A Message from STYLE defending the community

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Originally Posted by Style:

It's been a little while since you've heard from me. That's because I've been deep undercover in a new book. But I came up for air this week, and wanted to thank you all for the emails and photos. I also wanted to share a thought:

In the last month, something really strange has happened. The material in The Game has started seeping into pop culture.

An episode of CSI: Miami last month focused on a group of pickup artists led by a character named "Magician." These pickup artists used things like the lint opener, terms like "negs" and "sets," and lines and routines straight from The Game. When a pickup artist was murdered, a suspect who'd been setting up a rival pickup business was the chief suspect. There was even a journalist undercover in the community. It was eerie to watch because it was so close to what I'd written - except for the murder and the forensics and the journalist being female (and having a large zit on her forehead).

Meanwhile, on the WB, an episode of Sara Gilbert's show Twins revolved around a former nerd from her high school who had written a book on picking up women. He had distilled it all to a few simple rules, all taken straight from The Game (approach at an angle, demonstrate active disinterest, etc).

A lot of people saw these shows and said I should sue. Instead, I decided to write to my VIP list about it, because the shows brought up some interesting issues about the book and the mainstream response to it.

On CSI Miami, the underlying message at the end was that these pickup artists were evil people exploiting women.

On Twins, the underlying message was that nerds should stick to their own kind and not try to date out of their league.

What horrible messages - and neither of them true.

Before The Game was released, I promised myself that I wouldn't try to defend the seduction community. I'd simply tell the truth about my experiences, and people could draw their own conclusions.

However, as I did interview after interview where reporters erroneously tried to paint the community in a negative light as evil men learning how to trick and hurt women, I realized that I was going to have to defend something: And that is guys' right to learn this material.

If any of the writers of CSI attended a seminar, they wouldn't see creeps in silk shirts looking for new ways to get more notches on their bedposts. The guys I've met at seminars ARE THE NICE GUYS.
However, that hasn't been getting them anywhere. Somewhere along the path of life, many of them have picked up bad habits, social awkwardness, and a lack of confidence around women.

Why aren't they allowed to change these bad habits and start putting their best foot forward when they meet women?

People get tutored for everything else in life. If you can't do math, you get a tutor. If you want to do your job better, you take a seminar or class. Things like Sex in the City and Cosmopolitan tutor women in dealing with men, but there is no equivalent for guys. Magazines like Maxim are about desire, not improvement. The seduction community has its place, as the beginning of a self-help movement for men that's NOT new-age or emasculating. In fact, the coolest, bravest thing someone could do is recognize their weakness and work to improve it

In The Game, I outline some of the dangers and pitfalls of the seduction community. That doesn't mean that this world has nothing to offer. It just means that it should be a glorified hobby or extracurricular activity, not a way of life. It's a resource: take what you need from it, discard what you don't. Like I always told my students: The best way to meet women is to have something better to do than meet women.

No doubt shows like CSI and Twins are part of the pushback from culture to the ideas in The Game, a way to drive the genii back into the bottle. But I have a feeling the genii isn't going to go back. Society needs it too badly. Just look at all the men doing it wrong over and over, night after night.

A few people have written to me since all this exposure and asked if I was worried about the techniques in The Game being ruined. I'm not. And my next letter to you all, I'll tell you why the game remains the same.

Yours,
Neil
 

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Why aren't they allowed to change these bad habits and start putting their best foot forward when they meet women?

People get tutored for everything else in life. If you can't do math, you get a tutor. If you want to do your job better, you take a seminar or class. Things like Sex in the City and Cosmopolitan tutor women in dealing with men, but there is no equivalent for guys. Magazines like Maxim are about desire, not improvement. The seduction community has its place, as the beginning of a self-help movement for men that's NOT new-age or emasculating. In fact, the coolest, bravest thing someone could do is recognize their weakness and work to improve it

This is the most important quote.

Now go to any bookstore, Barnes and Noble, Borders etc and go to the relationship section and 95 percent of the books are for women. Everything from "He's Not Into You" "The Rules" "Dont Call That Man" etc and if you're lucky you may see one or two books for men namely Louis and Copelands 'How to Succeed With Women' and one or two others if that.
Another thing what makes a pickup artist different from any other guy that goes out and hits on women? The fact that he has a label? What gives? Im not into the PUA lifestyle but I dont see why they are ridiculed while a bunch of jocks stand around with their beers talking about womens breast.
 

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I think a lot of people who are opposed to the Game and its teachings are closet Social Darwinists, who think if someone isn't already skilled in dealing with women, then they don't deserve to date, mate and marry.
 

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you raise a damned good point.

since when is picking up chicks evil or underhanded? Hell, they wanna be picked up, or else none of this would work.
 

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Thanks for the message Style!
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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LowPlainsDrifter said:
I think a lot of people who are opposed to the Game and its teachings are closet Social Darwinists, who think if someone isn't already skilled in dealing with women, then they don't deserve to date, mate and marry.

Social Darwinists seemed to have a flawed arguement then. An animal in the wild, who has the ability to comprehend and 'think' may pick up on different ways of going about things. They may fair better in a fight because they noticed that their opponent has an injury. They may eat better because they found a nice stash of fruit or whatever and are keeping it to themselves. We as humans are able to comprehend our faults and work to fix them. Survival of the fittest? Isn't intelligence considered 'fit'?
 

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SeldomSeen said:
This is the most important quote.

Now go to any bookstore, Barnes and Noble, Borders etc and go to the relationship section and 95 percent of the books are for women. Everything from "He's Not Into You" "The Rules" "Dont Call That Man" etc and if you're lucky you may see one or two books for men namely Louis and Copelands 'How to Succeed With Women' and one or two others if that.
Another thing what makes a pickup artist different from any other guy that goes out and hits on women? The fact that he has a label? What gives? Im not into the PUA lifestyle but I dont see why they are ridiculed while a bunch of jocks stand around with their beers talking about womens breast.
you might not find books a lot of books for guys with a title like "shes not into you" or whatever, but why dont you go to other sections, like philosophy. I recently purchased "The Seducer's diary" written by soren kierkegaard in the 1800s. That book's main character makes Don Juan look bad, to tell you the truth... Everything style or mystery or whoever has come up with has been said or written in the past. "Learn to use the knowledge of the past and you will look like a genius, even when you are really just a clever borrower", thats just one of the 48 laws of power.
 
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