90% of your inability to get women comes from masturbation

[n00bPimp]

Thats right.
Your inability to hook up with women, and even have a successful social life, comes from the fact that you have the option to masturbate.
This is something that I've noticed and that I've experienced myself. The more you masturbate, the less effort you put into creating or maintaining relationships with other people.
And you can see it. You can see it in yourself and the so called "loser" guys. The way the look and how they act. You can tell they are lonely and sad, but they put no effort into fixing it. Why? Why would somebody be dissatisfied with their social and love life, yet not be motivated to do anything about it?
BECAUSE HE ALWAYS HAS THE OPTION TO MASTURBATE.

Now, does this mean you should never masturbate? No. But it does mean that it should not be a habit. You should not wank it everytime you're horny.

My challenge to you:
Do not give yourself the option to masturbate. Give yourself a determined period of time, say 30 days, during which you can not masturbate or watch porn (which can make you lose control and then you end up masturbating).

Notice how after a few days, maybe a week, your motivation to socialize unmistakeably improves. It will not be an overnight thing, but after a week or so, you will notice subtle changes in how you treat others, and in your level of motivation to get laid.

And if you feel the urge to masturbate, just think of that loser 40 year guy. We all know one, that guy who has to go to strip clubs and hire because he needs to and not because he wants to have a good time with his friends. The same guy that has to go around looking for hookers on a friday night. Think about that guy who is dissatisfied with the way his social and love life turned out and that has come to terms with the fact that he will probably never reproduce.

Do not give yourself the option to slack and give yourself the option to be the alpha man.

 

[SeymourCake]

I disagree. I did the no fap challenge on June 15th, and fapped 4 times on Day 84 on August 10th. Now I'm doing the challenge again, and I'm on day 43 and I hardly notice any difference.

 

[JohnChops]

i think its a placebo. I do it when I want to but I find myself having no difference when I dont do it compared to when I do masturbate so I cant really say it makes any difference. All i know is when you ejaculate (From sex or from masturbation ) your test. levels drop either way.

 

[n00bPimp]

Are you talking about no difference in your motivation or no difference in your social and love life?

On day 16 I was hornier and more confident than i had felt in a long time and I just had to get laid. I found out about a friend's friend party and crashed there totally uninvited, hooked up with one chick and got a bj. I would've never bothered even going to that party were i jerking off regularly.

 

[JohnChops]

Are you talking about no difference in your motivation or no difference in your social and love life?

On day 16 I was hornier and more confident than i had felt in a long time and I just had to get laid. I found out about a friend's friend party and crashed there totally uninvited, hooked up with one chick and got a bj. I would've never bothered even going to that party were i jerking off regularly.

Both. My social life is the same and my love life is the same. I get have a FWB thing going on now and get laid 1-2 times a week and notice the days after I get laid im fvcking drained of energy. When I go weeks without ejaculating at all I feel super. But I think masturbation gives you more of a good feeling followed by a feeling of loneliness and a loser type feeling because your alone in your room pleasuring yourself.

When you get laid you have a confidence boost and feel relaxed because you dont get the after effects of masturbation. However you do get the feeling of lower energy from lower test. levels because you ejaculated.

And in theory your test levels will be at a max when you dont ejaculate but it wont "increase" your test levels because your body can only produce so much and it gives a peak. But thats what your feeling , more test

 

[n00bPimp]

i think its a placebo. I do it when I want to but I find myself having no difference when I dont do it compared to when I do masturbate so I cant really say it makes any difference. All i know is when you ejaculate (From sex or from masturbation ) your test. levels drop either way.

Sex is an instinctual urge. If you give yourself the option to satisfy that urge through masturbation, then what is there to motivate you to get laid, besides the pressure from your friends?

 

[JohnChops]

There isnt but read my above post

 

[Iceberg]

Thats right.
Your inability to hook up with women, and even have a successful social life, comes from the fact that you have the option to masturbate.
This is something that I've noticed and that I've experienced myself. The more you masturbate, the less effort you put into creating or maintaining relationships with other people.
And you can see it. You can see it in yourself and the so called "loser" guys. The way the look and how they act. You can tell they are lonely and sad, but they put no effort into fixing it. Why? Why would somebody be dissatisfied with their social and love life, yet not be motivated to do anything about it?
BECAUSE HE ALWAYS HAS THE OPTION TO MASTURBATE.

Now, does this mean you should never masturbate? No. But it does mean that it should not be a habit. You should not wank it everytime you're horny.

My challenge to you:
Do not give yourself the option to masturbate. Give yourself a determined period of time, say 30 days, during which you can not masturbate or watch porn (which can make you lose control and then you end up masturbating).

Notice how after a few days, maybe a week, your motivation to socialize unmistakeably improves. It will not be an overnight thing, but after a week or so, you will notice subtle changes in how you treat others, and in your level of motivation to get laid.

And if you feel the urge to masturbate, just think of that loser 40 year guy. We all know one, that guy who has to go to strip clubs and hire because he needs to and not because he wants to have a good time with his friends. The same guy that has to go around looking for hookers on a friday night. Think about that guy who is dissatisfied with the way his social and love life turned out and that has come to terms with the fact that he will probably never reproduce.

Do not give yourself the option to slack and give yourself the option to be the alpha man.

Sosuave had the "No Fap Challenge" going for a month or two.

I saw a lot of guys talking about "Feeling more masculine" and "Feeling more noticed by women". What I didn't see was guys actually going out and getting new girls. Talking to more women. Having more sex. A lot of "feeling" but no tangible results.

What that tells me is, guys can use this "No Fap" concept to trick themselves into THINKING that they're improving. But in reality, it doesn't mean anything. Because everyone masturbates. From alpha, supermodel-f**king CEOs to plumbers. It's what humans do...hell, it's what animals do. Masturbation isn't a destroyer of sexuality and testosterone.

Obviously, sitting at home spanking off 10 times per day is unhealthy. But rubbing one out every now and then isn't a big deal. And it's definitely not going to influence your ability to meet girls.

 

[MisterD]

How many times is this going to come up? Seriously?

You can beat off 5 times a day if you want--it's not going to improve or decrease your success with women.

I know some guys are having a tough time becoming successful with women and are looking for a magic pill to reverse their luck, but masturbation isn't it.

Refraining from wanking it will not turn you into a ***** slayer.

 

[NobodyCares1]

Well I haven't masturbated in 4 weeks and I am a lot more social, happier and full of energy but I can't really say that it's because of not wanking, it could be because of numerous reasons. But I do feel an energy decrease when I masturbate so I try to avoid it anyway.

 

[n00bPimp]

Sosuave had the "No Fap Challenge" going for a month or two.

I saw a lot of guys talking about "Feeling more masculine" and "Feeling more noticed by women". What I didn't see was guys actually going out and getting new girls. Talking to more women. Having more sex. A lot of "feeling" but no tangible results.

What that tells me is, guys can use this "No Fap" concept to trick themselves into THINKING that they're improving. But in reality, it doesn't mean anything. Because everyone masturbates. From alpha, supermodel-f**king CEOs to plumbers. It's what humans do...hell, it's what animals do. Masturbation isn't a destroyer of sexuality and testosterone.

Obviously, sitting at home spanking off 10 times per day is unhealthy. But rubbing one out every now and then isn't a big deal. And it's definitely not going to influence your ability to meet girls.

I've considered this argument before and I firmly believe that some people are different than others when it comes to this stuff. Some may already be confident alphas, and they may do worse from that extra testosterone that is getting stored from not jerking off, perhaps it makes them more irrtable. But some may do better under the same circumstances.
I can not deny that in my very own, individual, personal experience, and from what I sense many AFC's out there, the fact that giving themselves the option to masturbate deters them from getting laid more often.

As you correctly pointed out, not masturbating increases your "masculine feeling", but what you do with that is up to you. In my experience, it motivates me to go out more often and to focus on getting laid. So focused in fact, that I'm making friends just for the possibility of getting introduced to their social circle and meet some HBs through that.

 

[MisterD]

I've considered this argument before and I firmly believe that some people are different than others when it comes to this stuff. Some may already be confident alphas, and they may do worse from that extra testosterone that is getting stored from not jerking off, perhaps it makes them more irrtable. But some may do better under the same circumstances.
I can not deny that in my very own, individual, personal experience, and from what I sense many AFC's out there, the fact that giving themselves the option to masturbate deters them from getting laid more often.

As you correctly pointed out, not masturbating increases your "masculine feeling", but what you do with that is up to you. In my experience, it motivates me to go out more often and to focus on getting laid. So focused in fact, that I'm making friends just for the possibility of getting introduced to their social circle and meet some HBs through that.

But this is what I don't understand. Why are sex/meeting women and masturbation mutually exclusive? Why can't both coexist?

I masturbate often. I'm in college. When I'm on campus, I'm flirting, gaming, getting numbers, etc. Then I leave school, and go about my business. If I feel like beating off, I will. If I don't, I don't. It doesn't interfere with my interaction with women in any way. You're not going to be around women 24/7. Eventually you are going to go home to sleep, do homework, eat, whatever. During that time is when you squeeze in a wank session.

It's not like a girl calls me to have sex while I'm beating off and I ignore her call to keep watching porn. Guys on here that are pro-no fap present this idea that anytime you spend masturbating is time you can spend having sex. That' simply not true. When sexual opportunities present themselves, I take them. When they're not, I beat off. One way or the other, I have to drain the pipe.

There is a medium here that is being overlooked. And most men fall into this medium. The only points being made are--if you beat off you're a loser with no self control and no skills to get a woman, so in order to prevent that, you have to go weeks, months, without masturbating, not even once, so you can be more manly and naturally attract more women.

Whatever happened to, masturbate when you feel the urge, but with anything in life, don't get carried away with it.

There is a middle ground in all of this.

 

[BPH]

I disagree. Being a college kid I haven't fapped since I got to school...which would be about a month.

In that time I've had sex once, blown three times, and got a handy. I f***ing got off to each one of those things...the ONLY times I've ever gotten off to a BJ or a HJ were during my first times for both...

I can't pinpoint it to anything except the fact that I haven't jerked it...so I can't say it's beneficial from a self-esteem standpoint...

 

[Burroughs]

The main reason you don't get the women you want is your physical ugliness or lack of wealth.

if you were richer or better looking the women you think you deserve would flock to you.

period

end of story.

 

[muscleman]

It's part placebo part chemicals.

When you come you're flooded with estrogen to calm you down, which curbs the aggression that testosterone induces. Do it enough and you become a docile herb all day.

I'm a big proponent of masturbating/watching porn as little as possible and I'm trying to cut it out myself entirely, but that's tough. If I go 3+ days without sex I get too distracted by horniness to focus on other things.

Benefit when you do get laid though is you're rock hard and have a monster load.

 

[foreverAFC]

The main reason you don't get the women you want is your physical ugliness or lack of wealth.

if you were richer or better looking the women you think you deserve would flock to you.

period

end of story.

that really is what a lot of it comes down to. it is what it is.

 

[omega05]

worthless thread

 

[blind_one]

Sosuave had the "No Fap Challenge" going for a month or two.

I saw a lot of guys talking about "Feeling more masculine" and "Feeling more noticed by women". What I didn't see was guys actually going out and getting new girls. Talking to more women. Having more sex. A lot of "feeling" but no tangible results.

What that tells me is, guys can use this "No Fap" concept to trick themselves into THINKING that they're improving. But in reality, it doesn't mean anything. Because everyone masturbates. From alpha, supermodel-f**king CEOs to plumbers. It's what humans do...hell, it's what animals do. Masturbation isn't a destroyer of sexuality and testosterone.

Obviously, sitting at home spanking off 10 times per day is unhealthy. But rubbing one out every now and then isn't a big deal. And it's definitely not going to influence your ability to meet girls.

Well it did for me or so I believe and I'm one happy winner recently.

 

[Iceberg]

Well it did for me or so I believe and I'm one happy winner recently.

Yeah, but honestly....how would you know?

How would you know that whatever girls you're dating now were directly influenced by the "new you" that occurred after you gave up masturbating?

It's impossible to prove. Which is why I believe it's nonsense. Here's a fact...most people f**k. Another fact....most people masturbate.

If masturbating was a direct link to NOT f**king, then you, me, and 90% of the animal kingdom wouldn't exist.

I don't feel like dragging this conversation on any further, but everything about this just screams "magic pill".

 

[roflzaur]

when I dont fap, I get desperate. Nothing better than jacking one off before going out to make sure I am 100% ok with getting rejected that night. when one doesn't give a ****, its only up from there