A notion about these famous dating gurus?

[Albanian_Alpha]

David DeAngelo, Swinggcat,etc.....they all have the same story..."I used to suck with women, but one day I got fed up with it and I decided that I would do everything neccessary to be a master with women....I spent years in figuring out what works with women and since then I slept with hundereds of women,etc."

So did they just go on the street and try to seduce women for years until they figured it out?

How do we know that they slept with hundereds of women?

I wish I could just believe them all....

 

[The Truth]

I know guys who have slept with over 50 women, but the moment they meet 1 woman they really like, they reveal that they are total AFCs!

Basically they sleep with lots of women they dont like all that much to boost their self esteem and give them some self worth.

 

[Jariel]

I think that's how everyone progresses. A couple of years ago I basically figured that I had a problem with women so I started putting myself in more situations where I'd talk to women, get to know them, learn how they tick, I practised flirting, practised dating, kissing, sex and so on. It was kinda like a crash course, but because I was determined, I got real good.

It's helpful to read and get some background knowledge as it gives you an idea why you are failing and how you can improve, but the key to making it work is applying it, adapting it and feeling comfortable with it. Proficiency with women, like all other things, comes with practice and experience.

On a side note: these gurus are marketing geniuses, so their main focus is making a product that will sell not necessarily what works! So don't take much notice of them. My path, for example, worked extremely effectively for me, but it would never sell. Neither would most people's paths to success, because it's usually a very long and difficult learning process and that's what gurus omit telling you.

 

[Reloaded]

A more important question: Who cares?

 

[KoalaKing]

The reality is that it is one thing to know of the techniques to be successful with attractive woman and another thing to apply them, so it is possible that a guy could write a book about it and the techniques worked, yet he never applied them to his own life, but says that he did, I am sure that this happens a lot of the time, even so the knowledge in these books can still help you, even if the author is lying, it is basic psychology in reality. :yes:

 

[Hadow Khan]

Just go try it out.

DD has shown me the path to success.

You'll never know if it works unless you give it a fair shot.

 

[Albanian_Alpha]

A more important question: Who cares?

Well, I want to know somehow if what these guys say is true...how do I know that they beded hundereds of women?

 

[JonJack]

Well, I want to know somehow if what these guys say is true...how do I know that they beded hundereds of women?

Why is it important? Even if they did indeed bed hundreds of women, it doesn't mean you are gonna be bedding hundreds of women too. It doesn't even mean that what worked for them will work for you. The measure of a motivator is not by the successes that they advertise. The measure of a motivator is by the successes of his/her audience. A more important question you should be asking is the percentage of their followers that actually became directly successful with women because of following what they preached.

 

[KarmaSutra]

DD has shown me the path to success.

Fvcking tool. Try thinking for yourself instead of becoming part of what booblicious calls "sheeple".

Ever see that fvcking c0cksucker Deangelo actually with a girl? Right, No. He's a friggin' homo selling his regurgitated crap over and over to the same fat nasty pricks with more money than sense.

Obviously he got your money.

 

[dreamxhenry_notAFC]

David DeAngelo, Swinggcat,etc.....they all have the same story..."I used to suck with women, but one day I got fed up with it and I decided that I would do everything neccessary to be a master with women....I spent years in figuring out what works with women and since then I slept with hundereds of women,etc."

So did they just go on the street and try to seduce women for years until they figured it out?

How do we know that they slept with hundereds of women?

I wish I could just believe them all....

Well if you read their books,then YOU would know they are telling the truth because it has facts,apply to what they say in the books to real life,then you will know if they are fake or real.

 

[jonwon]

I know guys who have slept with over 50 women, but the moment they meet 1 woman they really like, they reveal that they are total AFCs!

Basically they sleep with lots of women they dont like all that much to boost their self esteem and give them some self worth.

Not all guys, I have had way more then that figure.
I did not do it too boost self esteem, I did it because I am not shy when talking to girls I go out a lot, so if you actually do the math:

1 year, 52 weeks in a year, 2 weekends in that year that’s 104 days out on average, not forgetting holidays and other nights you go out and girls you meet from work, also x this by how long you have lived and been talking to girls, mine is around 10 years easily, so that 10 x 10 = 1000 that’s only 10% of my sex life spent to having sex with different women, only 10% that’s not a lot at all.

There are litrially 1000 on 1000 of girls you come into contact with the chances of having 10% success at sleeping with them is about normal imo, if you don’t think its normal your either:

A: Happy in a relationship and found the women who fits your ideal, Gratz to you and well done mate you are living a great thing here, never shy from love with the right girl.
B: Not getting this lvl of success and attribute some negative trait to it to make YOURSELVE FEEL BETTER, that someone is more SUCCESSFUL then you!


Learn from successful ppl and you will go far, I did, I learned from a guy who has gamed 6x that figure actually he lost count. He is a rounded guy and as no issues, he just enjoy's sex with the right girl and loves women!

Also the OP not all dating guru's had problems only affected AFC with the wrong social programming did.

Mystery did not have these hang up and is scale is higher then DD, for the true guy.

DD great to break the mould.

 

[jonwon]

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15691

by the way that is DAVID D^^

So ditching DD is ditching the DJ bible in a way.

DJ bible has all you need tbh about, you get that sussed your on the right road.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Just go try it out.

DD has shown me the path to success.

You'll never know if it works unless you give it a fair shot.

Face it, some guys don't have the fortitude to try something not knowing if its going to give them what they want the first time. They just want the magic pill as long as it is easy to swallow.

 

[Albanian_Alpha]

Why is it important? Even if they did indeed bed hundreds of women, it doesn't mean you are gonna be bedding hundreds of women too. It doesn't even mean that what worked for them will work for you. The measure of a motivator is not by the successes that they advertise. The measure of a motivator is by the successes of his/her audience. A more important question you should be asking is the percentage of their followers that actually became directly successful with women because of following what they preached.

agree with that "The measure of a motivator is by the successes of his/her audience"

 

[d9930380]

Listen to KoalaKing - He's right, it's just psychology, nothing more. The truth is women are more susceptible to it because they're more emotional, they're also more naturally better at it too.

Really though - how many girls you've slept with is absolutely no indicator how good you are with women. Being able to pull the girl you choose matters much more.

 

[spider_007]

David DeAngelo, Swinggcat,etc.....they all have the same story..."I used to suck with women, but one day I got fed up with it and I decided that I would do everything neccessary to be a master with women....I spent years in figuring out what works with women and since then I slept with hundereds of women,etc."
So did they just go on the street and try to seduce women for years until they figured it out?
How do we know that they slept with hundereds of women?
I wish I could just believe them all....

This right there is exacly why they succeded and most "sosuave" DON'T. They GOT FED UP WITH IT AND DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING ECCESSARY. lot of guys haven't reached that point yat.

it doesn't metter how many times they got layed. All it metters is if you are willing to research this stuff, and try things, untill you figure out WHAT WORKS FOR YOU


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[Boschy]

When I started applying DJ theory in real life situations, I found it was like the first day on the job after graduating from university. You go back to zero and start a long, methodical process of trying techniques, making mistakes, learning from mistakes, taking advice, finding your individuality, and making progress step by step. All the while taking on more theory, analysing your experiences, and just keeping at it. I'm currently averaging 3-4 sarging nights a week.

Most of what I try from the 'gurus' has worked to some degree, but the real trick is to keep things rolling once technique ABC has gotten your foot in the door. I'd say congruency is very important concept to master. Also, what you have to accept is the variety of possible responses from women and knowing how to deal with each one without getting flustered and emotional.

 

[Albanian_Alpha]

Most of what I try from the 'gurus' has worked to some degree, but the real trick is to keep things rolling once technique ABC has gotten your foot in the door. I'd say congruency is very important concept to master.

What do you mean by this?

 

[IsiMan84]

Using the initial methods, and then figuring out what works best for yourself after that point.

 

[Boschy]

(a) "Keeping things rolling" to me means to keep the target engaged to you. It can take a while for her to participate. Most seem to just sit back and wait for you to impress them, especially if you've gone in cold (no approach invitation). It's like playing Chess. You need to be a few steps ahead at each stage and be anticipating her moves/reactions before they happen. If you can do this, then the whole interaction will be smoother. Structure helps a lot.

(b) So congruency means to behave in a consistent manner. I asked for a phone number the other night from a girl before any attraction had been achieved. We were just talking about rational topics, then she said she had to leave, so I asked for her number. But as soon as I said it, it sounded wrong, it didn't match the tone of the convo, and we both knew it. No drama of course. There's always a chance you plant a seed in her mind that turns into something later. But yeah....there's a lot of stuff on congruency on http://www.bristollair.com/