Remember our little chat about not throwing the baby out with the bath water.......
Remember our little chat about focusing on what you want (pleasure), while ignoring what doesn't interest you....(white noise and nonsense)
A few outdated PUA concepts that need to be amended to keep up with the times ..
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Remember our little chat about focusing on what you want (pleasure), while ignoring what doesn't interest you....(white noise and nonsense)
RangerMIke
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Good stuff. As a man that dates women from late 40s to early 20s I will say that what you post is almost certainly true for women in their 20s and early 30s.
If you can't fit into slim fit clothes, you need to lose weight. There is no style that goes with fat@ss.... except maybe Hawaiian, and that only works for Pacific Islanders and Asians. A Black, White, or Latino dudes in Hawaiian clothes signals you have no style. Hawaiian shirts are only for Hawaiian themed parties, Jimmy Buffet concerts, and Halloween.
Bootcut is okay if you are wearing western style and cowboy boots. If you are going with this style then you better be prepared to spend over $1000 on a pair of high quality, custom made boots. This is the ONLY way this works.
Men really need to give SERIOUS consideration for their style, this is the biggest single thing a man can do that will improve the way a man is perceived by others. Investing in a style consultant is actually money well spent. I hired one 3 years ago and it's made a lot of difference. The dude I hired was gay... which I think worked out really well for me because you really can not trust chicks to tell you the truth... they will tend to over value brand names and cost over what actually looks good on you. Gay dudes know what looks good on men and they will be honest with you, and they will tell you what haircut looks good for what you have. If the current style does not work for you... then you should stay away from it.
Texting.... I hate it, but @cola is right, if you are going to date and seduce chicks in their 20s, you better learn how to do it, or just stick with older women... this is one of the reasons why I'm getting tired of chicks in their 20s.... I get a lot of passes from women because I just suck at texting because of my age... if you are older you can get away with ret@rded texting, but if you are in your 20s and can't to this properly, a chick will assume you can't do ANYTHING properly.
The only thing I disagree with @cola on is social media, and it's only a small deviation. Go ahead and use it, BUT don't post your fvcking life on it. What you put on social media should be minimal. Don;t be a chick and do stuff like posting your godd@mn food on it. I use Facebook A LOT to figure out what is going on with "Events" in my city, lots of low cost options and date ideas, I have made a few Facebook dates pointing to an 'event' a chick expressed interest in.
If you can't fit into slim fit clothes, you need to lose weight. There is no style that goes with fat@ss.... except maybe Hawaiian, and that only works for Pacific Islanders and Asians. A Black, White, or Latino dudes in Hawaiian clothes signals you have no style. Hawaiian shirts are only for Hawaiian themed parties, Jimmy Buffet concerts, and Halloween.
Bootcut is okay if you are wearing western style and cowboy boots. If you are going with this style then you better be prepared to spend over $1000 on a pair of high quality, custom made boots. This is the ONLY way this works.
Men really need to give SERIOUS consideration for their style, this is the biggest single thing a man can do that will improve the way a man is perceived by others. Investing in a style consultant is actually money well spent. I hired one 3 years ago and it's made a lot of difference. The dude I hired was gay... which I think worked out really well for me because you really can not trust chicks to tell you the truth... they will tend to over value brand names and cost over what actually looks good on you. Gay dudes know what looks good on men and they will be honest with you, and they will tell you what haircut looks good for what you have. If the current style does not work for you... then you should stay away from it.
Texting.... I hate it, but @cola is right, if you are going to date and seduce chicks in their 20s, you better learn how to do it, or just stick with older women... this is one of the reasons why I'm getting tired of chicks in their 20s.... I get a lot of passes from women because I just suck at texting because of my age... if you are older you can get away with ret@rded texting, but if you are in your 20s and can't to this properly, a chick will assume you can't do ANYTHING properly.
The only thing I disagree with @cola on is social media, and it's only a small deviation. Go ahead and use it, BUT don't post your fvcking life on it. What you put on social media should be minimal. Don;t be a chick and do stuff like posting your godd@mn food on it. I use Facebook A LOT to figure out what is going on with "Events" in my city, lots of low cost options and date ideas, I have made a few Facebook dates pointing to an 'event' a chick expressed interest in.
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The no calls/texting between dates is totally retarded at this stage
i've DEFINATLEY had girls lose interest by sticking to this. IT just doesn't work anymore.it's normal to message and chat on text or fb messenger, if you dont you seem like some weirdo.
i've DEFINATLEY had girls lose interest by sticking to this. IT just doesn't work anymore.it's normal to message and chat on text or fb messenger, if you dont you seem like some weirdo.
+1. When I got here I tried all the 'only text to setup dates' advice, the 'wait to text her' advice, etc. It flat out doesn't work--sure it might maintain attraction but these days you have to use text game to even remind her you were a good option when you met her because all she has all week are new options & emotions passively generated via social media. You have to compete.
Even if you're the prize, and you know you're the prize, and you've pulled 3 girls as hot or hotter than her in the past month, she has no way of knowing that. You're starting from Square 1 every time up until the point you've fvcked her.
I don't think social media's all that important--it's provider game mostly--but you have to at least have those platforms and have them convey something (mainly that you're not a serial killer or whatever) about your life and to be savvy enough to turn a Snapchat close into a phone number. Now, I still think numbers are more solid in general but it's socially acceptable to exchange Snapchat or Instagram infront of her mother, boyfriend, mother hen friends--and it's totally under the radar.
Four years ago, if you double texted girls you were a creep or desperate--these days if you don't double text girls that aren't totally sold on you, you'll probably never hear from them again. Flaking is the new norm--if you get upset or call her out, you're done.
Complain all you like, but those are the cards we're playing in 2017. That said, even the most rudimentary game makes you stand out today--strong eye contact is a new experience for a lot of girls, confident sexual escalation is a new experience for a lot of girls, a guy who refuses to be an orbiter is a new experience for a lot of girls. So it's harder to get on a girl's radar, but it's easier to stay there once you're on it.
Even if you're the prize, and you know you're the prize, and you've pulled 3 girls as hot or hotter than her in the past month, she has no way of knowing that. You're starting from Square 1 every time up until the point you've fvcked her.
I don't think social media's all that important--it's provider game mostly--but you have to at least have those platforms and have them convey something (mainly that you're not a serial killer or whatever) about your life and to be savvy enough to turn a Snapchat close into a phone number. Now, I still think numbers are more solid in general but it's socially acceptable to exchange Snapchat or Instagram infront of her mother, boyfriend, mother hen friends--and it's totally under the radar.
Four years ago, if you double texted girls you were a creep or desperate--these days if you don't double text girls that aren't totally sold on you, you'll probably never hear from them again. Flaking is the new norm--if you get upset or call her out, you're done.
Complain all you like, but those are the cards we're playing in 2017. That said, even the most rudimentary game makes you stand out today--strong eye contact is a new experience for a lot of girls, confident sexual escalation is a new experience for a lot of girls, a guy who refuses to be an orbiter is a new experience for a lot of girls. So it's harder to get on a girl's radar, but it's easier to stay there once you're on it.
So before I even started bouncing..Reykhel said:
I live around this area of baltimore known as "fed hill"
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Its literally a strip of about 9-10 bars and clubs and its literally 2 blocks from my house ..
Its an area in the city full of mid 20 somethings .. "Hipsters" and new college grads.. it's a little pricey for students, rent in the area is about 2200(That's a ton here) a month & most people have a room mates
I've lived there about 3 years.. So even before I started bouncing I've noticed a lot more couple are in clubs than it used to be.
Don't ever sleep with a drunk chick and you are sober. You can get in a lot of trouble like that.
Bible_Belt
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I respect whatever works, good for you man. I just don't think that style has the same importance everywhere. Style is for people who have money. I haven't bought clothes in years. If you live where most people are poor, trying too hard in regard to clothes just makes you stick out. The younger girls I have fvcked in recent years have mostly been broke college kids, or lived with their parents. Another younger crowd that I do well with are the hippie chicks, who also don't care how you dress. They think being a dirty farmer is cool.
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I still call my plates, I like it and they enjoy it as well. It makes things easier. I Also am not sure about the under 25 thing, don't girls who are older still participate in spinning plates?
Also, tattoos and piercings are the norm, but most girls still don't have them . And wtf are you talking about with marriage? God damn, dude I have legit 5 weddings to go to within the next 2 years, all under 28. I believe it is person dependent. You cannot say "everyone is doing this this and this" , people do not work that way.
Girls love bowling, especially if you're a savage at bowling, go do what you are good at and watch her panties drip. I've taken girls to play pool multiple times, as I have been playing for years, and have always had good results with added compliments from her.
I still believe if you do what you want, and live life on your own terms is always the way to go. Take a girl wherever you want to go, you don't have to go to a bar every damn weekend, don't you have something better to do with your life than hang out at a bar? (not directed at you cola, just the general public)
Also, tattoos and piercings are the norm, but most girls still don't have them . And wtf are you talking about with marriage? God damn, dude I have legit 5 weddings to go to within the next 2 years, all under 28. I believe it is person dependent. You cannot say "everyone is doing this this and this" , people do not work that way.
Girls love bowling, especially if you're a savage at bowling, go do what you are good at and watch her panties drip. I've taken girls to play pool multiple times, as I have been playing for years, and have always had good results with added compliments from her.
I still believe if you do what you want, and live life on your own terms is always the way to go. Take a girl wherever you want to go, you don't have to go to a bar every damn weekend, don't you have something better to do with your life than hang out at a bar? (not directed at you cola, just the general public)
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but drinking fuks with my training :S I do see how easy it would be to get a girl out for shots, thats the sad part cause I hate drinking a lot to ruin my body
lizardking82
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I will add one main thought here:
I know that a lot of guys are here so they can bang as MANY chicks as they possibly can, but I think that puts one into the quantity mode and not the quality mode. What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, as you get older, you should be able to have a clearly defined type of woman that you like in your head. What you should also have as a primary thing is a goal/several goals you're working towards. Not things you do to kill time, but things that really light your mind and heart up cause you're passionate about them. In this moment, when you have this/these thing/s, you care less about wanting to bang a lot of women.
From what I understand, there is nothing women love more than a dude who is focused on what he's doing. Never put a woman, any woman, as the most important thing in your life. In my opinion, getting women should not even be your top priority. If you haven't got something you're working towards by your mid/late twenties at the latest, you're doing it wrong. Women are not a project you can work on unless you plan on writing a book about them. They're there to entertain you with their feminine energy SO THAT you can get on your masculine even more and most importantly: so that you can use that masculine energy in ways that can further your goals and ideas and ambitions or, to put it a bit ideally, the goals of your community/city/country/the world. You should have your own amazing world of things that can stand on its own two feet regardless if you're banging one chick, several or no chick at all. The man cave is the man cave, not the man cave that collapses without a woman in it.
Personally, I text with women, sometimes I meet women, sometimes I bang women, am working towards a style of mine on the outside, but I do not even find women to be the thing that excites me the most right now. Yes, they excite me, but my work excites me quite a lot more. Being good at something, becoming better and better, the feeling of competing, the feeling or riding my bike in the fast lane in a normal day, the feeling of overtaking 10 cars in a row in a tight space when they are all waiting on the traffic light is superb to me. It fills me up with testosterone and masculine feelings and rarely does a woman ever make me feel like that.
I say have a woman type you prefer, mentally, physically, emotionally. Tolerate just a bit, not too much on the type. If you only bang chicks that your mind perceives as the best, you will only have superb sex and relationships. Quantity, in a lot of cases, does not equal quality. Go for the quality, spend less time on the women you don't really like. A lot of guys here and in the world spend time dealing with flaking and not their type women because they are on the constant escape of their own, internal self and reality. Because chasing a chick is easier than getting your ass off the bed/chair and actually start making real steps towards that goal you have in your mind. You're in coping mode where you just postpone the important things, your truest desires, by distracting yourself with these creatures you deep down know you're not even going to have much fun with. Stop doing that. Go for the women that make you *** 3 times just by thinking of them. Sex with them, I am assuring you, will be good and worth it. Time with them will probably be good and worth it, too.
My personal goal is not to **** as many women as I can. My goal is to live a happy life doing what I love doing, always striving for better results and in the meantime, having a companion that is compatible with my mental/physical sexual expectations and desire. I consider the first one to be of paramount importance and the later to be almost optional.
I know that a lot of guys are here so they can bang as MANY chicks as they possibly can, but I think that puts one into the quantity mode and not the quality mode. What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, as you get older, you should be able to have a clearly defined type of woman that you like in your head. What you should also have as a primary thing is a goal/several goals you're working towards. Not things you do to kill time, but things that really light your mind and heart up cause you're passionate about them. In this moment, when you have this/these thing/s, you care less about wanting to bang a lot of women.
From what I understand, there is nothing women love more than a dude who is focused on what he's doing. Never put a woman, any woman, as the most important thing in your life. In my opinion, getting women should not even be your top priority. If you haven't got something you're working towards by your mid/late twenties at the latest, you're doing it wrong. Women are not a project you can work on unless you plan on writing a book about them. They're there to entertain you with their feminine energy SO THAT you can get on your masculine even more and most importantly: so that you can use that masculine energy in ways that can further your goals and ideas and ambitions or, to put it a bit ideally, the goals of your community/city/country/the world. You should have your own amazing world of things that can stand on its own two feet regardless if you're banging one chick, several or no chick at all. The man cave is the man cave, not the man cave that collapses without a woman in it.
Personally, I text with women, sometimes I meet women, sometimes I bang women, am working towards a style of mine on the outside, but I do not even find women to be the thing that excites me the most right now. Yes, they excite me, but my work excites me quite a lot more. Being good at something, becoming better and better, the feeling of competing, the feeling or riding my bike in the fast lane in a normal day, the feeling of overtaking 10 cars in a row in a tight space when they are all waiting on the traffic light is superb to me. It fills me up with testosterone and masculine feelings and rarely does a woman ever make me feel like that.
I say have a woman type you prefer, mentally, physically, emotionally. Tolerate just a bit, not too much on the type. If you only bang chicks that your mind perceives as the best, you will only have superb sex and relationships. Quantity, in a lot of cases, does not equal quality. Go for the quality, spend less time on the women you don't really like. A lot of guys here and in the world spend time dealing with flaking and not their type women because they are on the constant escape of their own, internal self and reality. Because chasing a chick is easier than getting your ass off the bed/chair and actually start making real steps towards that goal you have in your mind. You're in coping mode where you just postpone the important things, your truest desires, by distracting yourself with these creatures you deep down know you're not even going to have much fun with. Stop doing that. Go for the women that make you *** 3 times just by thinking of them. Sex with them, I am assuring you, will be good and worth it. Time with them will probably be good and worth it, too.
My personal goal is not to **** as many women as I can. My goal is to live a happy life doing what I love doing, always striving for better results and in the meantime, having a companion that is compatible with my mental/physical sexual expectations and desire. I consider the first one to be of paramount importance and the later to be almost optional.
devilkingx2
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I think not texting a lot is supposed to be for guys with chronic foot in mouth syndrome who will find a way to say the wrong thing and embarrass themselves, not for smooth talking veterans
obviously if you're at the point where not talking to a girl for a little bit loses you more girls than it gets you you've gotta change your strategy
obviously if you're at the point where not talking to a girl for a little bit loses you more girls than it gets you you've gotta change your strategy
TheMonkeyKing
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Good thread concept indeed. Thoughts on the OP....
Texting only to set up dates:
Would agree to an extent. Depends on the individual woman, and still good to bear in mind that you will still be unique by contacting less than the average guy.
The old underlying presumptions still apply; if they're not meeting you and allowing escalation regularly (in between all the texty texty) you're just in orbit.
I like to mix it up nowadays: ten or twenty messages one day, three to five the next day (tapering off); two days radio silence; invite them out on the third day. Repeat.
Stop looking for LTRs under 25
"We live in a hookup culture. Casual sex is the norm. Women are spinning plates just like us these days and its a good chance she is banging multiple men..
Accept it, participate in it but keep your heart to yourself if you/she is under 25."
Pretty much agree entirely. Depending where you live, the age range might even go higher to 30, 35 or even 40. The female prerogative is not what we are taught it is - some have little or no interest in settling down or reproducing like in Disney; well, at least not until they meet the 'right guy' anyway.
The button up, with jeans and dress shoes is boring
"This was the PUA uniform in 2008. This is boring. Clothes are more fitted now and its so many more options to play with. Jeans should always be slim fit and never boot cut.
Experiment with some different styles .."
Haaa. That 'uniform' was pretty much circa 1998 where I grew up. Then, trends always come back round; though classic styles never leave. Wearing whatever makes you comfortable (within reason) will go further than adhering to current 'trends'.
Working out is no longer optional
"Mens fashion being geared to tighter, fitted clothes means you cant hide that beer gut anymore. Get your ass a gym membership and work out hard now."
Agree on the working out.
But again, better to wear what feels comfortable rather than just conforming for the sake of it. For example, shirts are one thing, but I would never find skinny trousers to fit my thunder thighs, let alone where them even if I did.
Tattoos and piercings is the norm. Accept it.
"In 6 months id say ive banged 10 women. (Been a good 6 months)
7/10 had their nipples pierced. It just is what it is. If you have a problem with tattoos and piercings on girls I dont know what to tell you because the majority have them now."
Bit of a generalisation. Think most people will have one or two of each. More fuss is made of it than necessary in conservative circles anyway. Like you say, it is what it is.
"Aversion to social media
We used to tell guys that aversion to social media was the way to go.
That's not true anymore.
In addition to a phone number I also ask for Snapchat and Instagram names.
Her seeing you have 2000 followers and hot girls are liking and commenting on your pictures is now powerful social proof.
Snapchatting you doing fun **** is also social proof.
Call don't text
No one calls anymore. Its almost considered social retardation to call people.
When my phone rings.. I'm shocked.
If you're under 30 you have to text. Get that text game right & accept it."
If we're talking generally, we can go back to the first point about texting. Less is still more. Play into your own frame, not the frame of 2000 people you met once, and three quarters of whom you'll never (physically) see again.
Getting 'liked' on SM is what it is; but it is also not what it is not (i.e. direct one-on-one interaction). What I've found is most powerful is being seen socialising with women on SM, especially one-on-one. Queue a flurry of suggestive and approving comments . Might even only do it once every couple of months or so.
A portrait of a lifestyle means nothing if you're not enjoying it with other people (i.e. hot women).
You're probably not getting married anytime soon.
"No ones getting married anymore till like 35.
So don't have it in your life plans to get married anytime soon.
Live it up. Travel and bang chicks internationally."
You can get married to a woman any time and she'll stick by you and be the best wife ever. Trouble is she'll be at least two SMV point below you.
You can marry the woman you want, but only if you deserve her and again exceed her SMV. And, game the sh!t out of her forever.
Clubs are the new first date
Again, it comes down to what you want; don't give up your frame to play in to a lifestyle you don't enjoy.
In my experience, the classier, more feminine, more attentive chicks aren't too fussed about clubbing; they prefer theatre, c0cktails, live music and romantic food dates.
Great concept thread. Will try to come up with some examples.....
Texting only to set up dates:
Would agree to an extent. Depends on the individual woman, and still good to bear in mind that you will still be unique by contacting less than the average guy.
The old underlying presumptions still apply; if they're not meeting you and allowing escalation regularly (in between all the texty texty) you're just in orbit.
I like to mix it up nowadays: ten or twenty messages one day, three to five the next day (tapering off); two days radio silence; invite them out on the third day. Repeat.
Stop looking for LTRs under 25
"We live in a hookup culture. Casual sex is the norm. Women are spinning plates just like us these days and its a good chance she is banging multiple men..
Accept it, participate in it but keep your heart to yourself if you/she is under 25."
Pretty much agree entirely. Depending where you live, the age range might even go higher to 30, 35 or even 40. The female prerogative is not what we are taught it is - some have little or no interest in settling down or reproducing like in Disney; well, at least not until they meet the 'right guy' anyway.
The button up, with jeans and dress shoes is boring
"This was the PUA uniform in 2008. This is boring. Clothes are more fitted now and its so many more options to play with. Jeans should always be slim fit and never boot cut.
Experiment with some different styles .."
Haaa. That 'uniform' was pretty much circa 1998 where I grew up. Then, trends always come back round; though classic styles never leave. Wearing whatever makes you comfortable (within reason) will go further than adhering to current 'trends'.
Working out is no longer optional
"Mens fashion being geared to tighter, fitted clothes means you cant hide that beer gut anymore. Get your ass a gym membership and work out hard now."
Agree on the working out.
But again, better to wear what feels comfortable rather than just conforming for the sake of it. For example, shirts are one thing, but I would never find skinny trousers to fit my thunder thighs, let alone where them even if I did.
Tattoos and piercings is the norm. Accept it.
"In 6 months id say ive banged 10 women. (Been a good 6 months)
7/10 had their nipples pierced. It just is what it is. If you have a problem with tattoos and piercings on girls I dont know what to tell you because the majority have them now."
Bit of a generalisation. Think most people will have one or two of each. More fuss is made of it than necessary in conservative circles anyway. Like you say, it is what it is.
"Aversion to social media
We used to tell guys that aversion to social media was the way to go.
That's not true anymore.
In addition to a phone number I also ask for Snapchat and Instagram names.
Her seeing you have 2000 followers and hot girls are liking and commenting on your pictures is now powerful social proof.
Snapchatting you doing fun **** is also social proof.
Call don't text
No one calls anymore. Its almost considered social retardation to call people.
When my phone rings.. I'm shocked.
If you're under 30 you have to text. Get that text game right & accept it."
If we're talking generally, we can go back to the first point about texting. Less is still more. Play into your own frame, not the frame of 2000 people you met once, and three quarters of whom you'll never (physically) see again.
Getting 'liked' on SM is what it is; but it is also not what it is not (i.e. direct one-on-one interaction). What I've found is most powerful is being seen socialising with women on SM, especially one-on-one. Queue a flurry of suggestive and approving comments . Might even only do it once every couple of months or so.
A portrait of a lifestyle means nothing if you're not enjoying it with other people (i.e. hot women).
You're probably not getting married anytime soon.
"No ones getting married anymore till like 35.
So don't have it in your life plans to get married anytime soon.
Live it up. Travel and bang chicks internationally."
You can get married to a woman any time and she'll stick by you and be the best wife ever. Trouble is she'll be at least two SMV point below you.
You can marry the woman you want, but only if you deserve her and again exceed her SMV. And, game the sh!t out of her forever.
Clubs are the new first date
Again, it comes down to what you want; don't give up your frame to play in to a lifestyle you don't enjoy.
In my experience, the classier, more feminine, more attentive chicks aren't too fussed about clubbing; they prefer theatre, c0cktails, live music and romantic food dates.
Great concept thread. Will try to come up with some examples.....
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Trainwreck
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Can we please add Celebirty comparisons like the Brad Pitt Test. Also, Cola is a bouncer so I'm pretty sure his mindset is catered to that world.
devilkingx2
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the point of the brad pitt test was always meant to be "can you imagine her saying this to someone she likes and wants to have sex with?" so it doesn't need to be a celebrity, it could be a 6'2 college football player for a good team or something like a soldier or a cop or a fireman who has a good amount of money tucked away to go with their good looks and physique.