That's all good and fine, but I'm not out to try to change the world.ketostix said:But look at it this way, if you leave here to blog with a group that only agrees with you, you'll just be preaching to a choir and engaging in group think with no one to really test your views. While that might be the more pleasant to do, it's not really that worthwhile.
I agree with you completely, and I know that by stepping away from this it will certainly limit my potential to learn and formulate new ideas.Also you have to consider that a little dissent sharpens and strengthens your views. It's like having a peer review. You have to reflect on your views and defend them. If they're valid, that will only strengthen them.
I hear ya. I would just rather explore my ideas in a place that offers a fresh perspective (read- less static to clutter the brain).Rogue said:The "true believers" are more likely to speak and speak louder but that doesn't mean the middle ground isn't listening.
Thank you.KontrollerX said:He's not looking for a group that agrees with him in the sense of his not wanting to be challenged, he is looking for a group of like minded individuals who all have a certain view of the world and thereby he and those individuals can then debate and discuss certain findings of theirs.
Like for instance now he can't do that effectively as the morality crew and NLG knobs don't see the world the same as Str8up, he can't have a conversation with them on equal ground because they view the world much differently than he.
He can't explore the issues he wants to with them because they don't understand or they do understand but want to deny the reality of things.
The smartest thing for guys on Sosuave to do is learn to best exist and even thrive in the current toxic culture we all live in.
Sorry, but my mind is already made up. I will probably continue to write something, somewhere, but not here.jophil28 said:I can predict how this thread will end up.
STR*up will get all the strokes, attention and sympathy that he is seeking and will finally 'reluctantly agree' to remain on the forum at the pleading of his fan club right about post 6999.
My stalker has a stalker? :crackup:piranha45 said:where iqqi posts, thundermav is sure to follow.
If we banned her, thundermav would disappear by default.
it can be considered a hidden bonus.
naw dude, just an orbiter... he's been doing it here like clockwork lately... I'd expect they share tons of platonic giggles with each other via PM over his heroic defense of madame against the SS jerks.STR8UP said:My stalker has a stalker? :crackup:
I think everyone here will agree that it is difficult to find a "quality women" these days. Nobody will argue with you on that.STR8UP said:It's the culture around here man. Too many people in denial. This is evidenced by the positive replies to your post on the other thread about how few desirable women there are these days. They actually AGREE with us. But they are reluctant to admit it. So what you end up with is guys who sit there and pull out the "low quality" card every time a guy makes reference to a woman's poor behavior.
KX knows better that to use female style shaming tactics like that . Perhaps he has been immersed in STR8's mindset a little too long.Jitterbug said:I'm a part of the "morality crew" eh?
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
You have very little to offer this discussion board. about 80% of your past 20 posts are you and your internet girlfriend (who wants to sleep with me....how do you feel about that?) trying to provoke me.ThunderMaverick said:If you saying that having an opposite opinion from STR8UP is trolling you need to do a quick wikipedia search on the definition of trolling. Half the people on this forum is a troll I guess, because we challenge his ideas. That's a little closed minded of you don't you think?
The problem is, you don't debate, you throw out an opposing POV with nothing to back it up.Yes, where there's a thread with Iqqi, Guru, Jophil or even Latinoman (where the hell did he go?) I'll be sure to follow. I share many of their ideas and I build on them. Just like we have people like Kontroller following STR8UP'S post. I see nothing wrong with like-minded individuals supporting each other. I also see nothing wrong with a debate. I mean I could really do without the c0cksucker insults but I guess I don't expect everyone to engage in a debate in a mature fashion.
If there is one thing I have noticed about the opposing camp is that they have a serious problem grasping the subject matter at hand. Or is it that they simply don't have any other way to defend their stance than to manufacture their own version of what is said. I highly doubt that it's laziness. Overjealousness? Maybe. If you get fired up and get your panties in a bunch after reading the first line or the title of the post and start going off on tangents I would blame closed mindedness.KontrollerX said:People that can't be bothered to read a thread before replying to it never fail to sicken me with their laziness.
So here's the relevant posts for the lazy loudmouth to get informed...
Oh no....PLENTY of people argue that point all the time. This is evidenced by the constant barrage of "solutions" to all of mens problems that are some variation of "You are just dealing with the wrong kind of women".Jeffst1980 said:I think everyone here will agree that it is difficult to find a "quality women" these days. Nobody will argue with you on that.
I think keto did a great job of addressing this in another thread recently, and to my surprise, most people agreed with him!In my view, that's STILL operating with a "scarcity mentality"--if you are keeping undesirable women around just so you can continue to have sex with them, you're still being ruled by pvssy. An "abundance mentality" would have you next them as soon as they step out of line and get a brand new prospect on the line.
I've done this before on other threads with quite telling results.Jitterbug said:STR8UP, for all his supposed Game, status, money & wisdom of the Womaniverse, keeps getting involved with women who have PROBLEMS written all over them just for sex and posts day after day to b!tch about them.
The only shaming I see going on is by the guys who can't seem to grasp the topic. Calling someone a member of the "morality crew" is a lot different than labeling a man as a "bitter misogynist"Jophil28 said:KX knows better that to use female style shaming tactics like that . Perhaps he has been immersed in STR8's mindset a little too long.
You're acting like a victim again. You can conjure up in your head all the little imaginary reasons why you think I'm picking on you but "80%" of them are wrong. You have interesting viewpoints. A lot of them I find to be flat out wrong. A lot of them I agree with. Just because I haven't agreed with you in 20 post doesn't mean I'm out to get you. Maybe you haven't said anything in the past 20 post for me to agree with. (the ad hominem attacks don't add any credibility to you in my eyes anyways, so nothing you say about me personally bothers me. If it makes you feel good then go for it.) Would you feel more secure if I said "we agree on xy and z"? I mean I have in the past. I've used a lot of your methods when dealing with women before.STR8UP said:* nothing but vomit*
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=149196 Now come on. I thought I gave a pretty good argument to what you said in the thread I linked above.STR8UP said:The problem is, you don't debate, you throw out an opposing POV with nothing to back it up.
ThunderMaverick said:Oh my God don't let the door hit your whiny ass on the way out. Jesus you have SS veterans here, with life experience who challenge your views, and you get into a tissy because they have good arguments for your sweeping generalizations. Not everyone has been what you've been through. Based on individual actions and "filtering" a lot of the mature men here have had pleasant experiences with women, not just bad. Your own truth has a LOT to do with the people you bring into your life. I don't know how you don't understand that.
I'll tell you what would be better for you. Start your own STR8UP forum and screen every person who wants to register. Ask them if they agree with everything you have to say and if they don't agree don't let them in. Only let the ones in who will parrot your every word. You get so goddamn butt hurt when someone shakes your rock solid beliefs. You gotta get over yourself man.
You're not in any position to be making demands. You're leaving after all. Where you're going you won't have to worry about my opinions anymore, will you? Thank God, right?STR8UP said:Bring something to the table or go back to the jerkfest where you obviously feel more at home.
You aren't "picking on me", you are stirring up sh!t because you would rather kiss iqqi's ass than come up with an original thought regarding the subject matter at hand.ThunderMaverick said:You're acting like a victim again. You can conjure up in your head all the little imaginary reasons why you think I'm picking on you but "80%" of them are wrong.
I'm happy to have had an influence.I've used a lot of your methods when dealing with women before.
The entire concept of "filtering" validates my point of view. Yet, the "quality woman" brigade is intent on insisting on persisting. I don't have the desire to "next" 100 women a year. That's WAAAAY too focused on something I don't even need in my life to be happy.When people talk about filtering women it's because they've taken that method and applied it to their own lives.
Uh....yea....I should have known 8 years ago when I met her that one day she would be spreading toxic rumors about me.When they see you willfully getting involved with skanks who spread rumors about you they tell you that you do a terrible job at qualifying.
Which is it, Mr. Morality? The fact that I pounded her friend into the headboard until the sun came up, or the fact that girl #1 was a bad choice for a fukk buddy?Would most mature men HERE sleep with someone's BFF knowing what they know? Most of us say no, but you say YES. You actually do it - and so the rumors about you having AIDS spreads. We say "hey, that was a dopey move" and you say "well that's how women are!! it's not about filtering! It's about their nature!! *vomit*
Better to be seen as having a screw loose than to be lost in la-la land....At some point people are going to think you have a screw loose. THEN you expect people to bow to your holistic viewpoint of women? No.
Kind of funny for you to say that, given that the other side is the one with reading comprehension issues. I mean, seriously....when someone posts about "abstaining" to prove a point, if you cannot directly interpret that to mean "pu$$y strike", you have to be listening to a voice that's taking you in the wrong direction.No, it's not that are arguments are baseless, it's that YOU hear what you want to hear.
Good riddance.You're not in any position to be making demands. You're leaving after all. Where you're going you won't have to worry about my opinions anymore, will you? Thank God, right?
This is my last post on this thread. Take your ball and go home.
This is the correct answer, but extremely hard to do if you are operating from a "sex is a scarce resource" mindset. Once you get it into your head that sex is a readily available commodity, you can filter more appropriately and effectively.LeftyLoosey said:b) Recognize problematic women, ditch them, and continue hunting at the risk of not getting laid for extended periods of time.
It's as simple as that.
They say birds of a feather...STR8UP said:...your internet girlfriend (who wants to sleep with me....how do you feel about that?) trying to provoke me.