A friendly reminder: Just walk away

[DreamAgain]

It’s the mindset behind that. He’s only doing that because she said no. Had she said yes and met up he would still be all up in her DM’s to get laid again.

This means he still values sex which is something all women know is valuable. Women offer more value than sex whether that’s attention or social value.

If I stop talking to a woman it’s because I don’t want to talk to her. Not because I was rejected for sex.

You know, maybe I would have just had the conversation. I would have tried to escalate if she presented signs that I could do it, or I would chat 30-45 minutes over the drink, say hey thanks for catching up but I have to go, and be on my merry way.

But, I certainly don't want to be a phone pen-pal...that's pretty much the lowest rung of orbiter you can be.

 

[manfrombelow]

Whenever a woman contacts you out of the blue, always assume she wants you (be it true or not) and thus proceed to offer her the DATE invitation. If she agrees, good. If she doesn't, cut it short, excuse yourself and leave the conversation.

(This is a precious life-saving lesson I learned from my online mentor Corey Wayne, God bless him).

Any attempt to prolong an on-the-phone conversation with a woman that you're not asking to meet in real life is pointless, meaningless, stupid, and a total waste of time.

So, all in all, I repeat one more time that OP did it right 100%.

 

[Slowhandluke]

If I stop talking to a woman it’s because I don’t want to talk to her. Not because I was rejected for sex.

I stop talking to a girl because I'm busy with my goals and I truly forget about her. No hard feelings, but I got a life and she is on board the "slow hand Luke train" or she's not. It's like male acquaintances... sometimes they are there, sometimes they aren't. I just don't care enough about them. If they want to get a drink and chill. Cool, if I have time I'll join. If not, maybe later.

These people are not my true friends who I know really care for my well being, and I care for them. It is what it is, but at the end of the day, playing games does not increase my chances of success. Hence, the people playing games only decrease their own chance.

Ultimately, they might become close friends, but until then, it's just "people I know".

Women who checks up on you every "now and then" usually want to see if u have increases ur smv, gotten a new job, etc..etc.. it's usually not that they care for you, they are doing an interview to see if you are worth their time to hang out now since you weren't last time.

Trust me if u bought a new car, gotten a new job, gotten a better social life (because you got better looking and/or more sociable, or more wealthy); she would call back.

It's the game. But she interviews, you also interview her. Its a 2 way street. For example, if my life improved and now she wants to hang out, in the back of mind, I know she will not be a reliable friend. She has to prove herself - Sex, not hangout with her friends, etc.. she has to create a bond with me while I know she could be fickle. Given even time and sacrifices on her side, she ultimately could be someone I can trust. It will be hard though.

 

[Velasco]

So, all in all, I repeat one more time that OP did it right 100%.

How many hot girls are you fvcking?

 

[manfrombelow]

How many hot girls are you fvcking?

None, I have been masturbating ever since.

 

[Velasco]

None, I have been masturbating ever since

Thanks for being honest

 

[Toddz]

The OP really couldn't have played it better in this case.

She pinged him for attention and he immediately tested her interest level by asking her out.

She didn't follow through which is Low Interest. Had she followed through in meeting for drinks it's High Interest.

Interest Level is all that it boils down to here. The OP now doesn't have to waste anymore time gauging her.

 

[DreamAgain]

The OP really couldn't have played it better in this case.

She pinged him for attention and he immediately tested her interest level by asking her out.

She didn't follow through which is Low Interest. Had she followed through in meeting for drinks it's High Interest.

Interest Level is all that it boils down to here. The OP now doesn't have to waste anymore time gauging her.

This site would never exist if guys only interacted with women who have high interest.

Things like game, what should I text her, how many days should I wait before setting up another date, should I be aloof, blah blah blah.

All mechanisms that can slightly rise low interest and maybe get you a better outcome if the wind is blowing in your favor that day.

But most times it is a waste of time and energy better suited to spend time with women where you don't have to worry about any of this.

When I was around a high interest woman (albeit an HB6), I literally had to do nothing and she was all over me, laughing at all my bad jokes, making me feel like a king.

The level of HB you attract (i.e. get high interest from) is a reflection of your own SMV.

The conclusion from this is that I need to improve myself to get better girls. I never get tilted from rejection anymore, it's just a sign I didn't improve enough to level up to where I should be.

 

[IKO69]

I like and agree with some of the comments so there isn't really much to say. You did what you were supposed to do. There is nothing left for a man to do when a woman is not compliant, flakey, ignores you, etc. You think you can raise interest but you can't for the simple fact if there was any interest she wouldn't be doing that in the first place. You let her go and move on - you'll meet other women.

 

[Velasco]

All mechanisms that can slightly rise low interest and maybe get you a better outcome if the wind is blowing in your favor that day.

Hot girls are in high demand. Why most of the time with them it'll be medium interest. No matter how much you self improve.

Mid girls aren't. So with them it will sometimes be too easy to fvck them. I talked some about this in this thread:

Once You Date A High Interest Girl You can Never Go Back

Found a good comment on the difference between interest from hot girls and girls that are a couple of points below your smv.

www.sosuave.net

 

[Toddz]

This site would never exist if guys only interacted with women who have high interest.

Things like game, what should I text her, how many days should I wait before setting up another date, should I be aloof, blah blah blah.

All mechanisms that can slightly rise low interest and maybe get you a better outcome if the wind is blowing in your favor that day.

But most times it is a waste of time and energy better suited to spend time with women where you don't have to worry about any of this.

When I was around a high interest woman (albeit an HB6), I literally had to do nothing and she was all over me, laughing at all my bad jokes, making me feel like a king.

The level of HB you attract (i.e. get high interest from) is a reflection of your own SMV.

The conclusion from this is that I need to improve myself to get better girls. I never get tilted from rejection anymore, it's just a sign I didn't improve enough to level up to where I should be.

Interest Level is all that it comes down to here and with every interaction with women.

Women that are High Interest make it easy for you. Women that are Low Interest are the ones that leave you guessing, wondering, and scratching your head about.

The most important thing is for men to only engage in women that are High Interest in them. If she's not a hell yes for you, then she should be a hell no for you. Why would you want to be involved with a woman who's not into or on the fence about you?

 

[Bigpapa]

Hot girls are in high demand. Why most of the time with them it'll be medium interest. No matter how much you self improve.

Mid girls aren't. So with them it will sometimes be too easy to fvck them. I talked some about this in this thread:

Once You Date A High Interest Girl You can Never Go Back

Found a good comment on the difference between interest from hot girls and girls that are a couple of points below your smv.

www.sosuave.net

you know , I am glad that guys are mixing medium interest with no interest

More women for guys who do get it

I also believe that if you work for your lay , you will appreciate it way more . And women know this

 

[Skyline]

Modern women offer zero value outside of sex.

You have a lot to learn if you think that.

Do you really think women are completely oblivious to men wanting to have sex with them? A low value man being up front about everything will just filter themselves out. You would be no different than all the other men sending DM’s praying to god she says yes and then get hurt when she says no or ignores you.

I see a lot of red piller’s here since I came back but being a DJ is significantly better in pretty much every aspect of life.

True indifference is something a lot of you should learn and it starts with yourselves.

 

[Skyline]

You know, maybe I would have just had the conversation. I would have tried to escalate if she presented signs that I could do it, or I would chat 30-45 minutes over the drink, say hey thanks for catching up but I have to go, and be on my merry way.

But, I certainly don't want to be a phone pen-pal...that's pretty much the lowest rung of orbiter you can be.

Have you ever wanted something so bad and then your friend/sibling got it? Then they start rubbing it in your face?

If you wanted to get a drink and have a conversation with no sex then that’s fine. You care about sex so much that it messes up your chances for it.

Women get hit up all of the time. If she’s willing to meet up with you for drinks, why not just maintain your frame and have sex some other time? What is the rush? Do you want sex that badly? If so, that just reeks of desperation.

What if I told you a high interest woman will wait?(if interest isn’t high then it’s no interest btw). I’m not saying to wait a ridiculously long time but she will wait. That’s how women begin to chase you because ‘why isn’t he wanting sex!?!?’

Nobody is saying you have to message a woman 24/7 regardless if she answers back. That’s really on you whether you do that or not. Women can be orbiters just as easy as men can…

 

[Chuck Taylor]

You have a lot to learn if you think that.

Do you really think women are completely oblivious to men wanting to have sex with them?

Women being of no value outside the bedroom has nothing to do with 'women being oblivious to men wanting to sleep with them.'

I suppose that, if they could cook, that would be something of value, but the modern chick can't even do that.

 

[Skyline]

Women being of no value outside the bedroom has nothing to do with 'women being oblivious to men wanting to sleep with them.'

I suppose that, if they could cook, that would be something of value, but the modern chick can't even do that.

Modern women can definitely cook.

You’re just too obsessed about sex and jadded to meet any women like this.

This is a good thing though, men like me walk circles around men like you.

 

[Bethatsocialguy]

Girls want attention. The biggest power a guy has is the ability to walk away

 

[Who Dares Win]

I recently got a text out of the blue from an HB8 that I was not expecting. She wasn't complying, being flaky, so I simply stopped responding and went no contact covertly.

I think about 2 months passed, and I got the typical "hey how are you?" template text.

I could have ignored this, but I decided to play ball because I was bored and felt like it that day.

I replied with the simple good, you? And some additional questions started on her end, with smiley faces and all that stuff, which any rational person would indicate as signs of interest.

I honestly could not be bothered to answer all these questions via text, so I said you know what, let's meet and catch up over a drink.

She said hey sure I'll call you when I get home to plan it out.

And...I of course didn't get the call.

Of course, her only intention is to see if I would act beta and supplicate to her, which I kind of did by asking her for a drink, but I figured someone asking all these questions would be interested to here some details rather than a generic "good".

I did not send her a message being butthurt, I did not call her, I did not do sh1t except delete the number and went and had a good workout.

I will not be responding to her messages, if they ever come, or her calls, if they ever come. I have simply walked away like a cowboy riding off into the sunset.

Remember fellas, just walk away, don't get tilted by these HB's. The best response 99% of the time is no response.

Most of us can relate, we all felt for that when we were young and we all moved to your zero investment attitude when we got older.

Personally when cases like this happen I opt for an other approach which is the non sense spam approach.

Given that the girl is lost (or never taken) there is no risk.

When they send their test the water message I reply the same way you do except that when they go with the other questions they either get non sense answers or non sense smiley faces.

She: "hey long time no see, how are you"?

Me: "I'm good thanks, what about you"?

She: "oh I've been so busy last weeks but now can finally go out again" <-----see the trap to trick you into asking her out

Me: "I ain't mad, I just think it's ****ed up you don't answer fans"

She: "my fans? who are my fans, you?"

Me: "If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your concert you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew"

She: "what concert? you saw me at X concert"?

Me: "if you had one shot, one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted in one moment, would you capture it or let it slip"?

She: "I dont understand what you're talking about?"

Then I go silent...she will send a further texts and will get no reply, then she will screenshot it to her friends and she will find out I was just quoting enimen songs...

Then she will write again with her hamster spinning, making jokes about eminem and it will end like this.

Me: "what is love"?

She: "randon ******** answer"

Me: "baby dont hurt me papapa papa papa".

 

[DreamAgain]

Have you ever wanted something so bad and then your friend/sibling got it? Then they start rubbing it in your face?

If you wanted to get a drink and have a conversation with no sex then that’s fine. You care about sex so much that it messes up your chances for it.

Women get hit up all of the time. If she’s willing to meet up with you for drinks, why not just maintain your frame and have sex some other time? What is the rush? Do you want sex that badly? If so, that just reeks of desperation.

What if I told you a high interest woman will wait?(if interest isn’t high then it’s no interest btw). I’m not saying to wait a ridiculously long time but she will wait. That’s how women begin to chase you because ‘why isn’t he wanting sex!?!?’

Nobody is saying you have to message a woman 24/7 regardless if she answers back. That’s really on you whether you do that or not. Women can be orbiters just as easy as men can…

What are you talking about?

Maybe I get bored during the conversation and decide just to politely cut it short and leave. Maybe she doesn't look as attractive as she was before and I decide to do nothing. Maybe I decide to escalate if she is giving me indicators of interest.

The point is, I am putting myself in the driver's seat by moving the frame from pen-pal texting buddy ego-booster to an in person scenario.

From her point of view, maybe I start making jokes about her being absent for months and then randomly hitting me up. Maybe I ridicule her for some other relationship not working out. She is taking a risk by meeting me face to face. But if her interest in me is high enough, she is willing to comply with my request and see what happens.

Of course I wouldn't do any of this, because I wouldn't stoop that low. But she is aware that it is a card to be played because her previous behavior was bad. She is giving up her leverage and (current) position of power by meeting with me.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I recently got a text out of the blue from an HB8 that I was not expecting. She wasn't complying, being flaky, so I simply stopped responding and went no contact covertly.

I think about 2 months passed, and I got the typical "hey how are you?" template text.

I could have ignored this, but I decided to play ball because I was bored and felt like it that day.

I replied with the simple good, you? And some additional questions started on her end, with smiley faces and all that stuff, which any rational person would indicate as signs of interest.

I honestly could not be bothered to answer all these questions via text, so I said you know what, let's meet and catch up over a drink.

She said hey sure I'll call you when I get home to plan it out.

And...I of course didn't get the call.

Of course, her only intention is to see if I would act beta and supplicate to her, which I kind of did by asking her for a drink, but I figured someone asking all these questions would be interested to here some details rather than a generic "good".

I did not send her a message being butthurt, I did not call her, I did not do sh1t except delete the number and went and had a good workout.

I will not be responding to her messages, if they ever come, or her calls, if they ever come. I have simply walked away like a cowboy riding off into the sunset.

Remember fellas, just walk away, don't get tilted by these HB's. The best response 99% of the time is no response.

Nah, there was nothing beta about it. Assume the woman is interested if she reaches out and try to set up a meet. It costs nothing and it will work in your favor more often than not. If it doesn't happen then you haven't lost anything because you had nothing to begin with.

Men with options never worry about if they do something that looks beta or looks alpha, they only focus on what works.

People need to understand there is no single thing that is going to work in your favor 100% of the the time, all you can do is play the highest percentage plays you can and move on.