinced people that residential property is the path to financial freedom. The problem is that if you have everyone buying and owning more then just the property they live in you end up with a massive oversupply of housing when credit becomes accessible.

Its not just that people could not afford to pay their loans. Its that the market was flooded with assets that were never worth what everyone though they were worth. Basic supply and demand was completely ignored.

Its everywhere. Specialist magazines helping you build up your "investment property portfolio" to tid bits in major newspapers explaining how to add equity to your own own home through renovations. You have TV shows on property bargain hunting and investment. You have cold calls inviting you to seminars and advertising on the radios telling you about property investments in a new boom area with great rental returns and no risk.

Add this to the poor risk profiling by the banks with lower income groups and its no wonder the house of cards came tumbling down.

Most people never saw it because they were so wrapped up in their own little worlds they never saw what was happening around them. Which is no different to the guy who decides to marry his long term girlfriend EVEN THOUGH most of his married friends are saying they wish they never took the step or are going through a divorce.

People choose to believe the reality that best suits there own frame of mind. Its why the self help gurus preaching positive thinking have their supporters. If you have a positive mindset you tend to only notice the positive things. If you have a negative mindset you tend to notice and focus on only the negative. If you can find some reasonable sense of balance you will be much better off for it.

 

[ElChoclo]

Obviously you will, as you get older, question the validity of certain conventions. Like the title of that book "Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart."

Especially where your own observations repeatedly clash with accepted dogma. Does that mean you throw out the rules. No. Because half the trick is to find out what the rules are.

So even if you do end up walking around thinking "What idiots!" most of the time, just remember, you have to live with them.

The other half of the trick is to make the rules work for you. If you think you have questions now, just wait until you are 50.

 

[speed dawg]

I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me.