67 y/o man beats down attacker on bus

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i'm not saying at all that american history isnt centered around white men. as you said though, history is history. no matter how much the pc police may want to, they cant go through and color in all the textbook pictures of the white founding fathers and make em look black. but whatever, i just think that there's no reason why we cant say every month is AMERICAN history month? why does ANY ONE race need their own month? fair is fair. history is history. if black people want more holidays named after them, generate more great men and women who choose dates outside the month of february to do their good deeds. and yea, i know there's no good reasoning behind the other things. it just is. and we're all supposed to swallow it over and over and say "mmm" with a big smile on our faces. all i want is fairness. equality. as far as im concerned NO ONE is entitled to money from ANYONE based on race. give it to the ones most deserving, no matter what the race. i graduated hs with a perfect gpa at a 5A suburban accredited school and am paying out of my ass to go to a decent college. but im also a middle class white kid.
Black people don't celebrate black history month anymore than they celebrate groundhog day. I don't know why people make a big deal out of this. What actually happens during black history month anyway? Not a damn thing. The idea is stupid and patronizing and really more of a legacy from an older time. Now if black people were given the month off with pay for black history month, I'd say bring it on, :D but really, it's just a token gesture. I don't think it means much to anyone, black or white.


oh it's most definitely fear. trust me. getting legitimately called racist is to be a social pariah for a length of time. and true, the naacp WAS necessary when it was started. but black people have now officially had 150 years since slavery was abolished. ive never met anyone 150 years old. so none of the slaves or slaveowners are left. id say that we all start on a reasonably level playing field. look at the asian population. 65 years ago, we put them in internment camps. now, as a population, they have the highest rate of all racial groups of college educated individuals. coincidence? i dont think so. either way, the naacp has become an outdated, obsolete, unnecessary organization that reminds everyone about the differences between blacks and everyone else. not helpful.
Number one, it's not about slavery. Racism didn't end with slavery. For many black guys in this forum, this sh*t isn't ancient history. Many of our parents didn't have basic rights. Our grandparents who are still alive remember not even being allowed to vote. So it's not exactly some distant memory. Remember it's was only several decades ago that blacks got basic rights. So saying slavery ended 150 years ago is not relevant. Now I'm not here by any means saying all black problems are the fault of whites. But by no means did racism just disappear because slavery ended. Also, you mentioned Asians, it wasn't all Asians, it was just Japanese and I'm not even sure it was even ALL of them. And on top of that, let's not forget that the Japanese that were interned ended up getting reparations for it, something that never happened for black slaves, even though it was promised that the slaves would be granted land for payment. I agree that the NAACP is outmoded.


i dont think anyone tries to fit into the stereotypes just for the sake of doing it. lets take the "ghetto thug hardass" persona as an example. this stereotype is perpetuated because these people are shown to be successful over and over. they achieve material wealth and rap about that wealth, as well as the women, drugs, and good times that come with it. and as the saying goes, people follow the money (and pvssy).
Most these "thugs" rapping aren't even thugs. It's just an image. About as fake as Milli Vanilli. They talk about all this gangsta stuff they do, yet they live in the suburbs. You think these gangsta making all this money are really living in the projects. It's an image that sells, and they're cashing in on it. People like to hear it, black people and white people. Most rap is bought by whites in fact. And these rappers tour Europe, Japan and all these places and worshiped like gods. People think this image is the real thing, but it's all an act when it comes down to it. Someone like Snoop Dogg may have been in a gang when he was young, but dude is now more likely to be partying with the wealthy while maintaining the "gangsta" image just to have street cred.
 

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We don't even know how it started since the video starts in the middle of the argument, but even if the white guy started the argument, the black guy threw the first punch. Talk is one thing, but once you lay a hand on someone it's totally different.

He ****ed with the wrong guy and he got his ass beat, end of story. Hopefully this will put that idiot in his place.

PS, I didn't hear the white guy say anything racist but the fat ***** who recorded it was yelling out racial slurs ("say it again, pinky!" "beat his white ass!") and stole his bag at the end of the video. The only racism we see here is directed against the white guy.
 

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Epic Beard Man Interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9YqaLW2GQE (after the Vietnam war he was selling drugs and pimpin)
WTF?? He was drug dealing and pimping and went to prison?? Lol. White America should be careful about getting behind him. Sounds like he's something of a thug himself.

Also, for all the people bashing the black girl for supposedly stealing his bag, it turns out she was right. At 4:00 minutes in he admitted that he got his stuff back 3 hours after the incident.
 
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nambalance dude is lucky EBM didn't hallucinate him to be a vietkong or something.
 

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Also, for all the people bashing the black girl for supposedly stealing his bag, it turns out she was right. At 4:00 minutes in he admitted that he got his stuff back 3 hours after the incident.
You're really stretching now.

You can't POSSIBLY argue she had any intent other than to go through his bag for her own personal interest. The fact that his bag was returned proves NOTHING about gorilla woman's intent. You may as well argue that attempted robbery isn't a crime, since the victim retained his things, therefore the robber had no criminal intent.

And you still haven't explained what led you to believe the white guy started it, aside from the horribly biased account of some fat racist skank.
 

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You're really stretching now.

You can't POSSIBLY argue she had any intent other than to go through his bag for her own personal interest. The fact that his bag was returned proves NOTHING about gorilla woman's intent. You may as well argue that attempted robbery isn't a crime, since the victim retained his things, therefore the robber had no criminal intent.
I'm not stretching anything. If you look at the comments below the girl's statement, everyone in there keeps saying to return the bag to him and that she's lying when she says she doesn't have it. EBM said out of his own mouth he had his stuff back after the incident, which is exactly what the girl said, that she doesn't have his bag. So why do so many people keep saying she has his bag?

And you still haven't explained what led you to believe the white guy started it, aside from the horribly biased account of some fat racist skank.
I didn't say he started it. I'm saying that we don't know what happened prior to the film rolling. We know that EBM is a certified loon off his meds and other videos on youtube show him being tasered and arrested during a baseball game. Other anecdotal reports indicate he has a history of being a troublemaker and he admitted out of his own mouth he's been to jail, sold drugs and pimped. So all I'm saying is we don't know for sure what led up to the incident before the film started rolling and who really started it. We also know that EBM isn't the knight on a white horse people seem to think he is. Based on his own history of criminality, if he was black, people would be calling him just another thug. But since he's white, he gets all this sympathy.
 

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We also know that EBM isn't the knight on a white horse people seem to think he is. Based on his own history of criminality, if he was black, people would be calling him just another thug. But since he's white, he gets all this sympathy.
this. If you are picking sides based on race, you need to look at your own beliefs about race. I'm with the old guy because he was man enough to walk way, and the punk ass couldn't let it go and got what he deserved. But if the colors were reversed I'd feel the same way. It's not about race its about right and wrong.
 

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I already said that I supported the EBM and think the younger guy deserved it. What i'm saying though is that if you google for more info about the epic beard man, you'll find out that he is kind of a troublemaker. It's sounding to me like the black dude was minding his business, until EBM made the comment about shining his shoes and that started the whole thing. If he hadn't made that racist comment, none of this would've happened. Once again, I agree that the black dude should've left it alone when EBM went up to the front, but neither party was completely innocent. I know people want to see this as a case of some ghetto thug of a black dude that was just f*cking with a random white guy on the bus, but it's not appearing as though that was the case. When the police report is released with other passengers accounts of what happened leading into it, we'll have the evidence of who really started it. It's clear from the video that there was sh*t going on prior.
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I didn't say he started it. I'm saying that we don't know what happened prior to the film rolling. We know that EBM is a certified loon off his meds and other videos on youtube show him being tasered and arrested during a baseball game. Other anecdotal reports indicate he has a history of being a troublemaker and he admitted out of his own mouth he's been to jail, sold drugs and pimped. So all I'm saying is we don't know for sure what led up to the incident before the film started rolling and who really started it. We also know that EBM isn't the knight on a white horse people seem to think he is. Based on his own history of criminality, if he was black, people would be calling him just another thug. But since he's white, he gets all this sympathy.
:crazy:

Facts:

Black guy acted crazy in the video, started a fight
White guy amde ANTI RACIST comments as I posted in the transcript, and tried to diffuse the racial tension
White guy acted semi-crazy, but consciously tried to avoid physical conflict
Black guy attacked him

Your argument can be summed as such:

White guy was crazy at a baseball game on some other day
We don't know what happened prior to video
Since white guy is crazy at the baseball game, the bus incident is probably his fault

Are you fukn serious?


Stick to what we know. Maybe whitey was Hitler's son, who knows and who cares. What we know is what we see in the video, and you're finding ridiculous reasons to discredit it.
 

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people from the area are saying the black guy does shine shoes for a living.
 

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