A girl I'm seeing who has a "boyfriend".....Need help

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I will try to make this short. Last two weeks I have been sleeping with, hanging out, and having a good time with a girl that has a boyfriend. I'm in my early thirties, she is mid twenties. She doesn't like him, she says he is blah blah blah, and tells me that she is confused and etc. She tells me she is not sleeping with him and that I am the best thing to happen to her since sliced bread. But, it's not my first rodeo. She hasn't officially broken up with him. She hasn't said much about it. Sounds to me like they are friends more than lovers. I can tell she is not attracted to him. I don't have any experience with this matter. What do I say? If anything? Do I give an ultimatum? Do I tell her to get rid of him? Say nothing? Do you think she will eventually get rid of him anyway? Say something like "I'm still single, so, as long as you have a boyfriend, sorry, can't be exclusive only to you". Because sometimes she will pry in on what I am doing with other girls.

I guess the question is; I'm getting incredible sex from this girl. Do I ruin it and ask her to get rid of him? Or keep my mouth shut and see what happens? Thanks everyone. Great forum...
 

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depends on what you want. if you want an exclusive relationship with her then obviously its not possible while she has a "boyfriend"
question is whether she wants an exclusive relationship. i'd advice you to keep your emotions in check and not get attached...dont show too much care or become clingy..and don't ask her to get rid of the other guy. that will just portray you as insecure. the fact that she still finds it necessary to remain in touch with him/not break things off with him means somewhere she's still attached. just have a good time without thinking too much
 

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No matter what you want (relationship, casual, whatever) with her, I strongly recommend being very aloof about the boyfriend situation. Don't bring it up, don't make a big deal about it if she brings it up, and generally just act like it doesn't bother you. That will most likely make her more into you.

And if she's prying whether or not other you are seeing other women, she's jealous, and getting more into you due to social proof and such.

All you have to do it keep hitting it right and otherwise keep doing what you been doing. If she wants you (and you want to be with her), you aren't going to have to wait long before she jumps ship to you.
 

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First off i seriously doubt she is not sleeping with him anymore. But thats not the issue i suppose. Thing is, if u did want a relationship, whos to say that in six months she wouldn't be telling another guy the same crap about you. Women like this often use the excuse that they are confused becuase what they really are doing is viewed as wrong by mainstream society.

Honestly, what u got going with this chick now is probably as good as it can get, anything more is asking for trouble. Of course i could be wrong but it isn't worth the risk with this chick. Always remember actions speak louder than words, holds true ESPECIALLY WITH WOMEN
 

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been in that situation a couple times, hit it a bunch of times, and leave it at that. But of course, my opinion as always is "women the objects of sex" nothing more.
 

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Ha ha, dude, I always shake my head when I see guys feeling like this. First of all, she HAS a boyfriend now. Like, she is not on a rebound, and not getting "over" someone she broke up with recently, she is STILL with the dude! lol. So if you know this upfront, you seriously WANT to make her your gf, knowing this? This almost NEVER works in the long run. As the previous poster say, she is much more likely to be doing this same thing behind your back with her next guy. A girl that openly admits cheating or that YOU screw while she is with someone else, is giving you easy ammo to just keep her in your FWB zone. There is no reason to get involved with this girl, and only screw her no more than once or twice a week, and don't talk to her other than that (don't have daily converstions and texts with her). This is a pretty good formula to keep her in your 'rotation' (of course, make sure you pound the living hell outta her, make it the best sex she's ever had, or make that your goal at least). I have successfully managed numerous rotations that included chicks as such. They KNEW what to expect from me and what NOT to expect, for the most part, they KNEW right away that I was NOT interested in a relationship with them. And you build those expectations early on. Stricly treat them as your FWB and NOTHING more, and they will get the point and play along (some may not, but it's not like you're always gonna keep them all, some may really want you for a bf and if they see you don't want that they will stop seeing you, but PLENTY of them will accept the fact that they are your fv*k buddy).

People tread you how you allow them to treat you, and you start seeing her every day and talking to her every day, she will begin to expect that all the time and any deviations will raise red flags in her and all kindsa drama will ensue. What you want is RIGHT AWAY to only see her on a very limited basis, and do not be her FRIEND and talk to her on a daily basis about random things. Be literally a f**k buddy, a FWB, but without the F lol only the benefits. haha.

I'll tell you a story about this one chick who was with her man for a long time and I randomely pulled her at a library as she sat down next to me on one of the research computers. We struck up a short conversation and I ended up with her digits and e-mail. She did not even tell me she was involved with anyone at first (I usually never ask lol). I actually e-mailed her and set up a short coffee date near my place and she wrote back saying she will be there. I never confirmed nothing, I just showed up and sure enough I was running a little late and saw her walking really fast to the place (I laughed to my self as I saw her trying to hurry up and not be late lol). I walked in a minute after her and ordered something, and leaned back in my chair and just spread my self out and stared at her for a minute or so, (lol), I was leaning back so hard I was comfortable enough for a sleeping position, probably even over did it a bit, but the "meeting" went well and she did bring up the fact that there is "someone else" but I didn't budge on it or acknowledge it, just acted as I didn't hear her. At the end of the meeting I suggested we meet up again sometime and I "cook her a little something" and she said "sure" and then started saying "but there is someone else" and I cut her off and said "I don't care, I dont' wanna know, don't tell me sh*t". She looked at me in the eyes and grabbed my elboy (I still remember lol) and said "thank you", and walked off. Honestly, I didn't even know what the hell to think (nor did I care), part of me thought I wasn't even gonna see her again, but I did follow through and she surely agreed to come over. Let's just say that she fvc*ed like an animal and let all of her obvious sexual frustration out. I would meet her maybe once every three weeks, or maybe once a month, just to fv*k, NOTHIGN else, and eventually she would ask me "oh wow, I wonder how many other girls you bring to this room" and I would just laugh and obviously not answer, and then one day she straight up asked "so, how many other girls do you bring here, really, it must be a lot" and I looked at her and honestly just cracked up, I looked at her and laughed and then she said "you're right, I'm sorry, I shouldnt' be saying anything, OBVIOUSLY" and I just said "hahaha". So do NOT falll for her little tests when she asks you about other girls when SHE is obviously cheating on her dude.

Ohhh, and just so I don't forget, after a while we just fell out of contact, I changed numbers and YEARS later I found her number and e-mail while cleaning out some old sh*t, and I called just for sh*ts and giggles and number was no longer the same, and I sent an e-mail and trashed the paper (not really expecting her to write back), well she DID write back and asked to meet me at the exact library that we had met YEARS ago! LOL... I actually went and met up with her, and her and dad guy had broken up a long time ago. But get this, the things with me and her were totally different. When I met her, she seemed like this shy chick and sex was just crazy 'cuase I was the dominant one just screwing her brains out. It was just raelly good. Well, when I met her at the library again, she just seemed way DIFFERENT, like she seemed like one of those typical attention who*es who goes to clubs and dresses sl*tty and all this (not that their is anything wrong with it, but while I was having her as one of my f*ck friends, she was just very different). I actually asked her about this and about her change (it was drastic to me), and she actually said taht nothign has changed. She was "always been like" this, but the fact that she was "in a relationship" while screwing me made it a little more "taboo" and obviously she said she was more shy and quiet and "nice" because of that fact. It was somethign "she wasn't supposed to be doing", but now that she is single she can act like her self around me. She invited me to a club with one of her girfriends that night and I couldn't make it because of different plans. I texted her a week later (I still wanted NOTHIGN to do with her as far as actually "dating" her lol, and I think she picked up on that), and she didn't respond back and that was the end of that one. But keep in mind, the sex with her may be so good because it's "not supposed" to be happening and you guys are both excited about it. People build emotional connections when it's sort of "them against the world" situation, which you kinda have right now.

What you have now is almost ideal, almost, because you are seeing her too often. Drop it down to once a week and do NOT talk to her on days you don't see her, and go get other girls to see on different days. If you end up meeting a girl that you like enough and that SHE ALSO LIKES YOU ENOUGH to want to be with you and you alone (and she is not in a relationship when you pull her lol, ironic I know, but it is what it is and we have to look out for our selves) THEN you will slowly start to automatically eliminate this other girls. If you like a girl enough, and SHE ALSO likes you enough that she makes you her only guy, you will find reasons to slowly start getting rid of the other girls in your rotation and put them on "waivers" so that other teams can pick them up lol. Just make sure you are the "defaut" guy by actually making it your goal to be the best sex she has ever had and then even if the thing with your girl doesnt' work out, you know you will still have other girls eventually come back around for more action. I've had girls I screw, they get a boyfriend, I dont' hear from them for a few monhts or even a few years sometimes, and they brake up, and I am getting a call or text or e-mail lol. and then she gets another boyfriend and the same pattern happens, and again in a few months she calls again lol ETC. ETC. ETC. and on and on and on it goes, no joke lol, kinda funny but makes your job easier. And on top of all of that when you KNOW you have these options it makes you that much more confident and makes you have NO FEAR when going out and picking up new girls everywhere you go.
 

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sexysuave,


Thanks man. That helps a lot. One thing I want to ask you, would you tell her, or imply that "when the right girl who comes along who wants to be with me" that I will get rid of her? Kinda like "Sorry, but if I meet someone who I like, we have to stop this?" I am single so I want her to know that she is not that important to that of a future girlfriend. Second, will she want something more soon? I'm kinda worried that she is getting heavily attached. Do they get attached to a point where she may break it off with her boyfriend? She texts me all the time, wants to see me almost every night, which I have so far successfuly avoided this week. Do you think she will break up with him? And how will I know?

Thanks very much for the long response.
 

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Thundernuts said:
First off i seriously doubt she is not sleeping with him anymore. But thats not the issue i suppose. Thing is, if u did want a relationship, whos to say that in six months she wouldn't be telling another guy the same crap about you. Women like this often use the excuse that they are confused becuase what they really are doing is viewed as wrong by mainstream society.

Honestly, what u got going with this chick now is probably as good as it can get, anything more is asking for trouble. Of course i could be wrong but it isn't worth the risk with this chick. Always remember actions speak louder than words, holds true ESPECIALLY WITH WOMEN

Wise words from this kid.

Look this chick likes you because you are the anti-bf. She just wants to have some fun and not have to deal with the other shiat.

Now if you try and become her dude, she will eventually be cheating on you with some other guy who just phucks her and see's her for the slvt she is...



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sexysuave,


Thanks man. That helps a lot. One thing I want to ask you, would you tell her, or imply that "when the right girl who comes along who wants to be with me" that I will get rid of her? Kinda like "Sorry, but if I meet someone who I like, we have to stop this?" I am single so I want her to know that she is not that important to that of a future girlfriend. Second, will she want something more soon? I'm kinda worried that she is getting heavily attached. Do they get attached to a point where she may break it off with her boyfriend? She texts me all the time, wants to see me almost every night, which I have so far successfuly avoided this week. Do you think she will break up with him? And how will I know?

Thanks very much for the long response.

Good question. But the answer is no, you don't have to imply that or tell her that. Your ACTIONS will already tell her that if you do what I tell you (see her once a week, twice MAX, and DO NOT talk to her on days when you don't see her, AT ALL). Pretty much, set a time and day when you want her to come over, or go to a hotel, wherever it may be that you guys bump uglies. Do not talk to her until it is time to see her. This worked out pretty good for me with A LOT of girls. If you only see her and talk to her once a week (when you fvck her) she will not have enough contact with you to develop very strong feelings, so that's the benefit of it, but she is still attracted enough to keep having sex with you (make sure it's sure good!!)

Now your situation is a bit scary now because it sounds like she's at that point where she is already VERY serious about you or close to it. She may or may not leave her boyfriend (but she already left him emotionally long time ago, but the positive for you is that he is still putting up with her everyday drama and bull**** while you just get the p**sy :whistle: ), and at this point it's too late to undo eveything you've done so far. So your best bet now is to only see her once a week, and DO NOT talk to her on any other days or even on that day. Remember, when someone calls or texts you, you are NOT obligated to respond! You are not obligated to do anything you don't wanna do, so whatever you do, don't talk to her on those days. The ONLY time you can say something is just to tell her "look, I"m kinda busy, but we have our date at "my house" "hotel" "motel" "your parents basement" on friday at 06:00 PM, I'll see you then!! kinda busy in the meantime though!!" And leave it at that!! (is there a small risk that you lose her? of course! but it's worth it at this point, so don't sweat it too much if she gets mad, chances are, she is probably gonna show up at 06:00 to meet you right when you guys agreed to meet.

Also, the benefit of doing this is, it will give her time to talk to/ see her boyfriend more, and postpone the inevitable (their breakup). This way, she will still keep him around as the provider and the source that she can go to to vent and ***** and moan and nag and suck all of his energy, while you meet her ONCE a week and just screw her brains and peace out :cool: . She will start to think of you less (outta sight outta mind), but you still have enough rapport built up with her that you can keep seeing her once a week (later you wanna change this to once every two weeks, or maybe once a month, as you will probably have more girls). You'd be surprised what kinda rotation you can build by doing this with mannyyy girls (they don't have to have boyfriends OBVIOUSLY lol, dont' get me wrong, do the exactly same thing with single girls.) ..

Oh, and if it comes down to it and she SAYS something, then YES, you can tell her "I am NOT looking for a relationship, sorry", and leave it at that. And yes, there is a chance that she "may want something more", and at that point once again you will have to make it VERY CLEAR, that you DON'T want anything more. I have had girls that I seee only once a month or even once every two months, and every now and then, they will start to bring up the talk, "I've been thinking, how do you feel about me, would you ever see us together, bla bla bla bla" and I honestly shut that down RIGHT AWAY. I have used this exact speach (as far as I can remember, or almost exact): "Look, you and I will NEVER be together, ok? I have a good time with you, and think you're fun and cool to hang out with (and we only f*ck ahahah), but I WILL NEVER be in a relationship with you, I just want you to make sure you understand that. No matter what happens with us, we will never live together, we will never be married, we will never be in a relationship" I have used that EXACT speech on a few girls and NOT ONE OF THEM called it quits with me lol. Ironically, they would actually try to defend them selves saying "oh no, I wasn't implying that I WANTED that, I was just asking how would YOU feel about it, I would NEVER wanna live with you or anythign like that (haha RIGHTTT)" ahahah so you'd be surprised as they get butt hurt and try to change their story as if they didn't imply they wanted something more. But yeah, most of them will actually RESPECT this, especially the good looking ones. I mean think about it, how many guys tell 'em sh*t like that? lol, not too many bro. They won't tell you 'hey, I respect you more for that" but they will prove it with their actions when they keep fvcking you and eagerly schedule another "date" with you down the line lol.

I remember a few of my "dates" that I cancelled on because I had somethign else come up, and one of them was set for like a month and a half in advance. We were supposed to meet at a hotel half way in between us (about a half hour drive half way). I honestly didn't hear ANYTHING from her at all but i KNEW that she would be showing up, and what do you know, that thursday night (we were on for friday night), she sends me a text message saying "we're still on for tomorrow, right?" LOL... I wrote her back and told her that something has come up and she got PRETTY UPSET over it ahaha, but that just means that she was really looking forward to it. Usually I dont' ask them much about their every day lives especially if they're involved with someone. Idont' talk about that and try not to for the most part. If we're laying down or whatever we might joke around about small stuff and she may tell me some of her ambitions and goals and what not and light stuff like that, but you dont' want to be laying there after you have railed her for an hour and be like "sooo, how's everything with your boyfriend" ahahahah you know??

But do be careful, there is a limit where this can become unhealthy if you completely let it take over your life (I'm not gonna lie, I crossed the line sometimes, and there were times where I was involved with so many girls I didn' teven have enough time to see them, I was forgetting names, didnt' remember where I met or saw the girls, mixed the damn stories up,the things they tell me about them selves obviously I cound't remember it all because of so many girls, and then kept "picking up" on new ones anywhere I went lol). You HAVE to have a balance. So set some goals for your self. Dedicate time for your Job, your business, your friends, working out, and then also dedicate some time for girls of course. And always be trying to improve your self. I've done toastmasters for a long time to become an expert on public speakign and also have to do public speaking almost every day at work in my position. I've read HUNDREDS of books, and not just self improvement, I try to mix it up with fiction as well, and read for fun. I do audio books as well, while driving to and from work, and also listen to business programs on audio. The more you get involved in life and set REALISTIC goals, the better you feel and you don't have time to think about some of the ugliness of life that can hold a lot of people back. People get in depression, they get married and think "what else is there to life". All they do is go to work, go home to their wife, and repeat, repeat, repeat. Before they got married they had goals, like "get married" and after that, there are NO goals. Well ,this causes problems, as I know even some of my married friedns that have hit this rut and some of them are getting a divorce. They are not the same guy anymore and that's partially because of just letting life get to them rather than staying active, setting goals, being involved, working towards something!! When you stop working towards something, you DIE! Even if you're only in your 20s and 30s, lol, deep down inside you die and become a shell of your self. Don't let this get you down, get involved, always be working towards something, get more schooling, meet more girls, if you have a girlfriend go do fun sh*t with her, dont' lose everything else you had just because of her...

Anyway, I'm getting way off topic now.. my bad lol.. but I'm being serious, follow the above advice with that girl and let me know was up. Always feel free to hit me up on PM if you wanna talk privately or anything, and GOOD LUCK!
 

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HUH? did you change your mind all of a sudden?

She is with him because she wants to be with him. You don't "make" someone leave the other person man. You actually still want this chick to be your girlfriend??????????? Knowing that she HAS a bf and is screwing both of you guys at the same time?

You're asking for trouble here. I would advise against "making" her leave her boyfriend,, re-read everyone's posts here.
 

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Yeah man, change of heart. What is your advice (if I were to go down to this horrible path). Not say anything? Pull away? Ultimatum? Help a brother out man.
 

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ive been in your shoes before man, the best thing to do is to not get attached. you're saving yourself a boatload of trouble because girls like this are nothing but trouble. you arent going to change her.

keep the status quo. its hard, i know.
 

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Tyler2535 said:
Yeah man, change of heart. What is your advice (if I were to go down to this horrible path). Not say anything? Pull away? Ultimatum? Help a brother out man.
seems you've already let the gates of emotions open up for this gal. and its natural for this to happen. we always go after the forbidden fruit. but telling her to leave him will only transfer power to her. she will know she has you in her palms. the only thing you can do is check her IL from time to time and once she's addicted to your care/attention/love/body, cut the supply. when you cut the supply she'll come running to you & you'll have the leverage and can make her comply to you. at that point you can demand exclusivity if that's what you want. always negotiate from a position of strength. asking/requesting/begging/yelling will just lower her attraction.

the catch is she has to be addicted to you.
 

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You are absolutely delusional if you think this girl won't eventually do the same thing to you.

This girl is a wh0re. Yet your ego and narcissism have convinced you that a cigar is not a cigar in this case, that she really likes you for YOU.

Her "feelings" at this time may be genuine - but they are not about YOU. And as soon as she really "gets" you, things will change.
 

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Yeah man, change of heart. What is your advice (if I were to go down to this horrible path). Not say anything? Pull away? Ultimatum? Help a brother out man.
Wow, interesting. I've actually never been in your shoes so it's a bit hard for me grasp. I've done "picked up" plenty of girls who were involved with a guy, but never once did I after a few weeks think "hmmm, p**sy's good, I wanna make her break up with her dude". Actually, for me personally, one of my biggest fears was that some of these girls would break up with their dude specifically because of me, hence my advice to you to actually tell her that YOU DON"T want a relationship with her if she ever starts bringing it up and to only see her once a week at most and not talk to her other than that.

You must not have been with a lot of girls yet, if you're developing feelings for a girl who's screwing you behind your boyfriends back. Before I say anything else, just to remind you once again, you are GETTING the p**sy, and NOT having to deal with bullsh*t of this cheating slvt or any of her drama! You are pretty much already getting the best you'll ever get from this girl. If you "make" her break up with her dude and take her, first of all, the sex will probably get slighly worse (if you read my examples, sometimes the sex is this good for her because she's "not supposed to be doing it", and once you're her little puppy it won't be the same anymore, she won't have that feeling of "excitement" and she will probably respect you LESS for wanting her despite doing all of these bad things to her boyfriend).

It's kinda like guys who stay with girls AFTER they find out that the girl has cheated on them. The guy is probably feeling "ok, I 'forgave' her cheating, so now she's gonna be really greatful and LOVE ME even MORE, because I"m so 'nice' and love her so much that I forgave her for slurping on cvcks behind my back". HOWEVER, in reality, what happens is the opposite. The girl actually doesn't want to feel like this sometimes, but to her, she starts feeling disrespect for her "man". He FORGAVE her something that a guy should NEVER forgive a girl for. Some other dude fvcked her, and he forgave her. Chances are, she is gonna start to feel resentment BECAUSE of the forgiveness. She will respect him less and less and walk all over him, and since she already knows she can get away with it, will probably cheat again. I mean, waht's the worse that can happen, the p*ssy boy will take her back!!

Having said ALLLLLL that, I'll reluctantly tell you what you're asking for. But once again, your best bet would be to just fvck this girl once a week or once every two weeks and not talk to her otherwise and start seeing like 4 or 5 other girls as well. And THEN if you still feel the same about this girl (you won't), well, if you do you still shouldn't make her your GF lol, it's just wrong, i just can't picture it.. she's a hoe and is currently cheating on her dude.. fvck her man...

Ok, sooooo, NO, you should not ask her right now to do anything. This would be just plain stupid. You are losing all your power and REWARDING her bad behavior towards her boyfriend by making her your GF. This would just be horrible, but I have this bad feeling that you already tried :kick: .

Here is the thing, if you keep seeing her, and IF she starts liking you so much to WANT TO BE your gf (did you forget the golden rule that SHE has to be the one asking for a relationship, I mean this is true even with SINGLE girls once you're seeing them, you want HER to bring up relationship talk, NOT YOU, you want her interest level to be high enough to want it and bring it up, and for CHRISTS SAKE, this is a girl who already has another bf and is fvcking you behind his back, and you wanna "beg" this girl for a relationship, and she's NOT the one bringing it up????? ----- read taht again dude, do you see how pathetic and ridiculous that sounds/?? just honest, be honest with your self, do you SEE how bad that sounds??).. anyway, IF she starts liking you so much taht she WANTS TO BE your gf, SHE WILL BE THE ONE to start bring up relationship talk. So there is your answer, after me struggling to try to convince you to stay off the path for doom. So no, don't demand this from her, and don't ask her to leave the dude, and don't ask her for a relationship.. SHE HAS TO START talking about it first... and at this point, (oh God), IF YOU still want that, you probably want to talk about her transgressions with her current/old bf and see what she thinks would be different with you... she's about 20 times as likely to cheat on you after all of this has happened.... Once again, re-read everyone's posts in here, including mine... I told you some of these girls would eventually start relationship questions with ME, not the other way around... she's supposed to be whipped over you, NOT the other way around.. And even if she does, you wanna TURN HER DOWN, you never even want to accept HER advances!! and you especially don't want to actually ASK HER FOR THE RELATIONSHIP..... WAKE UP BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do let us know what happened... You can be a good example for future instances, and whatever you do, be honest with us, this is a damn forum and no one really knows who you are, so tell us the truth so that guys in the future can learn from this...
 
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