*A few things I've learned...*

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I typically just read this website from time to time, just to see what's up and how other guys are handling their situations. I like learning from you all, and in the end we all benefit one way or another.

I consider myself pretty good with women, I don't have too many insecurities and I pretty much just have fun, control my emotions, and focus on my work.

Somehow I've noticed that when you're focused on other things, such as doing your college work or focusing on your career, the women somehow gravitate towards you. It's kinda funny really, it just happens. I can't really explain it.

But anyways, a few things I've learned that I wanted to share and get some feedback on. These are just off the top of my head:


1) If you got nothing going for yourself, women won't be too interested. If you're just getting by in life and doing nothing, women will look at you wrongly. Even if you're a cool guy or attractive. Have something going for you! And if you don't, find something to work towards.

2) Similar to 1, focus on whatever it is you have going for you. Whether you're in college or professional school, or working, focus on that because it does matter to you. Make it a priority. And if you meet a nice girl, she'll want to be included in your life and goals.

3) Nice and good-hearted girls do exist. Ones that have actual values, won't give you any trouble, will respect you, smart, giving, act like a lady in public and ***** in the bedroom. These girls do exist. They're just rare. These are the quality women. They're out there somewhere.

4) Avoid girls that drink too much and spend too many nights a week going out to bars. Nothing good comes from this unless she's a rare specimen. Most cases, she's going to be trouble down the road.

5) Avoid girls that have essentially all male friends. If she's one of the guys and "hangs" out with them while you're seeing her, you're in for some trouble down the road. (you can mix this and 4 together in one...)

6) Be wary of girls with family issues/daddy issues. Unless she has some great character persona, she's likely carrying a lot of baggage.

7) If she has an ex-boyfriend prying into her life, this is never a good sign. Be on guard. That's all I can say about that...

8) Use your instincts and gut feelings. They're often more right than wrong.

9) If you think it's time to walk away from a girl because something isn't right, you're getting a bad vibe from her, things aren't working, or she has done something to disrespect you, do it. Leave her in the wind. No contact until she yields to you. Women often can take men for granted and they never think they have the balls to walk away or reject them because the woman thinks she has the man. Show her she doesn't have you anymore. This is one power we have but rarely ever use. It's a nuclear option, keep it on the table, and use it when you need to. It'll make you feel bad for going through with it, but you do what you gotta do for yourself. Stick to your guns. If you never hear from her again, oh well.

10) There's always a prettier/better girl. Remember this.
 

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Really great advice Papo 12.

No matter how much experience you have, it always helps to refresh these concepts because relationships have a way of wearing you down. I broke rules #4,5,7 and 8 with one recent girlfriend simply because she had such a great body and she always told me what I wanted to hear. But now I'm employing #9 and seeking #3 and #10.
 

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good stuff papo12
a few questions...
- what exactly are daddy issues here? the girl i'm with keeps emphasising ( alot) on 'u have to take care of me'. she says it a bit too much. for me these things are understood. u never say them. girls do sometimes..
but she says it a bit too much i think

- also, an ex of her pries around. and another ex of hers, shes friends with. i think its messed up, but i havnt really had any issues on that front. yet.

- i'v always had a problem with #3. in my head, i can say watever i want to t make her fit that description. or, i can find some flaws n make her fit the opposite. its subjective really. i dunno which to stick with.
 

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antonov said:
good stuff papo12
a few questions...
- what exactly are daddy issues here? the girl i'm with keeps emphasising ( alot) on 'u have to take care of me'. she says it a bit too much. for me these things are understood. u never say them. girls do sometimes..
but she says it a bit too much i think

- also, an ex of her pries around. and another ex of hers, shes friends with. i think its messed up, but i havnt really had any issues on that front. yet.

- i'v always had a problem with #3. in my head, i can say watever i want to t make her fit that description. or, i can find some flaws n make her fit the opposite. its subjective really. i dunno which to stick with.
From my experience girls with "daddy issues" or other family issues, such as messed up parents, divorce, father left them, etc tend to be a bit off the path for whatever reason. Not ALL, but many girls I have met with messy families fall into this category. They often have issues with many men, have ****ty friends, etc. They make be good people at their core, but they lack the foresight needed to conduct themselves properly.

And regarding the ex issue, remember if a girl takes you seriously she will do everything in her power to keep the ex away! Why? For fear it can destroy her new relationship with you. But yes, you haven't had issues yet but be wary...

And regarding quality women, you'll know when you meet one. It cannot be described in words but merely experienced for yourself. She'll stand out very easy compared to other girls, in a good way.
 

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Yes, the most important question to ask a girl is "Do you love your father?"

If they don't love their father they have issues with men in general. Also, even if they do love their father, if they were molested they also have the same issues with secretly hating men.

Some girls will actually keep the ex away but love to remind you that they have him as an option. Another huge warning sign of issues down the road.

Regarding #9, I think a great policy is to simply stop initiating. Answer their texts/emails but do not initiate any. Wait them out for as long as it takes for them to ask you out and to show that you mean a lot to them. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, though it's not easy to employ this strategy.
 

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Papo 12 said:
From my experience girls with "daddy issues" or other family issues, such as messed up parents, divorce, father left them, etc tend to be a bit off the path for whatever reason. Not ALL, but many girls I have met with messy families fall into this category.
For me, regarding the girls with daddy issues, every single one has resulted in being batsh!t crazy. I guess your mileage may vary, but I've officially reduced girls with any daddy issues down to completely worthless.

Btw, I think daddy issues and family issues are WAY different. Imo, any daddy issue/past is a guaranteed nutcase situation. Just speaking from experience. :kick: At least some of the family stuff can be overcome (simple trust building etc.) whereas the daddy sh!t scars 'em for life. And when I say crazy, btw, I'm not talking about occasional jealousy, or drama induced fighting, I'm talking straight up BATSH1T f**king NUTS. Controlling. Severe attempts at manipulation. Extremely detailed/planned stalking/tracking activity. Just fu%k and chuck them. They're worthless. (yes, I sound bitter about it, because it's been proven to me so many times.)



- The rest of your points are totally solid and accurate. Especially #7 and the comments you said to further describe it:

Papo 12 said:
And regarding the ex issue, remember if a girl takes you seriously she will do everything in her power to keep the ex away! Why? For fear it can destroy her new relationship with you. But yes, you haven't had issues yet but be wary...
 

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real2 said:
I had one relationship like this. The girl was molested by her step-father...

Everything in her life was going wrong, it was insane... I've never witnessed something like this, it was like life was working completely against her in every aspect...

All I wanted was some poon :woo:
Haha I hear ya man :woo: they like to rush into things too but then they come back at you with the "I can't trust anyone" speech (control to keep you exclusive, manipulation to justify possessive behavior - fu$k im a pro at this now). They are pretty counterintuitive people, it seems like every action/opinion just makes their life worse.


I had one who's dad unfortunately died of cancer when she was a young child. She claims since there wasn't a dad in the house, it lead her to being raped in the middle of the night repeatedly by a family friend that used to stay over. I believed her and all, and tried to help her deal with it.. but her mind was just so flawed and messed up that it wasn't worth it any more. I don't feel bad since I know I did everything I could (She ended up dumping me lolz)

She claimed that she didn't tell anyone cause the man threatened to kill her family's pet bird.... (she was 14 at the time). Yadda yadda bullsh!t whatever not my problem.



^ So yeah, keep in mind, daddy "issues" doesn't mean dad cheated on mom with the neighbor, or dad was on vacation "too much," or daddy touched me, it could be a 'legit' non-abusive/non-threatening reason like an unexpected death but it simply doesn't matter! ANY daddy ANYTHING = BAD. Next!!
 

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rocket87 said:
Tried to help her deal with it.. (She ended up dumping me lolz)
Yes, the "I hate you for loving me" type. They push away anyone worthwhile.
 

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bigneil said:
Yes, the "I hate you for loving me" type. They push away anyone worthwhile.
Pretty much. That one was actually my longest relationship, I felt like I had a responsibility to stay to be "there" for her and treat her right since she constantly associated with dbags, and I put up with way too much bullsh!t. I let it slide because I felt her past justified her in treating me like sh!t. (AFC days!! :cheer:)
 

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my girlfriend who had daddy issues followed me into work and trashed my office...

run away from them no matter how perfect they seem on the outside
 
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