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where iqqi posts, thundermav is sure to follow.
If we banned her, thundermav would disappear by default.

it can be considered a hidden bonus.
 

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ketostix said:
But look at it this way, if you leave here to blog with a group that only agrees with you, you'll just be preaching to a choir and engaging in group think with no one to really test your views. While that might be the more pleasant to do, it's not really that worthwhile.
That's all good and fine, but I'm not out to try to change the world.

It's the culture around here man. Too many people in denial. This is evidenced by the positive replies to your post on the other thread about how few desirable women there are these days. They actually AGREE with us. But they are reluctant to admit it. So what you end up with is guys who sit there and pull out the "low quality" card every time a guy makes reference to a woman's poor behavior.

"You just need to find a QUALITY woman. Find a QUALITY woman and this stuff won't continue to happen. As long as you continue to associate with LOW QUALITY women, you will get the same results!"

That sh!t is MIND NUMBING to read over, and over, and over again.

Also you have to consider that a little dissent sharpens and strengthens your views. It's like having a peer review. You have to reflect on your views and defend them. If they're valid, that will only strengthen them.
I agree with you completely, and I know that by stepping away from this it will certainly limit my potential to learn and formulate new ideas.

But how much does a man need to know about women?

I found this site searching for information on interpreting body language when I noticed a hot little bartender at my favorite bar flipping and twirling her hair whenever she would talk to me.

Learn to read body language- check

Learn to understand "game"- check

Figure out that the REAL game begins when you enter a relationship- check

Start putting 2+2 together when you see the profound influence game, wealth, status, power has over women- check

Begin to realize that women are a lot more different on the outside than they are on the inside, and that the mating game is actually a cutthroat, high stakes game where no one else is ever really on your side- check

How far do you need to go? When you reach this point there is nowhere to go but sideways or down. Anything new isn't a "revelation", it's just another way of looking at things.

Rogue said:
The "true believers" are more likely to speak and speak louder but that doesn't mean the middle ground isn't listening.
I hear ya. I would just rather explore my ideas in a place that offers a fresh perspective (read- less static to clutter the brain).

KontrollerX said:
He's not looking for a group that agrees with him in the sense of his not wanting to be challenged, he is looking for a group of like minded individuals who all have a certain view of the world and thereby he and those individuals can then debate and discuss certain findings of theirs.

Like for instance now he can't do that effectively as the morality crew and NLG knobs don't see the world the same as Str8up, he can't have a conversation with them on equal ground because they view the world much differently than he.

He can't explore the issues he wants to with them because they don't understand or they do understand but want to deny the reality of things.
Thank you.

It isn't about everyone thinking the same as me, it's about having the ability to explore ideas without constantly having to smack people upside the head because they can't understand the difference between two simple words- "all" and "most".

The smartest thing for guys on Sosuave to do is learn to best exist and even thrive in the current toxic culture we all live in.
:up:

jophil28 said:
I can predict how this thread will end up.
STR*up will get all the strokes, attention and sympathy that he is seeking and will finally 'reluctantly agree' to remain on the forum at the pleading of his fan club right about post 6999.
Sorry, but my mind is already made up. I will probably continue to write something, somewhere, but not here.

piranha45 said:
where iqqi posts, thundermav is sure to follow.
If we banned her, thundermav would disappear by default.

it can be considered a hidden bonus.
My stalker has a stalker? :crackup:
 

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If you saying that having an opposite opinion from STR8UP is trolling you need to do a quick wikipedia search on the definition of trolling. Half the people on this forum is a troll I guess, because we challenge his ideas. That's a little closed minded of you don't you think?

I don't represent people at NLG and I don't represent the people here at SS. The reason I posted that link from NLG is so that people can get a clear idea of why you're so angry with everyone there.

Yes, where there's a thread with Iqqi, Guru, Jophil or even Latinoman (where the hell did he go?) I'll be sure to follow. I share many of their ideas and I build on them. Just like we have people like Kontroller following STR8UP'S post. I see nothing wrong with like-minded individuals supporting each other. I also see nothing wrong with a debate. I mean I could really do without the c0cksucker insults but I guess I don't expect everyone to engage in a debate in a mature fashion.
 

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STR8UP said:
My stalker has a stalker? :crackup:
naw dude, just an orbiter... he's been doing it here like clockwork lately... I'd expect they share tons of platonic giggles with each other via PM over his heroic defense of madame against the SS jerks.
 

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piranah, I have no history of beef with you. I don't think I've ever talked to you. I don't know why you're starting in with "I'd expect they share tons of platonic giggles with each other via PM over his heroic defense of madame against the SS jerks." You keep forgetting I don't represent anyone. I don't care about this whole SS vs NLG crap. I'm not here to defend anyone. Actually the ONLY time I defended Iqqi is when people called her looks into question and I told them she's pretty hot. What's this captain save a ho business? To be honest I haven't personally talked to Iqqi in weeks.

I will tell you that I love debating STR8UP's threads. We have two completely different schools of thought and I can appreciate that. (just like him and Jophil. Just like him and Guru. Just like him and Iqqi and others) I've also talked to people personally who know STR8 and have told me, and I quote: "STR8UP is the kind of MAN that would give you the shirt off his back".

I have no doubt he's a good guy, but I think his overall view of women, based on his experiences is skewed and he wants everyone to share in that same view. I personally don't. I've argued reasons why and the only thing he can say is "oh man you're living in the matrix. have fun in your matrix. bla bla bla" the matrix mantra with no basis to support it gets old. It just becomes another opinion and eventually it looses any meaning it once had. It's also easy to invalidate others because you're so strongly rooted in your belief.

I'll tell you one more thing STR8, it's hard to believe you don't think in absolutes when it comes to women; your threads are titled as:


Women are Devilish Wh0res



Women can be Shameless Attention Seekers
 

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Geez, for a section called The Mature Man, some of you guys surely are a bunch of drama queens. Over what??? I'll tell you what, quoting my grumpy old Aussie friend: "farkin' storm in a D-cup!"

I can't think of any man who ever stood up for what he believed in would b!tch publicly that he has to deal with people who *gasps* dare to disagree with him & criticize his beliefs.

Surely there's no law in the 48 Laws of Power that advises you to whine & cry about not getting enough love on the Internet if you need more virtual love & respect?
 

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"Geez, for a section called The Mature Man, some of you guys surely are a bunch of drama queens. Over what??? I'll tell you what, quoting my grumpy old Aussie friend: "farkin' storm in a D-cup!"

Uh huh and you are just so above it all right Jitterbug? :rolleyes:

Oh wait if you were you wouldn't be posting in this thread adding to the drama!

"I can't think of any man who ever stood up for what he believed in would b!tch publicly that he has to deal with people who *gasps* dare to disagree with him & criticize his beliefs."

People that can't be bothered to read a thread before replying to it never fail to sicken me with their laziness.

So here's the relevant posts for the lazy loudmouth to get informed...

Kontroller said: He's not looking for a group that agrees with him in the sense of his not wanting to be challenged, he is looking for a group of like minded individuals who all have a certain view of the world and thereby he and those individuals can then debate and discuss certain findings of theirs.

Like for instance now he can't do that effectively as the morality crew and NLG knobs don't see the world the same as Str8up, he can't have a conversation with them on equal ground because they view the world much differently than he.

He can't explore the issues he wants to with them because they don't understand or they do understand but want to deny the reality of things.


Str8up then replied: Thank you.

It isn't about everyone thinking the same as me, it's about having the ability to explore ideas without constantly having to smack people upside the head because they can't understand the difference between two simple words- "all" and "most".


"Surely there's no law in the 48 Laws of Power that advises you to whine & cry about not getting enough love on the Internet if you need more virtual love & respect?"

Typical NLG quality reply folks...

To conclude Str8up's problems can be solved by NLG and morality crew members staying out of his threads which they just can't seem to do for some reason.

"You didn't get picked for a very good reason; You just wouldn't shut up."

I just spotted this in Thunderdouche's past post...

That supposed "wouldn't shut up" was my re-assuring that cvnt that she and I had a clean slate from that moment on.

It was an act of goodwill on my part to go to such great lengths to be kind to her and of course an idiot like you and an idiot like fingz would misinterpret this as a superiority complex.

On many forums online users constantly complain that mods never talk to them and never let them have their say or their side of things or talk to them at all which would indicate the mods are taking their concerns to heart, I wanted to be different, be someone that could be interacted with in a friendly manner and really show that I listened.

Of course dealing with iqqi and you NLG simpletons my kindness simply worked to bite me on the ass.

And you wonder why I have such a fierce disgust for fingz and his site?

You honestly wonder why.

Wow.

I can't adequately convey how stupid I find you to be Thunder.

I really can't.
 

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STR8UP said:
It's the culture around here man. Too many people in denial. This is evidenced by the positive replies to your post on the other thread about how few desirable women there are these days. They actually AGREE with us. But they are reluctant to admit it. So what you end up with is guys who sit there and pull out the "low quality" card every time a guy makes reference to a woman's poor behavior.
I think everyone here will agree that it is difficult to find a "quality women" these days. Nobody will argue with you on that.

The dissension comes in response to the countermeasures you seem to suggest by example: Use women as "fvcktoys" instead of "nexting" them when they disrespect you, and don't waste time qualifying because most women will screw you over in the end, anyway, and all women have the potential to cheat on you.

In my view, that's STILL operating with a "scarcity mentality"--if you are keeping undesirable women around just so you can continue to have sex with them, you're still being ruled by pvssy. An "abundance mentality" would have you next them as soon as they step out of line and get a brand new prospect on the line.

That way, you don't get sucked into drama and you wind up with a greater variety of girls as an added bonus.

You have solid game, and I see no reason why adopting such a strategy would not result in a more positive experience for you.

As for your ideas about wealth, power, etc.--I agree with you within reason. Rich guys will have more options. I think the downside of this is that they have a GREATER need to qualify, because they will by definition attract the women that are most drawn to money and power.

You are ALWAYS going to have to maintain the traits that landed you the girl in the first place, and I think we agree on this. There's no excuse for letting oneself go. However, I think those traits have less to do with material goods and more to do with personality traits--you've even alluded to this with the post about "aura."

Bottom line, I think there's only one tenet of your belief structure that's truly being challenged here.
 

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So KontrollerX, the issue here is that you guys are out to find groupies here and fail to do so, and therefore you start thread after thread to b!tch about it? I get it.

I'm a part of the "morality crew" eh? Sure, if you like to see the world in black & white.

You know in the 48 Laws of Power, there's one that advises you to be a King and act like one? Well, a King doesn't roll in the mud with pigs then complains about getting bad smells all over him. STR8UP, for all his supposed Game, status, money & wisdom of the Womaniverse, keeps getting involved with women who have PROBLEMS written all over them just for sex and posts day after day to b!tch about them. It's like some chick who keeps dating thugs and whines that she gets beaten & stepped all over. When people here point out the obvious, he'd whine about being misunderstood...

Anyway, this whole thing is pointless. I'm out of this thread.
 

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Jitterbug said:
I'm a part of the "morality crew" eh?
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KX knows better that to use female style shaming tactics like that . Perhaps he has been immersed in STR8's mindset a little too long.

This tread is spiralling downward.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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"So KontrollerX, the issue here is that you guys are out to find groupies here and fail to do so, and therefore you start thread after thread to b!tch about it? I get it."

Nice evasion.

The actual issue is explained in the text I provided that is colored blue and then red.

I then explained to you that Str8up's problems here are easily solved by posters who can't handle his threads staying out of them.

Honestly why is that so hard for you guys?

You guys know that you and Str8up will never agree on certain issues so why keep warring with him about such issues?

Thats the height of pointlessness.

He has heard your side and rejected it.

"I'm a part of the "morality crew" eh? Sure, if you like to see the world in black & white."

My issue with you is you were like this guy...

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1595104#post1595104

That being a person who doesn't read, comprehend and understand a thread fully before replying to it or in his case making a new topic to comment on it.

I don't mind someone being obnoxious hell we all can be that at times but what I do mind is uninformed people coming into a topic, spouting rubbish thats already been put to bed and then puffing their chest about it as you did.

"You know in the 48 Laws of Power, there's one that advises you to be a King and act like one? Well, a King doesn't roll in the mud with pigs then complains about getting bad smells all over him. STR8UP, for all his supposed Game, status, money & wisdom of the Womaniverse, keeps getting involved with women who have PROBLEMS written all over them just for sex and posts day after day to b!tch about them. It's like some chick who keeps dating thugs and whines that she gets beaten & stepped all over. When people here point out the obvious, he'd whine about being misunderstood..."

What you guys don't understand is he's not doing that at all.

What he's really doing is recognizing that the majority of women in America are undateable and then from that mindset that he himself has grudgingly accepted he wants to talk about dynamics of why a particular chick is the way she is or why one is worse than another or better than another in some regard or how certain social settings effect a chick's behavior. He's passed the bitterness or misogyny garbage you guys keep thinking is the motivation for his mindset.

Bitterness and misogyny do not motivate his mindset at all.

What does motivate his mindset and the topics he creates are his belief from much study that women are amoral.

What you guys fail to understand is Str8up when he talks about women being amoral its not an instance of his puffing his chest and thus declaring his manly superiority over them for this reason, its not an indicator of bitterness or misogyny, its a logical minded pattern recognition based conclusion and not a conclusion come to lightly or out of any frivelous anger.

I'm sure he doesn't like or enjoy the reality that he has discovered but he has accepted it and that "women are amoral" mindset is what he is moving forward with and thats what everyone who wants to actually contribute quality productive posts to his threads needs to understand so we can avoid Str8up and others having to shoot down posts by the morality saps calling him bitter, jaded or a misogynist doing all the feminist's shaming garbage for them.

The fact is Str8up probably doesn't like the fact that women are amoral and I'm sure not many of us with Str8up's same mindset do either but we accept the reality we have discovered for what it is and want to move forward having discussions with other like minded individuals so that we don't have to keep having pointless arguments with morality crew brigade members who view people in a religious good or evil sense.

Now thats actual black and white thinking.

So you guys disagree that women are amoral?

Wonderful.

Your disagreement has been noted.

Now please stay out of Str8up's threads so that those of us who do believe they are amoral can have discussions that evolve from that base agreement.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
If you saying that having an opposite opinion from STR8UP is trolling you need to do a quick wikipedia search on the definition of trolling. Half the people on this forum is a troll I guess, because we challenge his ideas. That's a little closed minded of you don't you think?
You have very little to offer this discussion board. about 80% of your past 20 posts are you and your internet girlfriend (who wants to sleep with me....how do you feel about that?) trying to provoke me.

Yes, where there's a thread with Iqqi, Guru, Jophil or even Latinoman (where the hell did he go?) I'll be sure to follow. I share many of their ideas and I build on them. Just like we have people like Kontroller following STR8UP'S post. I see nothing wrong with like-minded individuals supporting each other. I also see nothing wrong with a debate. I mean I could really do without the c0cksucker insults but I guess I don't expect everyone to engage in a debate in a mature fashion.
The problem is, you don't debate, you throw out an opposing POV with nothing to back it up.

I think two or three of your past 30 posts consisted of "hahahahahahahaha". Bring something to the table or go back to the jerkfest where you obviously feel more at home.

And the worst part about it is not that you are part of the morality brigade, but that you so easily identify with a woman who serves no purpose here but to cause trouble with her typical modern day feminine slant. She is everything this board is AGAINST, and for a man to identify with that says a lot about who he is.

And about Latinoman....sheesh. Mr. Alpha can't be without a girlfriend for more than two weeks. Yea, thats the guy we need to be taking advice from.

KontrollerX said:
People that can't be bothered to read a thread before replying to it never fail to sicken me with their laziness.

So here's the relevant posts for the lazy loudmouth to get informed...
If there is one thing I have noticed about the opposing camp is that they have a serious problem grasping the subject matter at hand. Or is it that they simply don't have any other way to defend their stance than to manufacture their own version of what is said. I highly doubt that it's laziness. Overjealousness? Maybe. If you get fired up and get your panties in a bunch after reading the first line or the title of the post and start going off on tangents I would blame closed mindedness.

Jeffst1980 said:
I think everyone here will agree that it is difficult to find a "quality women" these days. Nobody will argue with you on that.
Oh no....PLENTY of people argue that point all the time. This is evidenced by the constant barrage of "solutions" to all of mens problems that are some variation of "You are just dealing with the wrong kind of women".

No sh!t Sherlock. Me and everybody else. "It's the circle of friends you choose to associate with". There's always a convenient comeback, and it always implies that there are a myriad of qualified candidates and you are a loser if you aren't seeing them. BULLSH!T.

In my view, that's STILL operating with a "scarcity mentality"--if you are keeping undesirable women around just so you can continue to have sex with them, you're still being ruled by pvssy. An "abundance mentality" would have you next them as soon as they step out of line and get a brand new prospect on the line.
I think keto did a great job of addressing this in another thread recently, and to my surprise, most people agreed with him!

Fact is, if you want to deal with women in any capacity you have to deal with various degrees of "undesirable". The lowest rung you avoid completely. These are the mental cases that you have to worry about slashing your tires in the middle of the night or leaving dead animals on your doorstep.

The next rung are FB material. Bangable, but you aren't going to introduce them to mom.

The there is "relationship material".

According to your criteria, only these relationship candidates should even be able to qualify for a booty call. You guys are delusional and unrealistic. I'm not going to "remain celibate" (go on a pu$$y strike") as someone alluded to in another post to "teach women a lesson". I'm going to take my attractive rejects who do not seem to have the propensity to go psycho on me, and I'm going to turn them into booty calls. That's how it's done. Good looking but you wouldn't take her home to mom- booty call.

Jitterbug said:
STR8UP, for all his supposed Game, status, money & wisdom of the Womaniverse, keeps getting involved with women who have PROBLEMS written all over them just for sex and posts day after day to b!tch about them.
I've done this before on other threads with quite telling results.

I challenge you to find a quote (in context) with me "b!tching" about women.

You aren't going to find it, because I don't b!tch about women. I talk about some of the things they do that I believe to be counterproductive to happy, healthy relationships with them, but if you think I'm b!tching about them you aren't any better than the overzealous haters that take everything I say out of context.

Seriously....you guys need to get a clue. If you think I am b!tching about women you have problems. You are overreacting to a perceived threat that doesn't even exist.

Jophil28 said:
KX knows better that to use female style shaming tactics like that . Perhaps he has been immersed in STR8's mindset a little too long.
The only shaming I see going on is by the guys who can't seem to grasp the topic. Calling someone a member of the "morality crew" is a lot different than labeling a man as a "bitter misogynist"
 

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STR8UP said:
* nothing but vomit*
You're acting like a victim again. You can conjure up in your head all the little imaginary reasons why you think I'm picking on you but "80%" of them are wrong. You have interesting viewpoints. A lot of them I find to be flat out wrong. A lot of them I agree with. Just because I haven't agreed with you in 20 post doesn't mean I'm out to get you. Maybe you haven't said anything in the past 20 post for me to agree with. (the ad hominem attacks don't add any credibility to you in my eyes anyways, so nothing you say about me personally bothers me. If it makes you feel good then go for it.) Would you feel more secure if I said "we agree on xy and z"? I mean I have in the past. I've used a lot of your methods when dealing with women before.

You're a nice guy, but I'm not going to lick your boots when you say something I don't agree with. What you find to be baseless arguments is from your own interpretation as well.


STR8UP said:
The problem is, you don't debate, you throw out an opposing POV with nothing to back it up.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=149196 Now come on. I thought I gave a pretty good argument to what you said in the thread I linked above.

When people talk about filtering women it's because they've taken that method and applied it to their own lives. When they see you willfully getting involved with skanks who spread rumors about you they tell you that you do a terrible job at qualifying. Would most mature men HERE sleep with someone's BFF knowing what they know? Most of us say no, but you say YES. You actually do it - and so the rumors about you having AIDS spreads. We say "hey, that was a dopey move" and you say "well that's how women are!! it's not about filtering! It's about their nature!! *vomit*

At some point people are going to think you have a screw loose. THEN you expect people to bow to your holistic viewpoint of women? No.

No, it's not that are arguments are baseless, it's that YOU hear what you want to hear. There's no room for experienced, dissenting voices.


ThunderMaverick said:
Oh my God don't let the door hit your whiny ass on the way out. Jesus you have SS veterans here, with life experience who challenge your views, and you get into a tissy because they have good arguments for your sweeping generalizations. Not everyone has been what you've been through. Based on individual actions and "filtering" a lot of the mature men here have had pleasant experiences with women, not just bad. Your own truth has a LOT to do with the people you bring into your life. I don't know how you don't understand that.

I'll tell you what would be better for you. Start your own STR8UP forum and screen every person who wants to register. Ask them if they agree with everything you have to say and if they don't agree don't let them in. Only let the ones in who will parrot your every word. You get so goddamn butt hurt when someone shakes your rock solid beliefs. You gotta get over yourself man.

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Bring something to the table or go back to the jerkfest where you obviously feel more at home.
You're not in any position to be making demands. You're leaving after all. Where you're going you won't have to worry about my opinions anymore, will you? Thank God, right? :D

This is my last post on this thread. Take your ball and go home.
 

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STR8UP, KX,

Regarding the "quality women" debate, the guys in the so-called "morality crew" - and I'd put myself in there too since you've given me such honour, although I'm nowhere near as experienced as them - actually do agree with you that most American / Western women are not marriage materials. We also, amazingly, agree with each other than there are quality women although they're very rare and it takes sharp DJ skills to find & qualify those rare gems.

I don't know about you but I personally learned these DJ skills so that I can find those rare gems and know how to recognize and NEXT the trash & the incompatibles. I didn't spend so much time reading the wisdom here and practicing them in the field just to accept cheating hobags & other poor excuses for a woman in my life. I'm not getting laid like rockstars or some super PUAs. I get my share, bit over average but nothing to write home about. But I don't have some psycho woman making my life miserable or some jealous AFC boyfriend trying to gun me down.

You on the other hand knowingly roll with those trashy women and then write posts to sum up their behaviours & the crap they bring to your life as if they're representative of all women. It's one thing if that's how you want to live your life and take it as a packaged deal. It's another when you're on a forum preaching as if it's wisdom. I mean, 7 years and 7000 posts and all that DJ knowledge just to say the obvious: hobags act like hobags and they make your life miserable. Seriously...

No I'm not calling you bitter or misogynist or anything that you two are doing to us by saying that we're a "morality crew". Indeed you're not. I just think you have a huge ego investment in your views of women and cannot stand the fact that people can disagree with you. Roissy would probably say that it's not very Alpha-like.
 

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You're acting like a victim again. You can conjure up in your head all the little imaginary reasons why you think I'm picking on you but "80%" of them are wrong.
You aren't "picking on me", you are stirring up sh!t because you would rather kiss iqqi's ass than come up with an original thought regarding the subject matter at hand.

Literally, the last 80% of your posts were contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion, other than complaining about other people complaining. That sounds like a productive use of your time.....

I've used a lot of your methods when dealing with women before.
I'm happy to have had an influence.

When people talk about filtering women it's because they've taken that method and applied it to their own lives.
The entire concept of "filtering" validates my point of view. Yet, the "quality woman" brigade is intent on insisting on persisting. I don't have the desire to "next" 100 women a year. That's WAAAAY too focused on something I don't even need in my life to be happy.

You think I don't disqualify women? I do so all the time. They either get relegated to "useless" or "useful for a purpose". Purpose being, a fukk toy.

When they see you willfully getting involved with skanks who spread rumors about you they tell you that you do a terrible job at qualifying.
Uh....yea....I should have known 8 years ago when I met her that one day she would be spreading toxic rumors about me.

If ANYTHING, it goes to prove my point that you never really know women until they are tested. Eight years went by without incident. I fukk her friend and all of the sudden the true colors show. Replace "fukked her friend" with "lost my job", or "became depressed when my father died". Any of these situations could cause a woman to take an entirely different view of your relationship. But of course, those are "low quality" women to begin with. As long as you have that nuke in your arsenal nothing will ever make you question your beliefs. The answer will always be "she was a low quality h0". Easy to wrap the package and send it off with that kind of a catch all excuse.

Would most mature men HERE sleep with someone's BFF knowing what they know? Most of us say no, but you say YES. You actually do it - and so the rumors about you having AIDS spreads. We say "hey, that was a dopey move" and you say "well that's how women are!! it's not about filtering! It's about their nature!! *vomit*
Which is it, Mr. Morality? The fact that I pounded her friend into the headboard until the sun came up, or the fact that girl #1 was a bad choice for a fukk buddy?

You are grasping for straws.

Any MAN who was attracted to girl #2 would have done EXACTLY what I did. He would have taken what was rightfully his. He would have made no apologies for his actions.

The beta male would second guess his decision, worrying about the "moral implications" of screwing the best friend of a woman who was using him as much as he was using her and would not hesitate to do the same thing given the opportunity.

At some point people are going to think you have a screw loose. THEN you expect people to bow to your holistic viewpoint of women? No.
Better to be seen as having a screw loose than to be lost in la-la land....

No, it's not that are arguments are baseless, it's that YOU hear what you want to hear.
Kind of funny for you to say that, given that the other side is the one with reading comprehension issues. I mean, seriously....when someone posts about "abstaining" to prove a point, if you cannot directly interpret that to mean "pu$$y strike", you have to be listening to a voice that's taking you in the wrong direction.

You're not in any position to be making demands. You're leaving after all. Where you're going you won't have to worry about my opinions anymore, will you? Thank God, right? :D

This is my last post on this thread. Take your ball and go home.
Good riddance.

As I said, you bring little to nothing to the table. Re-read your last 20 posts. If there is a nugget of wisdom in there amongst the trollish jibber-jabber, I certainly didn't see it.
 

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Okay, so obviously both sides of the debate agree that there are very few quality women. What we disagree on is how to handle the situation. Do you:

a) Recognize problematic women, grade them, and use them accordingly; or

b) Recognize problematic women, ditch them, and continue hunting at the risk of not getting laid for extended periods of time.

Str8up and those who agree with him would say "a." The others would say "b."

For me, I would prefer to not be getting any, or at the very least, be completely up front with the girl before getting naked with her. I've done this in the past and the girl was at first upset but then got over it. I told her I wasn't looking for a relationship. Even Tom Leykis preached about being up front with a woman if you were dating someone else simultaneously. That way you can sleep at night with a clear conscience.

It's as simple as that.
 

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LeftyLoosey said:
b) Recognize problematic women, ditch them, and continue hunting at the risk of not getting laid for extended periods of time.


It's as simple as that.
This is the correct answer, but extremely hard to do if you are operating from a "sex is a scarce resource" mindset. Once you get it into your head that sex is a readily available commodity, you can filter more appropriately and effectively.

the old metaphysical paradox applies: the less you need something, the easier it is to get.
 

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STR8

We've definitely bumped heads before, but I've always respected your views, and the fervor with which you share them. I think your biggest weakness is this need you feel to defend said observations to the death, instead of just letting them stand on their own weight.

For me its a lot easier to post when you dont address every naysayer, quoting and picking apart rebuttals which just end up stressing you out or sapping your energy.

What I find really interesting is how often you and <insert current nemesis here> actually AGREE on the meat of the issue, but just end up having these circular arguments over semantics. Kind of hard to avoid considering the titles of most of your posts. More than once I have read your title in outrage, only to read the thread and say "Actually, this is pretty bang on"

I think part of you enjoys stirring the controversy up a bit, maybe its a tactical maneuver to get the message out there, but in the end it's funny to see you act all surprised when feathers get ruffled, and the title of the thread is "All Women are fornicating, lying, evil, depraved WH0RES!!!", or something along those lines

Either way something tells me that your foes are the ones who will miss you the most. Who else will they be able to argue with endlessly over abstract and subjective topics which have no resolution whatsoever? :p
 

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Oh, STR8UP, will wonders never cease.

I am like 99% of women who you cannot access. I only see you because you make so much noise.

When I hear all your whining about "the way it is", I try to let your audience know, "it" isn't really "that way". That is just how it is for you. This is a forum, and right now you are perched as a messiah, because you relate to a bunch of angry menchildren who want to b!tch about why the world and women are so unfair.

But in real life you are no god, and I couldn't even bring myself to bother with you and your miserable views that you seem to hold on the inside, and then live out on this fantasy forum where anyone might give a sh!t because they are angry and frustrated, too.

STR8UP said:
...your internet girlfriend (who wants to sleep with me....how do you feel about that?) trying to provoke me.
They say birds of a feather...

Is it no wonder that all your threads are about such low class birds, and then you yourself speak this way?

I don't know what you get from saying such fantastic "rumors" like this about yourself. I think you have really lost some sense of reality. Or maybe your brain just never left middle school, and you think you are really doing something with such a childish "insult." Here is a thought. Seeing as you are trying to insult me here, who are you really insulting by bringing in sex with you as the insult? ;)

Anyways, I won't stoop to your level because being that is just tacky.

But for the real record: You could never get a girl like me.

And you are not attractive (to me).

So continue to beat off to your fantasy of me being interested in you, but you are setting a bad example for your "following."

As for KX who keeps mentioning me: I don't address you because I worry I might invoke a heart attack or a burst artery or something. You can't control yourself at all, and you hold onto anger for a really, really long time, buddy. It's alarming. :nervous:

You aren't building bombs in your basement are you?! :nervous:

How 'bout you stop mentioning me on a personal level, and I won't respond and ruin your year.

As for NLG members posting here... what, is this a gang? :crackup:

Why do you keep trying to act like we are in a gangwar? I post here for the same reason I have always posted here. To be a light in the sea of darkness. To counter all the "ALL WOMEN ARE WH0RE" discussions. I post at NLG to actually learn and grow among people who are not negative and angry, where discussions are more than just how to hate women 101.

Many people post in more than one forum. And I can find a bunch of sosuave threads started by Fingz, VU, and even yours truly, that are far more substantial than almost all of the threads started by STR8UP and you combined. Want me to?

You constantly flame a handful of members who usually aren't even around to see or care what you are saying... why aren't YOU banned?

As far as you calling VU GI Joe... didn't you used to imitate him and follow him because he was your hero? :crackup:

What happened?
 

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Iqqi has a crush on Str8up. Maybe afterall there's something to what some of the guys say about Str8 attracting low quality women :D.
 
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