Im curios how many guys think mysteries theories are correct. Im really curios to hear from the more experienced members. I mean i see him on T.V. spitting out his canned openers and stuff and i dont think being phony is right, but his ideology is it real? Do peacocking, (i know negs work), and his general philosophy hold any merit?
A question about the world's greatest PUA
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daygameguy
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The Mystery Method is the ONLY body of knowledge that I trust, and have used, and has got me results.Pathgen said:
Everything in the game taught by PUGs like Style, Mystery, Sinn, Savoy etc, works better than any other theory.
RSD evolved from MM. All the RSD leaders started out with MM and canned stuff.
SO yeah, trust MM.
BUT, you can't just listen to MM being spit out in seminars and TV shows, I know it sounds too gimmicky, it has to be experienced first hand, and also, there is a bigger layer of underlying theories and concepts that make MM work... so you gotta learn everything that you can from these sources, and teach yourself the game, through practice!
But there are some things I don't like about Mystery and MM:
They use too much canned stuff, and basically behave like robots. This is where I use my DJ knowledge/beliefs to be more natural...
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I agree with Daygameguy 100%. I remember when I first read "The Game". Boy,that book opened my eyes to possibilities I never even dreamed of.daygameguy said:
That book was so mindblowing,that I almost thought it was fiction.
Then when I bought Mystery's book "The Mystery Method",I was able to look back at a lot of my past interactions with women and finally understand why things happened the way they did. And as for "peacocking",one time I went to a supermarket,and as I was paying for my groceries,I was talking to the cashier about her she was supposed to speak and say hi to the customers and how she didn't say hi to me. Then she said to me,"oh,so I guess you're supposed to be all powered up?". Now when she said this,I didn't know what she was talking about. Then I look down at my shirt that had "POWERED UP" in big bold letters on the front.
So I "peacocked" unintentionally and it worked. I wasn't even thinking about peacocking,I just threw on a shirt and went to the store.
So yeah,personally,I totally support Mystery as being the greatest pua.
there is a style to everything. mystery has got his style. it is INDIRECT. but it's not that the DIRECT guys are wrong too.
if you think hard enough, you would see mm has got its disadvantages too. in which one, would you actually feel more real? you see a girl over there, you either go plant yourself beside her and spit out an spontaneous opinion/situational opener or say 'hi, i'm...'? i believe the latter one would make you feel more real.
if a girl is not going to be interested in a relationship, then she won't anyways. and if you are a little competent, then she should be interested if she is up for it. so why not just go direct and find out if she is up for it or not?
you are different from the way you behave, the way you are, higher status that is, just imagine if you were nicolas cage, how would you have behaved, when you like a girl, would you have suppressed your emotion and faked disinterest or would jsut have let her known that you are a great catch and you are interested in her?
i also believe some gals are used to being hit on regularly, so the 'hi' may not cut it. but attraction actually depends on your energy, your attitude, your vibe. if she feels you are it, then she would open up. what you are doing here is risking yourself. you are assuming attraction.
in mm, you are not risking yourself and not assuming attraction, you are actively looking for it.
if you think hard enough, you would see mm has got its disadvantages too. in which one, would you actually feel more real? you see a girl over there, you either go plant yourself beside her and spit out an spontaneous opinion/situational opener or say 'hi, i'm...'? i believe the latter one would make you feel more real.
if a girl is not going to be interested in a relationship, then she won't anyways. and if you are a little competent, then she should be interested if she is up for it. so why not just go direct and find out if she is up for it or not?
you are different from the way you behave, the way you are, higher status that is, just imagine if you were nicolas cage, how would you have behaved, when you like a girl, would you have suppressed your emotion and faked disinterest or would jsut have let her known that you are a great catch and you are interested in her?
i also believe some gals are used to being hit on regularly, so the 'hi' may not cut it. but attraction actually depends on your energy, your attitude, your vibe. if she feels you are it, then she would open up. what you are doing here is risking yourself. you are assuming attraction.
in mm, you are not risking yourself and not assuming attraction, you are actively looking for it.
If you get your head out of your ass for a minute you will notice clearly how mystery/matador on their show are i'd say.. 90% about INNER game.
They even told one guy to STOP using a canned opener (some bs about weather)
They even told one guy to STOP using a canned opener (some bs about weather)
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This shouldn't be on a DJ forum...
daygameguy
Master Don Juan
Direct game is a style which you can use, but it should come from a place of unapologetic genuineness.schttrj said:
Direct game should be used sparingly and only if you REALLY feel like the girl looks refreshingly unique and beautiful.
Any higher valued guy, who has women in his life, would NOT go to a club and hit on every girl in a direct way. Indirect is socially acceptable and also gives you greater room to judge a girl's personality through qualification.
I'm serious, there are a lot of pretty girls who will fvck you up cuz they are fvcked up in their heads... so its MUCH better to go indirect, cuz you can change the course of your pickup very smoothly, for instance:
1. Switch from 1 target to another in a group.
2. Decide on just being friends with a girl who you chose as a target initially.
3. Have more fun interacting with people and building a social network of friends, instead of just SARGING for that 1 girlfriend.
Direct method is fine, but indirect game is something that is more powerful and essential in building a great social life.
daygameguy
Master Don Juan
Exactly.DJVladdy said:
But DJVladdy, I do stand by my personal statement on how Mystery uses a little too much canned stuff, and behaves like a robot, because I have seen his full length pickups and in all of them he used exactly same verbatim routines and even though the set thinks he is being natural, I can see how he is being a robot. But its all good and fair as long as you are congruent with what you say, and you are getting the girl, which is what ultimately matters.
daygameguy
Master Don Juan
Instead of using words like should could would, why don't you go out and practice and see what style suits you the best.schttrj said:
Mystery is far from the best PUA out there. The same goes for guys like Style or TylerDurden. All the so-called "gurus" have simply broken down female interaction to a science (which is fine, read some of my posts). But in my opinion they focus on stupid sh*t that's ultimately unnecessary to get the girl.
Women are so lacking in emotional dynamics that you can push the same buttons over and over again and be busting a load on her face in under 30 minutes. And I'm talking about almost everyone. I don't care how hot she is, or how conservative she is.
Guys like Mystery pick up women for sport. They're interested more in getting attention than they are in getting laid. Sure, his stuff works, but I can pick up a hotter chick at my local grocery store and finish her off before Mystery's even finished parking.
Women are so lacking in emotional dynamics that you can push the same buttons over and over again and be busting a load on her face in under 30 minutes. And I'm talking about almost everyone. I don't care how hot she is, or how conservative she is.
Guys like Mystery pick up women for sport. They're interested more in getting attention than they are in getting laid. Sure, his stuff works, but I can pick up a hotter chick at my local grocery store and finish her off before Mystery's even finished parking.
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Dbot.....are u kidding me? I hate to flame cool guys like u but this time u deserve it......u meant to say that u can pick up women faster, easier, in a more consistent basis than the greatest pick up artist on planet earth at this moment? Are u aware that this guy can do stuff that don juan and casanova thenselves were not able to do when they were alive? No way man, u don't know who u are talking about. U also said that there are guys better than mistery....who are they? U are nuts brother.
Solomon
Master Don Juan
Actually it's in the book "The game", Mystery lost his marbles cause one of his students was boinking his X. Mystery in the book is a hot mess.Wolf said:There are guys who could get more women such as Prince Charles back in the day, but that's a status thing obviously.
Also it is in my knowledge that neither Don Juan nor Cassanova are real so "when they were alive" kinda doesn't work.
There are guys better, such as that guy, **** what's his name, erm, the one that developed the escalation ramp. He is just ultraaaa cool, I would seriously doubt there is a woman HE couldn't get, and he isn't as fake either so that makes him better. I would say some others but seeing as we are discussing the BEST in terms of success they don't count. I forgot that guys name, but someone will surely know. He's reaaally good lol. Oh and Mystery went nuts when one of his girlfriends left him and had to go get therapy lool. Popular rumour that, but I don't know if it's true. Either way his life lacks real substance
Ohh and that guy who I said is better learnt from a guy who is even better but he was a random 5"1 guy in a club. Apparently, he would just walk in and girls were instantly looking at him and flirting with him. No name to him. Mystery has to either dress like a weirdo or open a set to get a success.
In terms of his ideology and princpls? I agree with some of them why? because hell DHVing(espeically storyteling) and Peacocking work (I was doing this before I knew what does were) however some are laughable i.e. doing magic tricks ROFL
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You have no idea if he is the "best PUA in the world". ****, there's probably a better natural in my very city right now. So don't bother chatting sh1t man...librito said:
"Mystery Method" has merit to it but those who are saying it is the only/best way are chatting bullsh1t. Like for example so of his openers and routines such as magic tricks are laughable. Try something like that in British nightclub and you're getting laughed out of the gaff.
Jusr mention one pua by name who is considered better than mistery........ u are talking about people who u say are better than him and u don't even know those guys names? How do you expect to combince somebody of what u are saying if u don't know what u are talking about? U guys are a silly joke.
daygameguy
Master Don Juan
Guys I agree on these things:
1. Mystery acts like a robot.
2. There are naturals out there with deeper personality.
BUT, he is without a doubt, the world's greatest pickup artist. Style and Mystery played in Hollywood sunset areas where I can assure you, you will find nothing less than a HB8. These places are celeb-infected areas.. filled with AMOGs who have big muscle and big cash. Mystery has played all over the world in different countries... Style even went to Bangladesh and laid the girlfriend of a huge gang member there. Mystery picked up Scott Baio's girl without any social proof, simply using his neg theory. He claims to have been with over 300 women.. and he has taught the world's greatest PUAs and RSD guys.
I mean you can hate his personality, pick on him for being a geek, but he has the MAX skills when it comes to picking up women.
1. Mystery acts like a robot.
2. There are naturals out there with deeper personality.
BUT, he is without a doubt, the world's greatest pickup artist. Style and Mystery played in Hollywood sunset areas where I can assure you, you will find nothing less than a HB8. These places are celeb-infected areas.. filled with AMOGs who have big muscle and big cash. Mystery has played all over the world in different countries... Style even went to Bangladesh and laid the girlfriend of a huge gang member there. Mystery picked up Scott Baio's girl without any social proof, simply using his neg theory. He claims to have been with over 300 women.. and he has taught the world's greatest PUAs and RSD guys.
I mean you can hate his personality, pick on him for being a geek, but he has the MAX skills when it comes to picking up women.
Mystery + others are also BUSINESS MEN as well as "PUAs". They are famous and have public identities in order to market and sell their products. There's likely to be better PUAs out there who are not celebrity-like simply because they have no desire to market and sell their "techniques" as a product, they are not in "the game" for money...it is a way of life. So why the fvck would I know their names? They are just ordinary guys with fvck loads of game.librito said:
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C&F (which sounds so gay) worked for me a little but now everything comes natural.
These dudes are getting paid to teach things that can be learned on ones own.
These dudes are getting paid to teach things that can be learned on ones own.
Here is the list of the top 3 pick up artists according to thundercatseductionlair.com in 2007.... be aware that this website is recognised as the sole authority ranking the top puas and has being ranking them since 2003. The trophy for the top pua from 2008 will be awarded later on.
1...mistery
2...style
3...afc adam
If you know more about ranking puas than this website than you can argue against the fact that mistery is ranked the number one pua at this moment....and if you are going to say that there are better than mistery at picking up women at this moment then mention the name of the guy so your argument would gain some credibility and we won't think that you are just talking feces.
1...mistery
2...style
3...afc adam
If you know more about ranking puas than this website than you can argue against the fact that mistery is ranked the number one pua at this moment....and if you are going to say that there are better than mistery at picking up women at this moment then mention the name of the guy so your argument would gain some credibility and we won't think that you are just talking feces.
Just because Mystery is famous for teaching people how to pick up women doesn't mean he's the best at it. That's like saying Will Smith is the best actor in the world just because he's one of the highest paid. But I've seen some absolutely amazing actors that are nowhere near famous.librito said:
Believe it or not there are plenty of men who can pick up women insanely well, who don't use aliases or belong to some forum or mastermind pick-up group.
Like I said, guys like Mystery have established themselves as experts because they do this for a LIVING. Can he pull more chicks than me in the club scene in LA? Probably. Can I get laid by equally hot girls in my own neighborhood with less effort? I think so. I don't have to wear any ridiculous flair either.
This isn't a race. The only guys that are actually competing are the "gurus" who think they have something to prove, but the only data they have to compare is their own.
