35+ women really past their prime?

[ricorico]

I'm still in my 20's but seeing and hearing about "cougars" all the time. It seems to be a new phenomenon I can't understand. But I read guys on this forum quoting studies and saying older women are past their prime and not having as much fun as men their age. Is that true or is it what we want to believe?

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A 2003 study by AARP revealed that 34 percent of all women over 40 in the survey were dating younger men, and 35 percent preferred it to dating older men".


Then I read a magazine that says
Naomi Campbell 38 is dating Equity partner Marcus Elias who made $256 mil this year.

Salma Hayek 41 was engaged to baby daddy Francois Pilnault 46 whose family is worth 16.9 Billion

Elizabeth Hurley 43 married Arun Nayar 43 Indian Textile Heir

Uma Thurman 38 Engaged to financier Arki Busson worth $497 milliom

Then there is Camilla Parker Bowles who married Prince Charles.

Though those women may ne famous, those guys are all pretty decent looking, in great shape and very financially secure. They can date any young starlet or model out there. Why are they choosing these oldies???

 

[decades]

they are only past their prime if they aren't naked in your bed.

 

[Alexander the Great]

I'm still in my 20's but seeing and hearing about "cougars" all the time. It seems to be a new phenomenon I can't understand. But I read guys on this forum quoting studies and saying older women are past their prime and not having as much fun as men their age. Is that true or is it what we want to believe?

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A 2003 study by AARP revealed that 34 percent of all women over 40 in the survey were dating younger men, and 35 percent preferred it to dating older men".


Then I read a magazine that says
Naomi Campbell 38 is dating Equity partner Marcus Elias who made $256 mil this year.

Salma Hayek 41 was engaged to baby daddy Francois Pilnault 46 whose family is worth 16.9 Billion

Elizabeth Hurley 43 married Arun Nayar 43 Indian Textile Heir

Uma Thurman 38 Engaged to financier Arki Busson worth $497 milliom

Then there is Camilla Parker Bowles who married Prince Charles.

Though those women may ne famous, those guys are all pretty decent looking, in great shape and very financially secure. They can date any young starlet or model out there. Why are they choosing these oldies???

Maybe because these women are handsome to them? Maybe those women have a personality they click with? Maybe those women appeal to their frame? Maybe because those guys are looking for something more than a fling? Something more serious than young starlets are perhaps not looking for?

Magazines just post facts. You can only guess as to their motives. You are young, grasshopper. And not only by age. When you acquire a bit more of that, you will know and understand. that age is one thing and it's not everything.

And over 30 or 40 isn't old. But we'll not hold that against you...

What is actually the point of your posting?

 

[ricorico]

I posted because in the Thread "Men in midlife are happier than women" there are guys that are insisting women have an expiration date at 35 while men don't have one. But from what I've seen, I think it's just wishful thinking. I think both men and women if they keep fit and attractive have no "expiration date" when it comes to dating.

Though I wouldn't date an older woman, I personally know many guys who do. So I bring up this point because I think it's a myth older woman are miserable because no one wants them.

 

[Jeffst1980]

I would agree that the "sexual marketability" gap between the genders after a certain age is exaggerated.

Men tend to prefer younger women, and 35 is said to be the end of the healthy period for fertilization so theoretically, a woman over 35 is past her prime. However, I'm not interested in theory. In reality, women in their 30's and 40's still have a ton of options, especially the ones that stay fit.

That's why, after getting rejected by one of these women, lots of guys will experience a strong blow to their ego, mistakenly believing that this woman should've been so desperate to get married that she wouldn't give a whit about attraction. An older, attractive woman can still afford to be nearly as selective as a younger woman, even if the younger woman has to fend off significantly more dudes in any given day.

 

[ketostix]

From most objective and physiological measures, women over 35 are way past their prime. From subjective and sociological measures I can see that they're not so much. From my view any woman over 27 or so is past her prime. One thing I've been seeing is these younger guys in their 20's are attracted to these 30-something cougars, while older guys see these older woman for what they are-over the hill. And of course if a woman wants to be a cougar that's more acceptable than a man dating women 10 years or more younger even though there's no reason it should be more acceptable.

 

[edger]

Alexander, Rico, Jeffst..I've been saying the same on here for a long time, that a lot of women in their 30's, 40's and 50's are HOT(and have options). I see it all the time where I live. Playboy material. A hot woman will always have options, regardless of her age, as long as she stays hot. She might not have as many options as the hot younger chick when it comes to long-term relationships or marriage, but as far as sex alone goes, she will ALWAYS be "getting it".

These older b*tches are looking great. That's why you hear of all these celebrities paired up with women in their 40's. They are looking terribly fine. And to make myself clear, like I've said in the past before, I don't think 30's/40's/50's is "old". I just use the term "old" because that's the common term/label they've been slapped with.

 

[iqqi]

You guys are preaching to the choir.

Come to the next level.

 

[ketostix]

You guys are preaching to the choir.

Come to the next level.

You make no sense. What their saying isn't that commonly agreed with here. If they went to NLG they would be preaching to the choir moreso, dumb@ss :moon: .

 

[STR8UP]

I'm still in my 20's but seeing and hearing about "cougars" all the time. It seems to be a new phenomenon I can't understand. But I read guys on this forum quoting studies and saying older women are past their prime and not having as much fun as men their age. Is that true or is it what we want to believe?

Are you guys looking for permission to like older women?

Let me explain part of the reason behind this "new phenomenon".

Reason #1- The Feminist Movement.

Women have more leeway today than ever before. There is no longer a stigma attached to an older woman being with a younger man. As a matter of fact, it is quite possibly the ultimate expression of a womans right to do whatever the hell she damn well pleases. "You go girl!"

Reason #2- The AFC Movement

Women can't "force" younger men, but they can certainly shame them. Talk about a younger woman while you are in the company of mature women, and watch the claws come out. It is in their best interest to have you believe that they are still a viable option in the mating game. And apparently it's working, hence this new "phenomenon".

Incidentally, have you ever heard an older woman speak candidly of a younger lover?

I have.

She will usually refer to him by a pet name (think Sex and the City), and she will have a smug tone to her voice, almost as if she is speaking with contempt. She "won" the competition between her and the younger women the guy SHOULD be pursuing.

Though those women may ne famous, those guys are all pretty decent looking, in great shape and very financially secure. They can date any young starlet or model out there. Why are they choosing these oldies???

Another simple one.

You obviously aren't familiar with the term "mistress".

Rich and powerful man can have their cake and eat it too. I've seen it firsthand.

They have the workhorse at home holding down the fort, raising the legitimate children and making sure they have nice pretty furniture and sh!t. Then they rent an apartment and a BMW for the candy they have on the side. "Oh by the way honey, did I mention I will be out of town on business this weekend?"

No offense to the OP or anyone else for that matter, but this is elementary human nature. Been going on for 1000's of years, and it isn't going to end anytime soon.

 

[ketostix]

No offense to the OP or anyone else for that matter, but this is elementary human nature. Been going on for 1000's of years, and it isn't going to end anytime soon.

Great points Str8up and not only that for 1000's of years older men commonly married younger women (even as young as 14-16). It's like you said feminism and AFC movement is making many men go against their own nature.

 

[STR8UP]

She might not have as many options as the hot younger chick when it comes to long-term relationships or marriage, but as far as sex alone goes, she will ALWAYS be "getting it".

[sarcasm]Yea, and we ALL KNOW that most women are only looking for sex.... [/sarcasm]

You got it exactly right. They are good for a quick lay or a short term fling.

Any mid 30's man who is involved in a serious relationship with a woman late 30's and up has bought the lie hook, line, and sinker.

The only bonus is that if she looks good at 38, she will probably hold up pretty well for awhile. It's a little more difficult to tell with a woman in her 20's.

 

[edger]

Another simple one.

You obviously aren't familiar with the term "mistress".

Rich and powerful man can have their cake and eat it too. I've seen it firsthand.

They have the workhorse at home holding down the fort, raising the legitimate children and making sure they have nice pretty furniture and sh!t. Then they rent an apartment and a BMW for the candy they have on the side. "Oh by the way honey, did I mention I will be out of town on business this weekend?"

Yeah, but the point is, these men are still choosing to be with the older woman as well. If these celebs weren't attracted to these women in their 40's, they would've never gotten involved with/married them.

 

[bigjohnson]

Past their prime is too vague, you need to supply context. If she's hot, then she's good for fucking, but after a certain age I wouldn't consider them for anything past that. My current oldest plate is 18 years younger than me and that suits me just fine.

She also fits a 35B bra, weighs 92 pounds and has a waist as big as my thigh.

Cougars? You can have all mine boys.

 

[Jitterbug]

Celebrities aren't necessarily immune to AFCdom. They're plugged into the Matrix just like the rest.

Paul McCartney with his one-legged gold-digger, anyone? He isn't as badly done as your typical AFC because he's a rich bastard and can afford his bad choice of women.

 

[Deep Dish]

One thing which I've been curious about you guys: what's the age minimum for a cougar? 30? 35? What gives?

 

[Jeffst1980]

I think a "cougar," in the popular lexicon anyhow, tends to be in her late 30's or older--but the age isn't really as important as the fact that she is going after much younger men in their 20's.

Incidentally, I think the so-called cougar "craze" is mostly imagined, other than a few prominent celebrity couples. I think there is less stigma attached to it, but I really doubt that late 30's/40's women actually WANT to date guys 10-15 years younger than them. These women are in reality probably much more attracted to guys in their 40's than kids just out of college.

I've also only seen cougars hook up with younger men as a sort of joke, not because they're trying to get them in a relationship. I've NEVER heard a woman of that age group sincerely express desire for a much younger man for marriage, or even a long term relationship. Women just don't value the same things as men. Accordingly, chalking up an older woman's difficulty in getting younger men as due to her being "past her prime" is a moot point.

 

[Warrior74]

If I was some some super rich guy and had an afc crush on some super star chic, and I outearn/outrank her by miles of course I'd go for it. They may have had crushes on these women for years. You see salma didn't marry her baby daddy. but shes tapped into a fortune well beyond what she will ever earn. These guys are just wish fufilling. As for prince charles, thats the woman he loves, not the woman everyone wanted him to love. Can't hate on that.

 

[STR8UP]

Cougars? You can have all mine boys.

Mine too...hehe

 

[STR8UP]

One thing which I've been curious about you guys: what's the age minimum for a cougar? 30? 35? What gives?

Haha....the 32 yr old I went out with a few times recently said people had called her a cougar, although to the best of my knowledge she only dates older guys.

When I think of a cougar I think 40+, but I guess it's all relative.....