33Guy moving from ACF to DJ - Need Advice

torontoguy72

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Hi guys. I've been in a relationship for almost 2.5 years with a 30 year old 'hottie'. I'm 33.

We moved in pretty quick, about 2 months into the relationship - *Yes dumb & brave*. At first, I fell in love with her dynamic personality and humour, added to her sexy appeal (an 8).
I love her family, they're super.

Generally we both wanted the same things, and like NOW. I.e. cohabitation, kids, house. etc. etc.

We rented a house close to her Mom, and living together was bliss for the first 6 months, then it eroded into wicked fighting and volcanic eruptions on her part due to her lack of security with me financially (I'm pretty sure - as I started a new business at 6 months in), and her unrealistic 'white-picket fence' expectations not being met.

At the core, this one is attention hungry girl, a little embarrased at the fact that she wasted her time in her 20's being a hotty player, and is now dieing to get married (as all her friends are).
And, yes gents, her looks are fading - even over the last 2.5 years together.

Don't know what to say here guys. This is where it get's even more interesting & tough. She was sexually abused by a step-father when she was 12, this makes for some really hard-to-understand behavior, insecurities, and anger-flare ups.

On top of this, she has epilepsy. This means when she drinks too much, or forgets to take her pills - I get a fuill grand mall seizure every 6 months in front of me in the middle of a big city street. Her epilepsy may also be contributing to her volcanic anger.

The child-abuse thing is no big deal, and I'm OK with the epilepsy as long as she takes care of herself.

My issue is that after she moved out 8 months ago, we've still been seing each other regularly with the hopes of bringing things together. I.e. - she comes over almost every weekend.

I turned into an ACF and a ***** somewhere around the six month part. I've been fighting this by putting her in her place now and again (unconciously), and have seen some good results.

I have also found that when she doesn't get her way, she get's very manipulative and angry. NOTHING is her fault.

I came to senses after she moved out, and realized some things.

I think that she still has a deep-down hate for men due to the sexual abuse. She will also get angry when her needs aren't met and go into emotional eruptions that are very hurtful to me in terms of verbal/emotional abuse and put downs.

When I'm in control of us, things feel good for me. She also behaves.

This b*tch though, goes on tantrums that I can't understand.
I pretty sure she's a control freak.

Either way, I've been pulling back a little emotionally over the last 8 months due to her BS. When I pull back, I deny her attention, and generally treat her like **** when she is bad to me.

The resentment has been building pretty good over the
last two months though.

3 weekends ago she stayed over, we shagged lots, and we then fought the rest of the weekend. Then we sat by the beach and talked while we were drunk on sunday night. She was drunk, insulted me, I didn't fight back - but just got up and left.

She emails me back telling me that it's over, and I'm a bad guy for leaving a female on the beach at 11pm by herself.

I've tried to work through this in my head and my heart.

I feel like she's been using me like a ****ing hotel to get away from her Mom's ****ty apartment. Now that her brother moved in a month or so ago, she's always willing to get out of the house to hook up.

Over the last two weeks it's been hell. She returns the odd voicemail I've left screaming at me to leave her alone.

She finally responded to some nice email I wrote, and agreed to hook up for a 'closure' meeting.

I find out that she went on a blind date, and she tells me this with a little venom in her eye. 'That's good' I say, and keep real calm and cool. At this point I've also let her know I've been out socializing and met a ton of new friends.

I probe a little about this new blind date, and she admits she was not attracted, but he has 'other positive qualities' and she may take him up on a second date. I later find out from a common friend that she was devasted because she had built up a lot of hope on this date - and the guy was in her eyes, "butt reaming ugly".

Either way, I let her know that I have met two chicks (true), and that one was a write off because of her looks. I tell her the other was REALLY REALLY COOL, and I found her attractive. I dropped the hint that I might go camping this weekend with this new hotty, and that I think our old nieghbours are really into the idea of hooking us up (Pure BS on my part). This definitely pissed her off, and she indicated that she might be calling up the old neighbours real soon (hidden message = to sabotage this hookup). I look hurt, and uncomfortable, she laughs - and she agrees not to call them.

Other than that, we have a few drinks and a few laughs, I put her in a cab, and send her home.

As a DJ wanna be, I KNOW THAT I CAN'T CONTACT HER.

It's been a few days, and I'm wondering now whether to send her a nice email telling her thanks for the closure, and that I hit it off with this camping chick.

IF she contacts me, I know I gotta play her off, and work on my raising my Interest Level - if I have any chance. If there is a chance, then I have to totally take control of the relationship, and lay down law.

Give up, move on? Be a man, and take her by the horns? A lot invested.
 

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DUDE.............. Run away and run fast.

Thank the good lord you never married this psycho. And you would want her to be the mother of your kids?!?!?!?! I had a similar relationship about 3 years ago and it was that experience that set me on the road to becoming a DJ rather than an AFC.

Cut your losses and get out and learn this stuff so you have CHOICES with women. Once you get this stuff down you know to avoid women like that the instant you meet them and not waste 2.5 years on them.

Grow some balls and get some self esteme! I can say that because I was where you are now a few years ago and I know that's what you need to do.

Get on askmen.com and read ALL of Doc Love's articles if you really want to gain some clarity on what's been happening for the past 2.5 years.

BTW, I've never met a girl that suffered childhood abuse that was able to have a healthy relationship - EVER. And I've been with a few.......

gixx
 

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Don't toss good money after bad. You got a good few years together. But you are not going to do the white picket fence deal. Don't go down to her leavel. Have some sympathy for what child abuse and epilepsy do to someone, and hope that she meets someone else with those experiences that she can relate too.

"Butt reaming ugly". LOL. I wonder what she says about you behind your back?
 

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Read one of Ricky's post (he posted on the mature forum). Don't write any closure garbage, just move on. Also you said you have a lot invested, but you have no idea how much better off you are for not being with this chick. She's sounds like a psycho. Keep the break clean and don't look back. I guess that makes you an RAFC so now that you're back to the single's scene read up on the tips forum...
 

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HOLY F*CK!!!

Dude are you some kind of masochist?

Please go back and reread what you've posted and tell me that you can't resist giving yourself a slap in the head.

You've listed pretty much every RED FLAG a guy could possibly have with a woman.

Lets see:

Controlling
Manipulative
Emotionally unstable
Baggage from the past
Temper tantrums
She used to be a player
Her looks are fading fast
She's dying to get married before its too late. (What this means is she'll do or say everything you want until she gets her hooks in. At this point you don't even know who she "really" is.)
Insecure
Nothing is her fault
She's unhappy with your financial situation.
She's as you put it a B!TCH!!!

and I'm sure there's lots more.....

You should be thanking your lucky stars that things didn't get too far.

Don't be another failed marriage statistic!!

You can do much better! A world BETTER!!!

Consider yourself

SLAPPED!!!!
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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torontoguy72 ;

1.
its only you who can decide whether you and her belong together for the future

2.
you are not in a position now to take that decision


you are still 'smitten' with her and fancy the picket fence life playing 'family and house' with her

you are like the women who gets beaten by their boyfriends; they say; yes he beat me, but afterwards he was so nice and so apologetic

try this perspective: if you dump her, i'll give you 10-1 that if you want her back in 2 years time, she'll still be single and awailable

you simply need to meet other women; not as a bragging excuse to tell her about, but simply to meet other women

as Einstein said; everything is relative
so you need something to meassure her by

and to keeping yourself sane, I would just terminate your relationship ASAP without any explanations or whatever; just say; look I dont think we should be seeing eachother anymore. period - then get up and leave

good luck

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You guys are all ******** great.

Thanks for all the input.

It's tough when you find out your living with and dating
a combination of 'Terri Shibo' and Satan. Man, you care
with all your heart - but you gotta get yours filled too.

I got one new on the line (a 5), hink-line-and sinker.

She's keeps calling, but I've sized her up as a someone
just to go get drunk with, and shag. I wouldn't want
her to meet my family if you know what I'm saying.

I keep thinking about the camping broad though.

They leave tommorow. Maybe I should jump on in
there and try to go camping that group of friends,
and work her a while.

Cheers.
 

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definately swerve the ex, it sounds like its just dragging, and dragging.....

Just be strong, move on and don't let her get in side your head any more.
 

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Dude like gixxer I was also in a relationship very similar to yours which put me on the path to shedding my AFC ways. I really can't add anymore than say that I agree with what the others have already told you. Right now I would just go after the drunken shag. If you are like I was you would not be ready for another emotional relationship at this time. It will come but give it time. Just be thankful you escaped from this one with your sanity. You will be very thankful you are rid of her one day.
 

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This guy is like a brother to me. I have been in these situations all too many times recently.

There are a few reasons why it happens

1) Some of us guys are the type that always likes to have a woman around. Think this behavior gets worse for guys like us in our 30's.

2) We don't screen the girls we date enough. We give them more credit than they deserve

3) WE DON"T LIKE TO LOSE. We want to end things on our terms and our terms only with these woman.
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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can we say "fatal attraction?"

been there, done that, so get out before someone gets hurt.

heed advice from previous postings
 

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Simple suggestion-Look up on google or whatever these terms-

Borderline Personality Disorder

Historonic Personality Disorder

Narcasistic Personality Disorder
 

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Deciding to take some time out of relationships right now,
but that doesn't mean dating.

Marcopolo really helped me out. My girl did go see a
cousellor for the first time for a brief bout of depression.

I remember her mentioning that the counsellor said she might be a candidate for Borderline Personality Disorder.

I dismissed it back then, but after doing some research
today - and comparing those three disorders it
has to be Borderline Personality Disorder.

ALL OF MY SPIDEY-SENSES ARE TELLING ME THIS NOW.

It feels like a relief - as I've found one site that
helps spouses to understand it better.

Here it is for someone else.

http://www.bpdcentral.com/resources/abuse/manipulation.shtml

On with picking up the pieces of life, and being a better DJ!
 

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Sorry to hear your story my friend. You jumped right into moving in part, as you pointed out. It looks like you still pining a little bit towards this girl and I can't blame you for that; it's nice to have someone.


She obviously has some psychological issues. Let the b1tch loose and move on. As Gixxer said, be grateful that you didn't marry this broad or it would have been a very painful life for you unless you want to be a doormat or a candidate for martyrdom.
 

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No problem, just trying to help. I know this because just over a year ago I was in the same spot you were-leaving a psycho relationship. She had also been suggested by her therapist that she had borderline personality disorder, and when we broke up I looked it up to find out what it was and..bingo! Described her to a tee.
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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Guys thanks.

I have been reading like a madman about relationships today,
since the NO CONTACT I have followed since early last week.

As mentioned, I've also been out to hook up with of chicks during my despair. What else? I've been active, cycling, and partying it a little at the pubs, done fun things with friends.

Guess what? I learned a couple of things:

1) When meeting up/talking with the Ex, make sure to seem
happy, act like a 'Prize' bigger than them, and let them know you plan or are dating also.

2) Utilize the NO CONTACT rule. Follow it even if every
weak AFC bone in your body screams at you to write
an email, or call her.

Mine just called a little while ago, and I didn't answer.

Oh, the sweetness of it all......
 

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Good job, guy. Now just don't get ****y! You might feel good right now, but your inner wuss can rear it's ugly head at anytime and you're off to AFC land!

Stay focused, concdentrate on your needs and on being selfish, NO CONTACT, and remeber this WILL pass.....

gixx
 

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BPD is a nightmare. That was my mom. Please do your future kids a favor and stay far, far away. These kind of women need to be spayed.
 
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